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Turkey shoots down "Russian Jet" near border

You obviously fear classic warfare. cause you will have never a chance. Coward nuke threat

It would be attack on command and control via hypersonic weapons and strategic aviation .Followed by mass bombardment after the first phase is accomplished. The first phase has potential for use of low yield nuclear weapons targetting underground command and control facilities,airfields, Logistical centers,munition depots .Then the standard ops can be following after the first phase is accomplished.
 
In long term they will try to revenge military. Now they will support terror organizations against Turkey.
I do not think Russia will support Terror against Turkey, I think it is better to go to fight with ISIS, and Russia and Turkey's problem should be solved later. as now this most important is ISIS
 
It is clear with the S-300 movements appearing in the news that Putin had planned something like this to happen.

This gives about a weeks time for Russian forces to easily redeploy with minimal worldwide objections since Russia now has a clear aegis of "we need air defense in the border area for our combat planes" to use.

Its a drop in a bucket (the Su-24 on the sacrificial altar) for a much larger vat of strategic buffer for the Russians to bring under their overall objectives.

Turkey will soon be unable to penetrate or even approach Syrian airspace.

They can escalate by deploying wild weasels, but seeing how this latest effort of theirs has failed to arouse NATOs sympathies on any major level (and if it was some attempt to invoke article V of the charter as some are speculating, it has spectacularly backfired I would say).....I doubt the Turks would do that.

Basically in the name of "honour", they have closed off many options available to them. But then again some Turkish member said honour matters above all else, so there you have it.

Russians on the other hand are long term veterans in these sort of tactics....and they have the resources (long and short term) to do so. Just sit back and watch as the Russians now shore up their presence in the Syrian border areas and probably launch a massive combined offensive up to the Turkish border (to wipe out all Turkish backed proxies)....under the protection afforded to them by S-300 and ship based anti-air.....while Turkey watches on helplessly.

Russians are too smart to retaliate against Turkey itself. They will however put whatever sanctions they can on Turkey and take firm action against pro-Turkey groups in Syria....and probably back the Kurds (Both PKK and Peshmerga) heavily.

Lets wait and see.

What an extremely well thought out reply. Better than I could say it.

"Russians on the other hand are long term veterans in these sort of tactics"

This is what people dont understand. Look at the turks here, they are super excited over something they dont even understand the long term consequences of like its their first rodeo.

We on the other hand have been playing these games for decades.
 
We have closed down air space through our guided missile cruiser with orders to shoot without warning.

We closed airspace long before and warned all of new ROE, now we reacted as you know.
I am waiting to see that Moskva shots down an allied Force Plane,
from USA, JORDAN, France, GB oh man keep factual
 
We have closed down air space through our guided missile cruiser with orders to shoot without warning.

Now we will completely eliminate the Turkmen militia. Then the moderate/extreme rebels like FSA, ISIS, XYZ.
I agree, Turkey and Russia's problem can be sloved later, Terrorist should be first, then Russia can win this war.
Chinese support Russia.
 
It would be attack on command and control via hypersonic weapons and strategic aviation .Followed by mass bombardment after the first phase is accomplished. The first phase has potential for use of low yield nuclear weapons targetting underground command and control facilities,airfields, Logistical centers,munition depots .Then the standard ops can be following after the first phase is accomplished.

Nothing of that sort is going to happen...unless Russian mainland is critically threatened.

Though logically...Turkey can expect some consequences. It just painted itself a bullseye.
 
I guess the ISIS are celebrating over this event under basement now```the world is coming close to a hope of forming an alliance to eradicate ISIS terror```and now that hope diminishes after the stupidity of Erdogan```

escorting Su-24 out of Turkey's aerospace is 100 times smarter than shooting them down! It is very much contemplated

so now who are still believing Turkey is not a terror supporter? Financially, politically, culturally, they are the official sponsors of terrorists
you forget Erdogan is a religious fanatic? his daughter is bigbfan of ISIL. they only remember ISIL is sunni, while forget their brutal killing. when you take devil as brother, you are fcked up.
 
I agree, Turkey and Russia's problem can be sloved later, Terrorist should be first, then Russia can win this war.
Chinese support Russia.

Jason, Russia doesn't fight IS. Look in my former post. I published a map which targets they bomb. They want to keep ASAD the mass murder as Head of Government and build military bases in Syria , navy , airforce and land forces as a revenge of NATOs enlargement
 
1. Firstly Turkey is with in their rights to protect their Airspace but there is a peaceful manner to
work with countries to reduce error

2. Seems like great Error , human error in communication between Turkey and Russia should not happen did the pilots understand each other's message in air for warning etc (Same language). Russians and Turkish pilots do not speak each other's language

3. Mr Putin had instructed the Russian crew to work closely with regional players , and Turkey should have
also taken a step back and tried to work it out


Again quite tragic as both nations are quite peaceful nations in last 20-25 years. Russia and Turkey have never threatened each other before that I recall as incident as this before

I am quite saddened by these events and loss of life


I sincerely hope that thru dialog and discussion the military heads of both nation can sit down to investigate the tragic events in Air space intrusion and understand how these accidents can be limited in future


When flying a plane at Mach 2 , it is so easy to cross the international border or territory as you don't see big line on ground that says you are now in Turkey or you left Syria
 
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