Turkey says civilians wounded in Syrian missile raids

[magra]

Lol You really think Russia entered Syria because of ISIS? you couldn't be more wrong . Russia entered Syria to protect it's interests and by default Assad, military base with it's only access to the meditarranean sea and continued influence on the only middle Eastern country where they still have control and influence over. It had absolutely NOTHING to do with ISIS, in fact Russia's biggest target from day one in Syria has been FSA not ISIS, since they were and are the biggest threat to Assad regime. ISIS was just a convenient excuse many foreign powers used to get into Syria.

Ofcourse Russia had its own self-interest to back Assad regime. But without Russian support, it would have been even harder to defeat ISIS in Syria.

 

[ARMalik]

Syria DOES NOT have the capability to take on Turkey - it is weak. So this news is more propaganda and hot air rather than anything significant.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Syria DOES NOT have the capability to take on Turkey - it is weak. So this news is more propaganda and hot air rather than anything significant.

So was China when Japan invaded China and occupied most of it. If there is foreign arms support to drive out Turkey from Syria it can be done. Afghans drove out Soviets from Afghanistan in the 1980s despite fewer soldiers and worse military equipment. If thousands of Turkish soldiers die in Syria the Turkish public would not have it anymore.

 

[That Guy]

Before 2011 those Syrians lived under the protection of the Syrian government.

And what is the Turkish military doing in those Syrian cities ? Will the Erdogan now shoot a film about Syria that is similar to the American film American Sniper which was about Iraq ?



And those things were absent before 2011 ?



Those times are gone. But are you supporting the Ottoman-renaissance dream of Erdogan ?

If I were to follow your logic I would speak for Britain to rule South Asia and other places because before decades ago Britain was the ruler there.



As far as I remember the Russians provided photos of ISIS trucks supplying oil to the Turkish government.

Photos and videos.

Those were pictures and videos of trucks from the KRG, not ISIS. Russia has never provided any evidence of Turkey buying ISIS oil, they've only made accusations.

So who did buy their oil when ISIS had only One source of income for recruitting fighters from both EU and Central Asian countries? You must be talking about Martians eh?
Moreover USA allowed Turkish mafia to sell these stolen oil underpriced in the European Market in order to indirectly hurt oil selling opponents whom were already sanctioned, Russia Iran Venezuela to name a few. Turkey had become a Bridge between Syrian oil and Eastern EU customers. Not to forget, one of the primary reasons of destroying Syria by western powers was geopolitics of energy routes. If Syria fell then USA could easily remove Russians from European gas markets.

Smugglers, Assad, other militant groups, multinational corporations...etc.

There has never been evidence of Turkey buying ISIS oil, and the first mention of it came from the Russians after Turkey shot down a russian jet.

 

[That Guy]

Regardless, it would be detrimental to the reputation of Turkey, if it ever were the case that it bought stolen Syrian Oil from terrorists.

As for the Russian propaganda, well video evidence showing the locations, times, routes and final destination, make a compelling argument, which is very hard to refute.

I hope for Turkey's sake, that it is not dealing dirty. Because if it is found to do so, the consequences would be disastrous for Turkey.

The so called video evidence only showed piles of trucks along the Turkish-Syrian border. The Russians provided no evidence that those were ISIS trucks, and the fact they released their so called evidence after their jet was shot down by turkey only makes their claim more suspicious.

Besides, the KRG already has said they were the ones who were selling the oil to Turkey, which makes absolute sense, as the KRG and Turkey have an existing oil deal.

 

[Nasr]

The so called video evidence only showed piles of trucks along the Turkish-Syrian border. The Russians provided no evidence that those were ISIS trucks, and the fact they released their so called evidence after their jet was shot down by turkey only makes their claim more suspicious.

Besides, the KRG already has said they were the ones who were selling the oil to Turkey, which makes absolute sense, as the KRG and Turkey have an existing oil deal.

Let's see .... ISIS or HTS/Nusra controlled the northern territory of Syria, bordering with Turkey. And the video evidence proofs the trucks entering Turkish territory. Kurds couldn't possibly be trading with Turkey, as it would mean Turkey is paying the single entity that claims southern part of Turkey as its own. Syrians wouldn't be doing it since Turkey opposes the Syrian Government. If it were the americans, british or french, then Turkey is complicit in the stealing of Syrian Oil.

So where does that leave you, huh?

 

[500]

Russia destroyed houses of millions of women and children.

Iran expelled millions of women and children from homes to tents.

Russia bombs fuel markets so people who live in tents could not warm themselves and freeze to death.

Khamenei and Putin are two leaches who cant survive without daily doze of child blood.

 

[Neurath]

Khamenei and Putin are two leaches who cant survive without daily doze of child blood.

So can't Israel.

 

[gangsta_rap]

We humans don't decide who is Muslim and who isn't.

especially paakis. paakis have no right to have any say in this at all.

 

[aziqbal]

99% of the deaths are due to disease. Only 1% of that is due to bullets and bombs. When war happens, infrastructure is the first casualty. Without clean water, disease is rampant. As for the total number of deaths, it's probably in the ball park of 100,000 to 200,000. 500,000 seems to be an over estimation. In any event. Syria was over populated before the war and is still over populated. In fact, there's probably more people in Syria now compared to 2011. Keep in mind Syria's population was 4 million in the 1960s and by 2010 it had swelled to 20 million. If war wasn't going to happen I don't know what was. Unless Syria can keep its population controlled to a healthy number, war simply won't end. There isn't enough resources in Syria to feed 20 million people.

I did not ask for your opinion go read some fanboy magazines

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

I did not ask for your opinion go read some fanboy magazines

And you have no evidence 500,000 Syrians died. It's more like 10,000 roughly.

Khamenei and Putin are two leaches who cant survive without daily doze of child blood.

dose*

 

[aziqbal]

And you have no evidence 500,000 Syrians died. It's more like 10,000 roughly.


dose*

Yes for Nanjing massacre maybe only 1,000

 

[That Guy]

Let's see .... ISIS or HTS/Nusra controlled the northern territory of Syria, bordering with Turkey. And the video evidence proofs the trucks entering Turkish territory. Kurds couldn't possibly be trading with Turkey, as it would mean Turkey is paying the single entity that claims southern part of Turkey as its own. Syrians wouldn't be doing it since Turkey opposes the Syrian Government. If it were the americans, british or french, then Turkey is complicit in the stealing of Syrian Oil.

So where does that leave you, huh?

It leaves me with the fact that I now know you don't have all your facts right.

FIRST, the KRG does not claim any part of Turkey, and has actually actively supported Turkey's operations against the PKK. The KRG has come out and said it was the one selling oil to Turkey, not ISIS.

Turkish-KRG relations are actually really good.

Kurds Deny Russian 'Proof' of Turkish IS Oil Smuggling; Turkey Alleges Russian Links to IS Oil

Joining the war of words escalating between Turkey and Russia, the Iraqi Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) deny that the satellite images Russian defense officials displayed at a briefing in Moscow last week showed Islamic State (IS) militants selling oil to Turkey.

www.occrp.org

Exclusive: Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan ink landmark energy contracts

Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan signed a multi-billion-dollar energy package this week that will help transform the semi-autonomous region into an oil and gas powerhouse but infuriate the central government in Baghdad.

www.reuters.com

Kurdistan Region–Turkey relations - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Why the Turkey-KRG alliance works, for now | Brookings

Despite issues in the past between Turkey and the Kurds, there has been shared efforts between both parties to band against the increased Iran influence in Iraq.

www.brookings.edu

Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan agree on ‘50-year energy accord’ - Latest News

KRG Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani says Turkey and his administration have signed a 50-year deal to export Kurdish oil, but the accord does not mean the divison of the country

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Turkish Army’s Special Forces to train Peshmerga - World News

The Special Forces of Turkish army are set to launch a training program for the Peshmerga forces of KRG

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Turkey and the KRG: An Undeclared Economic Commonwealth

For the long-term benefit of both, Ankara and Erbil share a strong interest in maintaining their partnership.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

The Iraqi Kurds are not the same as Syrian Kurds, and Turkish Kurds, and in fact all three have their own different cultures and vested interests. In fact, the KRG and the PKK almost went to war last December.

SECOND, ISIS and HTS/NUSRA are not the same organization, and actually actively oppose one another. On top of that, they both only controlled small parts of the northern border, and were never in control of the main crossings between Turkey and Syria. Turkey cleared out a bunch of these groups when it launched an offensive in Syria, in an effort to create a safe buffer zone between Turkey and Syria.

The rest of your comment makes little sense, and I frankly have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[Nasr]

It leaves me with the fact that I now know you don't have all your facts right.

FIRST, the KRG does not claim any part of Turkey, and has actually actively supported Turkey's operations against the PKK. The KRG has come out and said it was the one selling oil to Turkey, not ISIS.

Turkish-KRG relations are actually really good.

Kurds Deny Russian 'Proof' of Turkish IS Oil Smuggling; Turkey Alleges Russian Links to IS Oil

Joining the war of words escalating between Turkey and Russia, the Iraqi Kurdish Regional Government (KRG) deny that the satellite images Russian defense officials displayed at a briefing in Moscow last week showed Islamic State (IS) militants selling oil to Turkey.

www.occrp.org

Exclusive: Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan ink landmark energy contracts

Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan signed a multi-billion-dollar energy package this week that will help transform the semi-autonomous region into an oil and gas powerhouse but infuriate the central government in Baghdad.

www.reuters.com

Kurdistan Region–Turkey relations - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Why the Turkey-KRG alliance works, for now | Brookings

Despite issues in the past between Turkey and the Kurds, there has been shared efforts between both parties to band against the increased Iran influence in Iraq.

www.brookings.edu

Turkey, Iraqi Kurdistan agree on ‘50-year energy accord’ - Latest News

KRG Prime Minister Nechirvan Barzani says Turkey and his administration have signed a 50-year deal to export Kurdish oil, but the accord does not mean the divison of the country

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Turkish Army’s Special Forces to train Peshmerga - World News

The Special Forces of Turkish army are set to launch a training program for the Peshmerga forces of KRG

www.hurriyetdailynews.com

Turkey and the KRG: An Undeclared Economic Commonwealth

For the long-term benefit of both, Ankara and Erbil share a strong interest in maintaining their partnership.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

The Iraqi Kurds are not the same as Syrian Kurds, and Turkish Kurds, and in fact all three have their own different cultures and vested interests. In fact, the KRG and the PKK almost went to war last December.

SECOND, ISIS and HTS/NUSRA are not the same organization, and actually actively oppose one another. On top of that, they both only controlled small parts of the northern border, and were never in control of the main crossings between Turkey and Syria. Turkey cleared out a bunch of these groups when it launched an offensive in Syria, in an effort to create a safe buffer zone between Turkey and Syria.

The rest of your comment makes little sense, and I frankly have no clue what you're talking about.

Well you have my work for me, thank you. Because if by what you claim and have shown evidence of Kurds having with Turkey a truce for 50 years and an alliance. Then Turkey has violated International Law, invaded a sovereign state and illegally occupies the Northern Syrian territory. And if you give the excuse that it is to fight against Assad Government, then Turkey is no different than america, britain or france that have invaded other countries as imperialist oppressors, meddling in other countries' domestic affairs and killing innocent people.

Making any distinction between ISIS, Nusra or HTS, is irrelevant, since all terrorist groups involved, have taken aid, assistance, direction from the Zionist-West. Whether it be directly through zionist Slave-States of america, britain and france, or through subsidiary zionist Slave-States of Najdi-Sauds, Najdi-Emiratis, Najdi-Qataris or Najdi-Bahrainis.

Those Muslim leaderships who are in alliance with the Judeo-Christian, oppressors, NATO ... are not part of Islam, rather are traitors to Islam. Also, by recognizing and/or collaborating with the illegal state of israel, leaderships of Najdis (saud, qatar, emiraat, bahrain) Turkey, Central Asian Republics (including Azerbaijan), Egypt and Morocco have proven they (leaderships of mentioned states) are all traitors to Islam.

You can argue all you want till the cows come home, the Noble Qur'an and Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam do NOT spare you an inch, when it comes to who the traitors are to Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah.

And in case you have have forgotten, the ottoman turks, najdis or anyone is not Al-Akbar, only Allah is Al-Akbar.

 

[That Guy]

Well you have my work for me, thank you. Because if by what you claim and have shown evidence of Kurds having with Turkey a truce for 50 years and an alliance. Then Turkey has violated International Law, invaded a sovereign state and illegally occupies the Northern Syrian territory. And if you give the excuse that it is to fight against Assad Government, then Turkey is no different than america, britain or france that have invaded other countries as imperialist oppressors, meddling in other countries' domestic affairs and killing innocent people.

Making any distinction between ISIS, Nusra or HTS, is irrelevant, since all terrorist groups involved, have taken aid, assistance, direction from the Zionist-West. Whether it be directly through zionist Slave-States of america, britain and france, or through subsidiary zionist Slave-States of Najdi-Sauds, Najdi-Emiratis, Najdi-Qataris or Najdi-Bahrainis.

Those Muslim leaderships who are in alliance with the Judeo-Christian, oppressors, NATO ... are not part of Islam, rather are traitors to Islam. Also, by recognizing and/or collaborating with the illegal state of israel, leaderships of Najdis (saud, qatar, emiraat, bahrain) Turkey, Central Asian Republics (including Azerbaijan), Egypt and Morocco have proven they (leaderships of mentioned states) are all traitors to Islam.

You can argue all you want till the cows come home, the Noble Qur'an and Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam do NOT spare you an inch, when it comes to who the traitors are to Allah Subhanahu Wata'aalah.

And in case you have have forgotten, the ottoman turks, najdis or anyone is not Al-Akbar, only Allah is Al-Akbar.

Wow, the sheer mental gymnastics of this post. Not only are you basically ignoring the fact that I eviscerated your argument, you're now moving the goal post.

Some advice for you, if you want to be taken seriously and have a proper discussion, argue in good faith. Right now, all you're doing is presenting bad faith arguments.