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Turkey needs to stay out of Qatar’s mess

Either way, we lost our closest ally in the Middle East after the One minute speech in davos. All in order so that Erdogan could gain votes from the religious, conservative class in Turkey. After that relations started getting bad real fast, especially since we let the Mavi Marmaris sail. Israel warned us before, and Israel is no country to f* with. They do as they say. Before all this, we never had a problem with Israel. Economically, militarily, politically, we were on the same page.
By taking the wrong bet with Morsi, we lost the most populous Arab country in the Middle-East as an ally. Egypt nog works closely together with Greece and Cyprus against our interests.
And why is it better to support Assad? Lets get real here for a moment. The rebels are not going to win this war. If Assas loses, the whole of Syria will be fractured. And a YPG led country will be a fact. If Assad loses, we will deal with a lot more terrorism in the couple decades from the PKK, in Turkey.

We made numerous wrong bets. Now it is time to start a new page in our foreign policy, and maybe (behind the curtains) support Assad. Maybe, accept the political climate and try to work something out with Egypt for instance? We almost got no allies left in this world. It is time to change our policies

Before Arab revulsion Turkish foreign policy was zero problem with neighbor but after / revulsion policy was change to support people's opinion as they wanted change Assad or Mubarak. Who thought whole Arab revolution will become a quagmire instead of bringing peace and democracy. Turkish calculation was to get moderate Islamic party to power if people support then and emerg as one of most influential country and leader .


Tells everything.

True. We took the wrong bet and we lost. Now it is time to lick our wounds and change the direction of this ship.
 
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The civil war in their neighbouring country is turning into a regional war, the rise of the Kurdish force and the imminent Kurdistan independence where they are becoming Kosovo 2.0 with full Western protection, the increasingly isolation of Turkey from the West, the conspiracy to overthrow Erdogan by the Western powers and the UAE collaborators, the deepening political turmoil in the GCC, the re-emergence of the Iranian empire and their imperial agenda to assert domination over the Middle East caused Turkey to intervene military and politically.

They would try assert their domination over them to ensure nothing would happen to their country. If they stay out of the mess then they're gonna end up like Pakistan.
 
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Either way, we lost our closest ally in the Middle East after the One minute speech in davos. All in order so that Erdogan could gain votes from the religious, conservative class in Turkey. After that relations started getting bad real fast, especially since we let the Mavi Marmaris sail. Israel warned us before, and Israel is no country to f* with. They do as they say. Before all this, we never had a problem with Israel. Economically, militarily, politically, we were on the same page.
By taking the wrong bet with Morsi, we lost the most populous Arab country in the Middle-East as an ally. Egypt nog works closely together with Greece and Cyprus against our interests.
And why is it better to support Assad? Lets get real here for a moment. The rebels are not going to win this war. If Assas loses, the whole of Syria will be fractured. And a YPG led country will be a fact. If Assad loses, we will deal with a lot more terrorism in the couple decades from the PKK, in Turkey.

We made numerous wrong bets. Now it is time to start a new page in our foreign policy, and maybe (behind the curtains) support Assad. Maybe, accept the political climate and try to work something out with Egypt for instance? We almost got no allies left in this world. It is time to change our policies



True. We took the wrong bet and we failed. Now it is time to lick our wounds and change the direction of this ship.

I think you have not read TR history and it's relationship with the region...since...foreever...

TR is a country of power...therefore seeking power was,is and will stay in it's DNA, like GCC or Egypt... it's has been like that fore centuries and it will continue to do so...
TR and Egypt relationship wasn't good under Mubarak either... it's was "normal" I stay in my ground and you stay in yours...

Please don't jump on the Paranoia of this GCC conflict... TIes with GCC will not be cut, neither with KSA neither with UAE... BOth need TR... in mainy fields... and vice versa

And Stop your Israeli complexe... it's... almost shamefull...

PKK has a long history with TR... and it was Erdogan who got you that "Peace" for quite a long time ... today it's not more tho'... Pkk problems will stay till, they have no ideology support, whatever inside the country or outside...

ASSad and Erdogan were NEVER friends... Erdogan hated him... re-read some History about that and you will get quite suprised, the hate came even before assad, it has begun with his father Hafez...

TR and EGypt relationship "conflict" is dated to Nasser... so good luck with that...
 
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I think you have not read TR history and it's relationship with the region...since...foreever...

TR is a country of power...therefore seeking power was,is and will stay in it's DNA, like GCC or Egypt... it's has been like that fore centuries and it will continue to do so...
TR and Egypt relationship wasn't good under Mubarak either... it's was "normal" I stay in my ground and you stay in yours...

Please don't jump on the Paranoia of this GCC conflict... TIes with GCC will not be cut, neither with KSA neither with UAE... BOth need TR... in mainy fields... and vice versa

And Stop your Israeli complexe... it's... almost shamefull...

PKK has a long history with TR... and it was Erdogan who got you that "Peace" for quite a long time ... today it's not more tho'... Pkk problems will stay till, they have no ideology support, whatever inside the country or outside...

ASSad and Erdogan were NEVER friends... Erdogan hated him... re-read some History about that and you will get quite suprised, the hate came even before assad, it has begun with his father Hafez...

TR and EGypt relationship "conflict" is dated to Nasser... so good luck with that...

"TR is a country of power...therefore seeking power was,is and will stay in it's DNA, like GCC or Egypt... it's has been like that fore centuries and it will continue to do so..."
If there is such a thing. Than that is not an excuse to pick a beef with everyone.


"TR and Egypt relationship wasn't good under Mubarak either... it's was "normal" I stay in my ground and you stay in yours..."
True. But now its poisonous. We where not friends with egypt back then, but we defintally where also not enemies with Egypt.

"And Stop your Israeli complexe... it's... almost shamefull..."
Oké, and let your blinde hate against Israel suite your interests.

I think you need to study the history of Turkey more closely my friend.
"PKK has a long history with TR... and it was Erdogan who got you that "Peace" for quite a long time ... today it's not more tho'... Pkk problems will stay till, they have no ideology support, whatever inside the country or outside..."
The peace proces with the PKK was one big disaster. I don't think anyone of the Turkish members on this forum will disagree with this statement. Pkk problem will definitely stay there at the moment. This is because of the YPG controlled area in Syria.

"ASSad and Erdogan were NEVER friends... Erdogan hated him... re-read some History about that and you will get quite suprised, the hate came even before assad, it has begun with his father Hafez..."
I know all about it, but in recent years they where best friends.
http://bintel.com.ua/en/article/02-06-turkey-syria/

Either way, I think you should look more into the internal politics of turkey and turkeys history before you make comments like these. Than you would know that the peace process with the PKK was a disaster for Turkey. Than you would know that Assad and Erdogan do where friends with each other. And than you would now about the dynamics between Israel and Turkey, and Turkey and Egypt.
 
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You are kidding right?
Does the UAE government give notice to all ambassadors about its secrets?
It is the job of the ambassador to know all the political and other tendencies of the country he is assigned to, concerning his own country!
 
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It is the job of the ambassador to know all the political and other tendencies of the country he is assigned to, concerning his own country!
Yes,that is his job but its not his job to act on his own and confront the UAE government incase he finds out some disturbing news of actions against his country taken by the country he is assigned to,he has to follow protocol and inform his government after which he gets his orders on what to do.
I understand you want the world to see the GCC countries as ''angels'' but dont try to hard,its getting funny(take a good look at your posts in this thread and think again).
 
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Yes,that is his job but its not his job to act on his own and confront the UAE government incase he finds out some disturbing news of actions against his country taken by the country he is assigned to,he has to follow protocol and inform his government after which he gets his orders on what to do.
Sure..and most of the time he will keep silent if there are conflicting interests, he won't praise his host government for opposing the coup..
 
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Sure..and most of the time he will keep silent if there are conflicting interests, he won't praise his host government for opposing the coup..
You should learn a thing or two about diplomacy.
Take a look at your answers man,is that really you?:what::what::what:
 
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You should learn a thing or two about diplomacy.
Take a look at your answers man,is that really you?:what::what::what:
Obviously you show your ignorance of diplomacy, so no further trolling for you..
 
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If Qatar doesnt move their 100s of billions usd FOREX to Turkish banks, then we should stay away this crisis.

If Qatar moves their 100s of billions usd FOREX to Turkish banks, then we should interfere directly and make Saudis learn their own place.

We should be pragmatic in this issue.
 
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Why Turkey's military base will remain in Qatar


In recent weeks, Turkey's military base in Qatar became a hot-button issue as several Gulf countries, led by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, severed their ties with Doha citing the tiny nation's alleged support for terrorist groups. Just days after a series of economic, diplomatic and humanitarian sanctions were announced, the Turkish Parliament fast-tracked an agreement with Qatar regarding the establishment of a military base outside Doha. Although that bilateral agreement's ratification was considered a sign of Turkey's frustration with the Qatar crisis, this interpretation didn't necessarily reflect the truth.

Long before the most recent crisis in the region, Ankara and Doha were engaging in talks pending the Turkish Parliament's green light. As a matter of fact, more than 80 Turkish troops were already stationed in Qatar to lay the foundations of Ankara's future base. Following Parliament's approval, 23 additional troops were deployed to Doha. Simply put, the Turkish base wasn't just planned and agreed on long before the crisis but it was also an ongoing project.

The second time the Turkish military base came up during the course of the Gulf crisis was earlier this week, when several the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries provided Qatar with a list of 13 demands. You might recall that U.S. President Donald Trump had initially sided with Riyadh and others but Washington gradually backtracked on this policy. Arguably the most noteworthy challenge to the White House came from U.S. State Department Spokesperson Heather Nauert, who told reporters that the U.S. wasn't sure whether the blockade of Qatar was about terrorism after all.

Either way, the Qataris were presented with a list of demands which, according to media reports, included the downgrading of diplomatic relations with Iran, shutting down Al Jazeera and a number of other media outlets, ending Doha's support to the Muslim Brotherhood and the shutdown of Turkey's military base in Qatar along with an end to military cooperation with Ankara – which tells me that some people are unsettled by the Turkish military presence in the Gulf.

The obvious question now is whether Turkish troops in Qatar should be a source of concern and, if yes, to whom.

Before answering, it is necessary to recall why Turkey sent troops to the region in the first place and what the Turkish military has been doing there. At this time, Turkish troops serve in places like Kosovo and Afghanistan as part of international peacekeeping forces. Turkey's friends and allies repeatedly maintained over the years that Turkish troops made valuable contributions to peace and stability in host nations.

Moreover, Turkey has three military bases outside its borders. One of them is located in Bashiqa in northern Iraq, which has been a training center for anti-Daesh fighters at the request of the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG). At the same time, the base makes it possible for Ankara to neutralize national security threats before Daesh terrorists reach its borders.

The second base is located in Somalia, where local troops have been receiving training as part of a broader strategy to empower that country politically, economically and socially in order to help Somalians to address the threats of instability, terrorism and hunger. In fact, Turkey provided more assistance to Somalia than any other country. Keeping in mind that the country needs a strong military to become fully stable, it is not surprising that Turkish troops have been assisting their Somalian counterparts.

The third and final military base is in Qatar. Efforts to set up the base were launched back in 2014 in an effort to contribute to Doha's security. A closer look at the date when the talks started indicates that the decision was motivated by Iranian expansionism and the situation in Syria. As the above examples clearly show, Turkey's decisions to establish military bases abroad are intended to promote the stability and security of friendly nations as well as to take pre-emptive measures threats against its own security.

Do the Gulf nations have any reason to be unsettled by the Turkish military base in Qatar? Turkey and the GCC countries see eye-to-eye on most regional issues – notwithstanding minor differences of opinion. In particular, Turkey and Saudi Arabia completely agree on the need to remove Bashar Assad's regime from power. Likewise, the Turkish government had sided with the Gulf nations during the Yemen crisis and shared Saudi concerns about Iranian expansionism. In other words, the Turkish military presence in Qatar strengthens the Saudi-led coalition's hand rather than threaten their vital interests. As such, it is important to stress that the base doesn't pose a threat to the Gulf nations.

So why did they ask Qatar to shut down the base? Why would the GCC countries, which clearly have no problem with the U.S. military base near Doha, want Turkish troops to leave? It would be wrong to assume that this demand reflects their general view on Turkey. A closer look at their demands from Qatar reveals that they actually believe that Doha threatens their vital interests. As such, they would like the Qataris to become diplomatically and economically dependent on Saudi Arabia and others, which means no relationship whatsoever with any nation that could empower Doha. In other words, the demand to shut down the Turkish base is more about weakening Qatar than the perceived threat(s) posed by Turkey.

Be that as it may, the question is whether the Saudi-led countries can reasonably request Qatar to shut down the base. The Gulf crisis cannot continue forever and, looking at the fierce competition between regional powers, it is safe to assume that the GCC countries will have to normalize their relations with Qatar sooner or later. To be clear, neither Turkey nor Qatar can be expected to give up on this strategic move due to some temporary tensions. Let's just hope that Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf nations will understand that Turkish troops will be vital for their own security in the future.

https://www.dailysabah.com/columns/...hy-turkeys-military-base-will-remain-in-qatar
 
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If Qatar doesnt move their 100s of billions usd FOREX to Turkish banks, then we should stay away this crisis.

If Qatar moves their 100s of billions usd FOREX to Turkish banks, then we should interfere directly and make Saudis learn their own place.

We should be pragmatic in this issue.
Unbelievable. So naive it's unbelievable.
 
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