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Turkey’s Syrian debacle

As this piece was being written, the U.N. Security Council had not yet heard Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu’s appeal in New York yesterday for a U.N. sanctioned safe zone to be established in Syria to protect refugees. Those close to the matter, however, felt his appeal would get nowhere, since Russia and China oppose the idea, which they consider a violation of Syrian sovereignty.

The impression one gets is that other members of the Security Council who have sided with Turkey on Syria are also hiding behind the Russian and Chinese objection, since they do not appear to be prepared to enforce such a safe zone militarily, as it no doubt will have to be. This leaves many looking to Ankara to act, but this is a hollow expectation since Turkey is not capable of doing it on its own for a host of objective reasons.

Mr. Davutoğlu’s appeal yesterday can also be looked on as a desperate one since the number of Syrian refugees will most likely be over the 100,000 predicted as a “worst-case scenario.” Ankara has said that is the limit for it, but it is hard to see what can be done if desperate people continue to arrive with their families.

In the meantime, unease is increasing in Turkey, and particularly in Hatay province, where people are unhappy not just about the number of refugees, but also over the question of whether PKK elements, or “Jihadist militants,” are also coming into Turkey in the guise of refugees, as many media reports suggest they are.

Locals in daily contact with the Syrians also complain increasingly about unruly behavior. For example, there are reports about Syrians eating at restaurants and buying from shops and leaving without paying, telling the proprietors “to send the bill to [Prime Minister Recep Tayyip] Erdoğan.”

What compounds the dilemma for Erdoğan and Davutoğlu is that they are faced with responsibilities now that will also turn international attention on Turkey. First there is the welfare of the refugees, especially given the fact the both Erdoğan and Davutoğlu have consistently said those fleeing Bashar al-Assad can come to Turkey.

But this will require well-guarded camps that are kitted to meet the requirements of thousands of families in terms not just of housing and medical facilities, but also in terms of all the necessities of life for a minimum humane existence. Recent rioting in one of the camps suggests that Turkey is not fully prepared for all this.

Then there is the security issue that cuts both ways, meaning that Turkey not only has to ensure the security of people in the camps, but also its own security, given the fact that it is not clear exactly who is coming across the border, or who has come from other parts of the world in order to use Turkey as a staging ground for the “Jihad against Assad.”

There are many indications that Hatay province has in fact become something of a gathering spot not just for radical Islamic fighters, but also for the secret services of all those countries in the West, and Israel of course, that are concerned about Islamic terrorism. These are not things the Turkish public is prepared to stomach.

The upshot is that Turkey faces a potential debacle such as it has not had before due to Syria. The question is how much of this is the result of the government’s hasty and overambitious Syrian policy, and how much of it is the product of an inevitable chain of events.

Clearly, Turkey would have faced a refugee crisis anyway, as it did after the first Gulf War for example, but critics feel that it should not only have moved more realistically from the start and allowed international agencies in much earlier, but also that it should have had a more regional approach which did not alienate Iran and Iraq and millions of Shiites in the Middle East.

Not having done that, Turkey is forced now to issue futile appeals as the refugee problem grows and the Syrian crisis deepens along sectarian lines. In other words, the government is facing a crisis for which it has no answers, and a public at home that is growing increasingly uneasy over this. If this is not a debacle, then what is?


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Looks like lesson for Turkey coming sooner than expected. Will Turkey learn, that is anyone guess.
 
Public problems? There is no problems but there is prococators trying to make problems. You bangledesh people go help beter arakan muslims. Maybe one day arakan muslims wil help you! We dont say to neighbour our country is full.
 
Turkey troops killed in Kurdish rebel clashes in Sirnak

Nine members of Turkey's security forces have been killed in clashes with Kurdish rebels in the south-eastern province of Sirnak, officials say.

Around 20 militants were also killed, close to the border with Syria and Iraq, governor Vahdettin Ozkan said.

The fighting broke out late on Sunday evening and was continuing, he said.

Clashes between the army and the rebel PKK - which seeks autonomy for the Kurds - have intensified in the region in the past year.

The PKK attacked a police and military complex in the town of Beytussebap late on Sunday night with guns and rocket-launchers, Turkish media reported.

Eight security officers were wounded, the governor said.

Both the US and EU classify the PKK (Kurdistan Workers Party) as a terrorist organisation. It began a guerrilla campaign for an ethnic homeland in the Kurdish heartland of south-eastern Turkey in 1984.

Fighting has increased in recent months, blamed partly on the turmoil in neighbouring Syria.

Ankara accuses Syria of allowing the PKK to operate on its territory although government forces have ceded control of some Kurdish areas of northern Syria to the opposition.

A month ago, rebels fired rocket launchers on a Turkish army border post in the middle of a large-scale military offensive in Hakkari province.

More recently, the PKK was blamed for a bombing in the south-eastern city of Gaziantep which left nine people dead, including four children. The PKK denied any involvement.

BBC News - Turkey troops killed in Kurdish rebel clashes in Sirnak
 
nothing has changed on the ground in syria.syrian government can not defeat FSA in any circumstances even by using heavy weapons such as planes,armoured vehicles-tanks etc etc.FSA is gathering its own weapon systems via saudi arabia and qatar,taking supports such as volunteer fighters from muslim geoghraphies.state is still loosing its legitimacy in side of syrians,this is the most important issue for baath regime even than russian support;they are aware of possible failure in the futureif loosing the credit in minds of syrian nation.sooner or later government will come loose and allies russia will be obliged to not to sport footpad syrian regime for reasons caused by international laws.in fact everything is certain,on the way and clear for the future.to illustrate even the persons taking part in next government have been aalready selected after fallen of assad regime .but they are not known by international community.
 
nothing has changed on the ground in syria.syrian government can not defeat FSA in any circumstances even by using heavy weapons such as planes,armoured vehicles-tanks etc etc.FSA is gathering its own weapon systems via saudi arabia and qatar,taking supports such as volunteer fighters from muslim geoghraphies.state is still loosing its legitimacy in side of syrians,this is the most important issue for baath regime even than russian support;they are aware of possible failure in the futureif loosing the credit in minds of syrian nation.sooner or later government will come loose and allies russia will be obliged to not to sport footpad syrian regime for reasons caused by international laws.in fact everything is certain,on the way and clear for the future.to illustrate even the persons taking part in next government have been aalready selected after fallen of assad regime .but they are not known by international community.
You have forget the disintegration of the army along the sectarian lines, syrian army is beeing transformed as an alawite and shia militia, and the sunni are joining en masse the FSA.
In recent weeks, the FSA have been able to strike airport and other strategic asset despite having basic weapons, thats possible coz the regime is lacking human ressources, he is over streched
 
Turkey's Anti-Assad Policy Ricochets Back
Public Opinion Shifts Against Ankara As Conflict in Syria Crosses Border

By JOE PARKINSON

ISTANBUL—The Turkish government, which is spearheading efforts to force Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power, is facing public skepticism over its Syria policy as the civil war next door increasingly spills across the border.

Developments in recent weeks have magnified Turks' unease over Syria's 18-month uprising.

More than 82,000 Syrians have now sought refuge in Turkey, at a cost of around $300 million to the Turkish government, Ankara said Tuesday, as Turkish border towns that relied on trade with Syria have seen economic activity wither and unemployment rise. Turkish television is showing footage of the country's nationals, which have been kidnapped in Syria and Lebanon by groups loyal to Damascus, targeting Turks seemingly due to Ankara's anti-Assad stance.

Above all, Turkey is facing its bloodiest summer since the early 1990s. The militant Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, which lawmakers and commentators say is emboldened by the Syria crisis, is stepping up attacks against security forces and civilians.

The result has been a blizzard of criticism from Turkey's media and opposition parties that has appeared to feed public unease that the government's hawkish policy—which includes hosting the opposition Syrian National Council, offering haven to the Free Syrian Army's leadership and reinforcing the border with tanks—could draw Turkey further into the sectarian conflict.

"The public now see the Syria issue and the PKK issue as one," said Atilla Yesilada, political analyst at Global Source Partners, an Istanbul-based research firm. "They believe the government's failure to oust Assad after hawkish promises has strengthened the PKK and made Turkey less secure. It's hurting the government's popularity as Syria seems headed for a crucial moment."

Opinion polls, which before the summer, showed solid public support for the government's Syria policy, have reversed course. One survey from pollster Andy-Ar Center for Social Research last week showed 67% of voters disapprove of Ankara's handling of the Syrian crisis. A separate July poll from the Institute of Strategic Thinking, an Ankara-based think tank, showed 49% of Turks oppose the government's policy, up from 32% in March.

The governing Justice and Development Party, or AKP, is still by far the most popular political party in Turkey, and there is no sign that it aims to change its policies on Syria.

Still, Turks have been spooked by unusually brazen shows of strength by the PKK, which has been fighting an insurgency for greater autonomy for almost three decades at the cost of more than 40,000 lives. The PKK, which Turkey, the U.S. and European Union deem a terrorist organization, has in recent weeks set up roadblocks and kidnapped Turkish officials.

Officials believe it to be behind recent deadly bomb attacks on the western coast of Turkey and in the city of Gaziantep, near the Syrian border. The PKK also recently fought a 10-day battle for a town, Semdinli, in the mountainous southeast before they were pushed out by Turkish military, and kidnapped two members of parliament, one of which they still hold.
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The government of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan says Damascus is behind the PKK's newfound confidence. It accuses Mr. Assad's government of arming the rebels and offering logistical support, as well as ceding control of parts of northeastern Syria to a PKK-linked group to prevent locals from joining the anti-Assad uprising.

In recent interviews, Mr. Assad has appeared eager to heighten domestic political divisions between Ankara and Turks who are skeptical over its policy. "The Turkish people are our friends and they will understand us," Mr. Assad told Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet in an interview in July. "It doesn't matter if the Turkish government considers Syria an enemy. If Turkish people should start harboring animosity, that would mean there is a problem."

As Turks debate their policies, the conflict appears to be intensifying in Syria.

The United Nations on Tuesday said that more than 100,000 Syrians fled in August, marking the highest monthly figure since the conflict began in March 2011. The pro-opposition Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that August was arguably Syria's most violent month, with more than 5,000 deaths.

Much of Turkish opposition lawmakers' and commentators' ire has focused on Turkey's high-profile Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, seen as the architect of Turkey's more expansive foreign policy. A year ago, Mr. Assad was Exhibit A in Mr. Davutoglu's "zero-problems-with-neighbors" foreign policy, which boosted relations with Muslim regimes, while downgrading ties with former ally Israel.

On Tuesday, Turkey's main opposition Republican People's Party said that it would seek a vote of no-confidence against him.

That hasn't slowed the government's efforts to drive out Mr. Assad. Last week in New York, Mr. Davutoglu again urged the U.N. to open a haven inside Syrian for displaced Syrians instead of letting them flood into Turkey.

But his calls have fallen on deaf ears. There is scant Western appetite for military action in Syria that such a haven would require and little prospect of a U.N. Security Council mandate for it, given Russian and Chinese opposition to any such a plan.

Turkish officials have rallied to defend their policy on Syria, stressing that the government couldn't stand by while a neighboring country plunged into conflict that threatens to destabilize the region.

"It's natural that this issue concerns Turkey very closely, not only as a foreign policy matter but also as a domestic policy issue…but our policy is right," said Naci Koru, Mr. Davutoglu's deputy in Istanbul, on Monday. "As Turkey, our aim is to have zero problems with our neighbors. We don't want to fight, we don't want war."

Analysts stress that the there is little chance that Mr. Davutoglu would lose his job given the AKP's popularity under Mr. Erdogan. But they also stress that growing unease at the government's hawkish Syria policy could spark internal debates among party leaders at a crucial phase of Syria's conflict.

"For the first time in years the AKP is coming face to face with a public challenge to its support," said Sinan Ulgen, a former Turkish diplomat now at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Brussels. "There is the perception now that their Syria policy is not in the national interest and has actually raised the security risk."

He added, "There will be a reassessment in the government—that's unavoidable. But I don't know if the government can backtrack—they're in too deep."
—Emre Peker in Istanbul contributed to this article.

Turkey's Stance on Syria Ricochets Back - WSJ.com
 
The opinion of Turkey against assad is dead with assad. There may a few people is pro assad, so this writer dont no what he is talking about Turkey.
 
Turkish people doesn't give a f.ck about Assad, they just want government to stay out of that mess, there are just some islamists obsessed with Syria mainly because of the same reason with other Arab nations, sect.
 
Turkish people doesn't give a f.ck about Assad, they just want government to stay out of that mess, there are just some islamists obsessed with Syria mainly because of the same reason with other Arab nations, sect.

I am really amazed that so many Turks literally don't give a f@ck that our neighbors are getting slaughtered by a complete freak. Have you guys ever heard of humanitarian intervention and the responsibility to protect the weak and those who are at risk of getting slaughtered?
 
If you seriously think its about humanitarian intervention then I have nothnig to say about your knowlodge of foreign policy.
 
If you seriously think its about humanitarian intervention then I have nothnig to say about your knowlodge of foreign policy.
I can assure you i have my share of knowledge about international politics and realism (political thought) which you try to advocate here. Yes every single country first and furthermost weights their gain and loss whenever they make a decision, in other words it is almost always about interests. But that is only one school in international politics. We are humans in the end, and we would not wish for our neighbors to get murdered. If your humanity allows you to close your eyes to these development it is about you and not me or others.

About Syria. What happens is evident, even if some news outlets try to illustrate in their own gain. Assad is waging war against his own people because they demand their democratic rights.

Responsibility to protect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This can illuminate some users
 
Whatever you think, Assad has a strong support from people, its the only way he could survive this longer , how could he resist an organization that supported by the crushing majority of the population and constantly being supported from foreign countries and terrorist organizations ?

Sorry but nobody cares about humanity in internal politics, its only being used to support claims of countries in their interests, Turkish people also thinks Syrians killing each other is none of our business.
 
Whatever you think, Assad has a strong support from people, its the only way he could survive this longer , how could he resist an organization that supported by the crushing majority of the population and constantly being supported from foreign countries and terrorist organizations ?

Sorry but nobody cares about humanity in internal politics, its only being used to support claims of countries in their interests, Turkish people also thinks Syrians killing each other is none of our business.

Speak for yourself then. I care about Syrians, and i am sure many share my concerns.
 
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