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Turkey is ready to study Russia’s proposal on the production of S-300VM anti-ballistic missile defense systems, Russia’s NTV channel reported with reference to diplomatic sources. This information came almost a year after Ankara cancelled a preliminary deal with China to purchase Chinese-made FD-2000 amid concerns from its NATO partners. Read full news at this linkhttp://www.armyrecognition.com/october_2016_globa…/index.php

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why go for 300 series since there is 400 which is more capable ..

Maybe Russia and Turkey are clearing the waters through minor deals at start
 
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Turkey is ready to study Russia’s proposal on the production of S-300VM anti-ballistic missile defense systems, Russia’s NTV channel reported with reference to diplomatic sources. This information came almost a year after Ankara cancelled a preliminary deal with China to purchase Chinese-made FD-2000 amid concerns from its NATO partners. Read full news at this linkhttp://www.armyrecognition.com/october_2016_globa…/index.php

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What is the difference between the S-300VM and the S-400?
I read somewhere that the the S-400 was offered.
 
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What is the difference between the S-300VM and the S-400?
I read somewhere that the the S-400 was offered.

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Genesis of the Antey S-300V/SA-12A/B Gladiator/Giant
While Antey's impressive S-300V family of SAM systems shares its earliest conceptual origins with the Almaz S-300P family, the two product lines diverged dramatically very early in their development histories. As a result, they share the same technology base but are essentially unique designs, optimised respectively for the needs of the prime customers, the V-PVO and PVO-SV.

While the PVO-SV shared some static and semi-mobile radar systems with the V-PVO during the early 1960s, the PVO-SV deployed its own unique inventory of fully mobile SAM systems, reflecting its role of providing air defence cover for highly mobile Soviet tank and motorised infantry divisions. By the end of the 1960s the PVO-SV had deployed a three tier system, with the cumbersome ramjet powered command link guided 2K11/3M8 Krug / 1S12 Long Track / 1S32 Pat Hand / SA-4 Ganef system providing long range area defence, the quite effective 2K12/3M9 Kub / 1S91 Straight Flush / SA-6 Gainful system providing medium range area defence and the 9K33 Osa / 9K33 Romb / SA-8 Gecko, 9K31 Strela 1 / SA-9 Gaskin, and ubiquitous ZSU-23-4P SPAAG providing low altitude point defence.

With the exception of the large 3M8/SA-4 Ganef this package was widely exported in the Arab world and Africa and whilst achieving some initial success against the Israelis in 1973 generally suffered greviously when applied against Western air power and electronic combat forces. By the early 1970s it was clear that a new generation of systems would be needed to challenge growing Western SEAD and EW capabilities. The S-300V system was to provide the top tier in the new air defence umbrella, directly replacing the 2K11/3M8 Krug / 1S12 Long Track / 1S32 Pat Hand / SA-4 Ganef system.

Unlike first generation PVO-SV 3M8/SA-4 Ganef the S-300V would have a much broader role, encompassing both long range / high altitude air defence but also defence against US tactical ballistic missiles, specifically the Lance and high performance Pershing I/II, the FB-111A's supersonic AGM-69A SRAM standoff missile, and the new US Air Force MGM-109 Ground Launched Cruise Missile - a trailer launched nuclear armed Tomahawk variant based in the UK and Western Europe. As a result the S-300V would have to provide exceptionally good detection and tracking performance against low radar cross section targets, at very high and very low altitudes, while retaining the very high offroad mobility so typical of established PVO-SV tracked area defence SAM systems, and possessing exceptional resistance to the much feared USAF EF-111A Raven tactical jammer force.

The S-300V was the result of these pressures - an expensive, complex but highly capable dual role SAM/ABM system which remains without equivalent to this day. It was to be an “Army level” or “Corp level” asset, protecting the centre of gravity of the Red Army's mechanised land forces against attack by nuclear and conventionally armed systems.

The S-300V was supplanted by the enhanced S-300VM during the 1990s, using the 9S15M2/MT2E/MV2E, 9S19ME, 9S32ME and 9S457ME components, and improved 9M82M and 9M83M missiles. This system has been marketed as the “Antey 2500”, intended to highlight its capability to engage 2,500 km range IRBMs with re-entry velocities around 4.5 km/sec. The 9M82M has double the range of the 9M82 against aerial targets, at 108 nautical miles, and increased terminal phase agility - a single shot kill probability of 98% is claimed against ballistic targets. The S-300VMK is a proposed wheeled configuration of the design, using a BAZ 69096 10 x 10 all terrain truck chassis.

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Provisional data - Russian sources.

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S-300VM Kinematic Envelopes (Antey)
@vostok @ptd3 can clarify more regarding S-300 variant .
 
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What is the difference between the S-300VM and the S-400?
I read somewhere that the the S-400 was offered.
Range! to begin with.
Plus there are some key differences in the sensor suite and also ECCM. All the data is available on public sites and a quick search will give you an idea. You can always share here if there are any confusions/doubts.
 
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Turkey is ready to study Russia’s proposal on the production of S-300VM anti-ballistic missile defense systems, Russia’s NTV channel reported with reference to diplomatic sources. This information came almost a year after Ankara cancelled a preliminary deal with China to purchase Chinese-made FD-2000 amid concerns from its NATO partners. Read full news at this linkhttp://www.armyrecognition.com/october_2016_globa…/index.php

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A lot has changed after the coup. 8 months back mascow was challenging turkey and now this. We r living in interesting time.
 
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S-300VM was offered by Russians before SU24 incident so that is quite old info here. Russians stop production line of S300 series already so now negotiations are only about long range capabilities, while S-300VM could capable of intercepting medium range threats.
 
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what do we want more if we can get s300 technology why not.. would also be a boost for our own program and it would fill the gap we have today..

also I do not trust those nato networks we should work on our own network wich is maybe similar but not acessable to nato.. and that should be priority..
 
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why go for 300 series since there is 400 which is more capable ..

Maybe Russia and Turkey are clearing the waters through minor deals at start

I don't think the study of S300 is a minor deal. If it is true.

I find it distasteful to make such comments, since i seriously doubt you can give a better offer to Turkey.
 
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According to @Nutuk the guidance systems are outdated and crap which makes it easy to jam. Sounds legit to be honest. Dude knows his stuff.
 
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The russians are not stupid, I think they will offer us something that is either - old and outdated of which they have something far more advanced. This will benefit them in 2 ways

- We buy something from them thus our own development will slow down and we will always be tied to foreign suppliers in air defence
- We will have something that doesnt pose a threat to them directly and even if we manage to get technology its old enough to not pose a risk for them.

If they offered s-400 that is something different.
 
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S300 is old system, while other countries are replacing patriot from meads. Turkey should go for Meads.
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If that's the case I think it'd make more sense studying Chinas offer, because as I see it, they've tried to incorporate the russian technology with the "western" technology.

Then again it might make good sense to study something that's original and not a "mutated" version.

I do prefer that we study PAC, but as long as the engines a problem we won't get much further than studying.
 
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