Turkey-Pakistan Relationship

[Subramanian]

all those guys u said have barring the bosniaks have mongol blood,not turkic blood.By Turk here we mean the Anatolian Turk,the present day Turkey.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

U r out of ur mind... minus hazaras none have mongol blood!we r talkin abt turkic people.. turkic blood! what do u know abt them ? dude ur a south indian-dravidian... i bet u dnt have th slightest clue abt anything ur talkin abt.

 

[Subramanian]

dude,me being a south indian has nothing to do with knowledge.We speak to each other in English,a language from a small island in northern europe.And dont throw aryan dravidian jargon jargon at me,baloch boy.

Anyway coming to topic,there is this thing called Pan-Turkism, where all the turkic language people together.It is a linguistic union and not an ethnic one.Basically it is true that lot of people mentioned here have central asian blood,but central asia extends from Mongolia to Turkey right across all the ex soviet republics.

I mean obviously all those people could share some blood but not so much blood,the idea here is when we say Turkey today we mean the Anatolian Turks who are more similar to Europeans like Greeks and Slav people rather than some guy in Peshawar/Balochistan.

And it has been proven that Mongols moved from East to West and they put their DNA all around where they went and it is common sense something which the above poster obviously lacks,that more their DNA ll be closer to Mongolia rather than some far off Krygystan.

The Hazaras may have more of Mongol blood and look more with east asian features.Look at the two pics below and say these guys have no mongol blood,their eyes make it obvious.

first is a punjabi muslim and someone whose family migrated from afghanistan to jalandhar and second is a punjabi pashtun from mainwali.

Do the math,sweetheart.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

dude,me being a south indian has nothing to do with knowledge.We speak to each other in English,a language from a small island in northern europe.And dont throw aryan dravidian jargon jargon at me,baloch boy.

Anyway coming to topic,there is this thing called Pan-Turkism, where all the turkic language people together.It is a linguistic union and not an ethnic one.Basically it is true that lot of people mentioned here have central asian blood,but central asia extends from Mongolia to Turkey right across all the ex soviet republics.

I mean obviously all those people could share some blood but not so much blood,the idea here is when we say Turkey today we mean the Anatolian Turks who are more similar to Europeans like Greeks and Slav people rather than some guy in Peshawar/Balochistan.

And it has been proven that Mongols moved from East to West and they put their DNA all around where they went and it is common sense something which the above poster obviously lacks,that more their DNA ll be closer to Mongolia rather than some far off Krygystan.

The Hazaras may have more of Mongol blood and look more with east asian features.Look at the two pics below and say these guys have no mongol blood,their eyes make it obvious.

first is a punjabi muslim and someone whose family migrated from afghanistan to jalandhar and second is a punjabi pashtun from mainwali.

Do the math,sweetheart.

None have mongol blood nor turkic blood but aryan or iranic blood.

 

[Subramanian]

Hahahaha,sure.

I am done.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hahahaha,sure.

I am done.

come up with facts man... its like sayin tht a fair complexion dravidian has european ancestory!

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hazaras have mongol blood bcoz they r the descendants of the mongol soldiers who invade afghanistan.

 

[Desert Fox]

dude,me being a south indian has nothing to do with knowledge.We speak to each other in English,a language from a small island in northern europe.And dont throw aryan dravidian jargon jargon at me,baloch boy.

Anyway coming to topic,there is this thing called Pan-Turkism, where all the turkic language people together.It is a linguistic union and not an ethnic one.Basically it is true that lot of people mentioned here have central asian blood,but central asia extends from Mongolia to Turkey right across all the ex soviet republics.

I mean obviously all those people could share some blood but not so much blood,the idea here is when we say Turkey today we mean the Anatolian Turks who are more similar to Europeans like Greeks and Slav people rather than some guy in Peshawar/Balochistan.

And it has been proven that Mongols moved from East to West and they put their DNA all around where they went and it is common sense something which the above poster obviously lacks,that more their DNA ll be closer to Mongolia rather than some far off Krygystan.

The Hazaras may have more of Mongol blood and look more with east asian features.Look at the two pics below and say these guys have no mongol blood,their eyes make it obvious.

first is a punjabi muslim and someone whose family migrated from afghanistan to jalandhar and second is a punjabi pashtun from mainwali.

Do the math,sweetheart.

you clearly have no clue about Pakistan's ethnic groups, its culture, and their origins. Last thing indians (and that too South indians) need to do is teach us Pakistanis the history of our own people.

 

[Subramanian]

Facts,what Facts.

It is as obvious as daylight man,it is only you who cant see it.Actually i have got a DNA analysis done and i have 40% R1A1 but obviously i dont care much about all that.

Those eyes are a strong example of mongol blood,nobody else has it.I can tell you,We Indians have no issues.We know we are mixed blood and we are cool.

It is you guys who build a national conciousness based on lies and try to deny the reality everytime u have to justify it.

What i showed is a fact of fact of fact,the factest fact around.

And get the DNA haplo group test done,u ll be amazed at where all u might have cousins.

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you clearly have no clue about Pakistan's ethnic groups, its culture, and their origins. Last thing indians (and that too South indians) need to do is teach us Pakistanis the history of our own people.

I have enough pakistani friends who pretty much agree with am saying here,i dont care about what u feel.

and yeah pakistan is not in Mars or some long lost island in the Pacific,dont create some random myth about ur place.

And being from pakistan makes u no better an expert on the place,after all u also read and learn just like everyone else.

 

[Desert Fox]

Facts,what Facts.

It is as obvious as daylight man,it is only you who cant see it.Actually i have got a DNA analysis done and i have 40% R1A1 but obviously i dont care much about all that.

Those eyes are a strong example of mongol blood,nobody else has it.I can tell you,We Indians have no issues.We know we are mixed blood and we are cool.

It is you guys who build a national conciousness based on lies and try to deny the reality everytime u have to justify it.

What i showed is a fact of fact of fact,the factest fact around.

And get the DNA haplo group test done,u ll be amazed at where all u might have cousins.

FACTS????? You want FACTS???? I'l give you FACTS, just watch. And BTW, why does every indian boast that they have R1A1 lolz, an obvious indication of inferiority complex.

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I have enough pakistani friends who pretty much agree with am saying here,i dont care about what u feel.

lol, yeah ok.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

FACTS????? You want FACTS???? I'l give you FACTS, just watch. And BTW, why does every indian boast that they have R1A1 lolz, an obvious indication of inferiority complex.

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lol, yeah ok.

He doesnt know tht the highest consentration of R1A1 in the region is found in Pakistan... much much higher than even upper caste north indians.... infact many claim it originated frm modern day Pakistan... here is an interesting discussion from another international forum... though some indian guy is trying to push the crap tht Pakistan was part of india.. whether it has more R1A1 doesnt matter ...LOL

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No,u asked me right where i am from,what is the colour of my skin and all that?

I just told u this to tell u that all that doesn't matter.

U r going to give me facts now,i m keen to watch pal,perhaps i dont know whether they mean something else in Balochistan.

And why do u talk about an inferiority complex,i mean u guys are so phucked in the head,u keep looking for brownie points in every discussion.

Hes frm KP... abt personal attacks.. looks like u had a bad experience!

 

[Subramanian]

dude,i dont care about my haplo groups.I would have been proud even if i had no R1A1,it is irrelevant.

I said that to prove to him,that me being from somewhere is not important for this dicussion.

And i was not insulting anything there,complex again?

And finally on topic,

Turkey is a little country with a little GDP,they hardly have any clout to point a finger at India or to bother us.I mean they are not even Brazil/Russia,who cares about them?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

dude,i dont care about my haplo groups.I would have been proud even if i had no R1A1,it is irrelevant.

Cool.

I said that to prove to him,that me being from somewhere is not important for this dicussion.

And i was not insulting anything there,complex again?

Just report what u feel offensive....instead of abusing.

And finally on topic,

Turkey is a little country with a little GDP

Turkey is a trillion dollar economy with a population of around 80 million people.. aint tht enough?

they hardly have any clout to point a finger at India or to bother us.Nor are they in the vicinity of Kashmir to make an informed opinion,it is just timepass.I mean they are not even Brazil/Russia,who cares about them?

This thread is not abt IOK.. so why even bring the topic here?

 

[Desert Fox]

And dont throw aryan dravidian jargon jargon at me,baloch boy.

Funny how your saying while your the one who brought the R1A1 crap into this thread (serious inferiority complex)

Anyway coming to topic,there is this thing called Pan-Turkism, where all the turkic language people together.It is a linguistic union and not an ethnic one.

So if a black person speaks turkish then he is considered a Turk? And if a Mexican speaks Turkish then he is considered a Turk? Or if a white, blue eyed, blond haired German speaks Turkish then according to you he is more Turkish then the person who is a Turk by blood? Wow, what a strange logic lolz.

Basically it is true that lot of people mentioned here have central asian blood,but central asia extends from Mongolia to Turkey right across all the ex soviet republics.

Nobody here disputed that fact so totally unnecessary for you to bring that up.

I mean obviously all those people could share some blood but not so much blood,the idea here is when we say Turkey today we mean the Anatolian Turks who are more similar to Europeans like Greeks and Slav people rather than some guy in Peshawar/Balochistan.

Of course, since the modern day Turkey is a mix of Turks, Native Anatolians, and other races. No one is disputing this fact either, don't know where your coming up with these statements. However it should be noted that Pakistani culture is heavily influenced by Turkish and Persian culture, basically a hybrid of the two, due to the fact that Turks, Afghans and Persians have repeatedly invaded and settled in the land we call Pakistan today. Kebabs, Biryani, Na'an bread, Samosa, Chicken Tikka all of these have their origins in central asia and persia (funny how indians claim these dishes as their own).

And it has been proven that Mongols moved from East to West and they put their DNA all around where they went and it is common sense something which the above poster obviously lacks,that more their DNA ll be closer to Mongolia rather than some far off Krygystan.

Turks are a Mongoloid race genius. And may i ask you how do you know about their DNA? Did you check it or you somehow magically know their DNA and gene origins.

The Hazaras may have more of Mongol blood and look more with east asian features.Look at the two pics below and say these guys have no mongol blood,their eyes make it obvious.

http://hindilyrics.net/profiles/pics/nusrat-fateh-ali-khan.jpg

http://pakteahouse.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/imran-khan-33-AFP-640x480.jpg

Little do you know but the Hazaras aren't the only Mongoloid people in Pakistan, go to Northern Pakistan and you will find Turkic Uyghur tribes, they have their own native language and have not intermixed with other races due to their isolated nature. The same applies to the Kalash and other people.

Pakistan is a country of diverse peoples of different backgrounds, and our culture has its roots in central asia, we have more in common with our western neighbors than bharat.

And since you brought all of this R1A1 mumbo jumbo
BTW, here is a Pakistani boy:

And here is another one:

^^have nothing in common with you bharatis.

 

[Subramanian]

Cool.


Just report what u feel offensive....instead of abusing.


Turkey is a trillion dollar economy with a population of around 80 million people.. aint tht enough?



This thread is not abt IOK.. so why even bring the topic here?

Turkey is a 735 billion dollar economy and the only stable state in the middle of a bunch of loonies,which is good for them.

India is a 1.75 trillion dollar economy and that is with very less infrastructure and literacy than Turkey.

I am sorry about mentioning Kashmir,i mixed it up with the other thread.

 

[Subramanian]

Funny how your saying while your the one who brought the R1A1 crap into this thread (serious inferiority complex)


So if a black person speaks turkish then he is considered a Turk? And if a Mexican speaks Turkish then he is considered a Turk? Or if a white, blue eyed, blond haired German speaks Turkish then according to you he is more Turkish then the person who is a Turk by blood? Wow, what a strange logic lolz.



Nobody here disputed that fact so totally unnecessary for you to bring that up.



Of course, since the modern day Turkey is a mix of Turks, Native Anatolians, and other races. No one is disputing this fact either, don't know where your coming up with these statements. However it should be noted that Pakistani culture is heavily influenced by Turkish and Persian culture, basically a hybrid of the two, due to the fact that Turks, Afghans and Persians have repeatedly invaded and settled in the land we call Pakistan today. Kebabs, Biryani, Na'an bread, Samosa, Chicken Tikka all of these have their origins in central asia and persia (funny how indians claim these dishes as their own).



Turks are a Mongoloid race genius. And may i ask you how do you know about their DNA? Did you check it or you somehow magically know their DNA and gene origins.



Little do you know but the Hazaras aren't the only Mongoloid people in Pakistan, go to Northern Pakistan and you will find Turkic Uyghur tribes, they have their own native language and have not intermixed with other races due to their isolated nature. The same applies to the Kalash and other people.

Pakistan is a country of diverse peoples of different backgrounds, and our culture has its roots in central asia, we have more in common with our western neighbors than bharat.

And since you brought all of this R1A1 mumbo jumbo
BTW, here is a Pakistani boy:

And here is another one:

^^have nothing in common with you bharatis.

Well dude,a black/Mexican speaking turkish wont make him a Turk but the reason why Turkey and all the Kazak,Turkmen,AzerBaijan share an ethos is because of language but the distance is too far to maintain any similar ethnicity and also lot of invasions from the east.

You can read about Pan-Turkism just like Pan-Arabism,both are linguistic and not ethnic unions.

I didn't talk about Aryan-Dravidian first,he did and i told him that coming from the deep south india,even i have R1A1,just to say it doesn't matter.

I am never disputing that Pakistani society is influenced by persian/turkish culture/food.

I didn't say that Hazaras are the only Mongloid people,he said it.read it again dude.

My opinion is different,i feel people generally take the culture and identity of the father.It could so happen that the father married a mongloid woman,as in the mother and u wud still call urself what ur father is but the fact if u also have ur mom's blood and that ll influence ur looks.That way a lot of people can have mongloid blood and nusrat saab is a strong example of that,whereas his brother Farukh and nephew Rahat dont have the same thing.

Thats why i said,when people say Turk blood,there is no such thing as Turk blood.

U spoke about a lot of food being from Iran,what u forget is most Indian upper castes are also from Iran,Sanskrit is from Iran and most people of the Indian sub continent came from Iran,so whats the big deal now and i dont think any informed Indian would say it is theirs?

I am from south-india and we eat rice cakes called Idlis,i read sometime back that it actually came from Indonesia which is not far from my place and the funny thing is they dont eat that in Indonesia anymore and USA was trying to patent the Basmati Rice,wtf!!!

regarding being closer to your western neighbours,i think it is true for KPK and other states but ur Punjabis and Sindhis are the same as ours,no difference at all.Nothing,Zukk.

That way India has too many cultures,things change every 200 km.

so,whats the point now?