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Turkey needs to stay out of Qatar’s mess



By Asli Aydintasbas June 22
Saudi-Qatar crisis is just another example of high-level intrigue that will further engulf Muslims in worthless internal conflicts to prop up regimes — while failing to serve the interests of their people. Emboldened by a sword-dancing President Trump, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates are now accusing Qatar of “supporting terrorism” and not fully endorsing the hard-line Gulf position on Iran. It’s the pot calling the kettle black. The Gulf nations have supported far more extreme versions of Salafi Islam across the Middle East than the more moderate Qatar-backed Muslim Brotherhood, including aiding some unsavory Sunni opposition groups in Syria and the Maghreb.

There seems no good side to pick in this conflict; therefore, it is difficult to understand Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s willingness to jump into the fray in support of Qatar. As usual, Ankara first reacted and then overreacted to the crisis by sending Turkish troops to Doha, ostensibly to protect the Gulf monarchy from a Saudi-led palace coup or invasion. Erdogan has close personal ties with Qatar’s ruling family and may have felt that the Saudi move against the small nation is partly aimed at sending a message to Ankara, as the two nations closely coordinate their foreign policy and engagements in the Middle East.

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But the tiny Gulf state of Qatar is hardly the “strategic partner” that modern Turkey needs. However unfounded the Saudi allegations, Ankara does not need to go to bat for Doha.

Qatar may have punched above its weight in trying to become a power broker in regional conflicts and in supporting a string of Muslim Brotherhood-related parties across the region. The tiny nation of 300,000 citizens is hardly the progressive Arab state that its flagship network Al-Jazeera tries to project. But it isn’t a terrorist state either. It hosts a U.S. military base and signed a $12 billion deal last week to purchase 36 F-15 fighter jets.

This crisis seems to be all about preserving the status quo in the Gulf and lining everyone up for a Sunni posturing against Iran. At the heart of the matter is Qatar’s support support for Ikhwan, alias the Muslim Brotherhood. As a secular Turk fighting for liberal democracy at home, I am the farthest you can be from Islamist politics. But ideologically speaking, and in practice, the Ikhwan-related parties generally seek power through elections, as they have in Egypt and Tunisia, and not terrorism. They file candidates or hold parliamentary seats in Kuwait, Jordan, Yemen and Tunisia. Though not allowing free multi-party elections in its own country, Qatar’s rulers support Ikhwan-linked political parties in other Arab nations. But the Saudis don’t even do that. The kingdom has an existential aversion to the idea of democratic elections or regime change through the ballot anywhere in the Muslim world. Hard to see the silver lining here.

For Turkey, there is a deeper existential dilemma here. A decade ago, under the guidance of Erdogan and his then-foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey deviated from its century-old Westernization goal to delve into the Middle East. Dreams of reestablishing the Ottoman Empire and leading the Sunni world led us into deeper entanglements in Syria and Iraq and into an alliance with Qatar. While there is nothing wrong with Turkey using its soft power to set an example in its region, as the Middle East descended into chaos, we found ourselves at the receiving end of the region’s troubles.

It is best to walk away from all of this. Modern Turkey was established a century ago as a pro-Western secular republic based on a self-conscious rejection of its imperial Ottoman past. The memoirs of our founding fathers, including Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, are replete with warnings about entanglements in the Middle East – and for good reason. Centuries of Ottoman reign across the Middle East ended in a series of military defeats and a huge heartbreak at the end of the World War I. Arab revolts and great power games only helped highlight the meaninglessness of trying to impose an order on foreign lands with massive problems. In one of my favorite books, “Mount of Olives,” Falih Rifki Atay, an aide to Ottoman military commanders and later a close confidant of Ataturk, describes the devastating Turkish retreat from the Middle East, in trenches and in despair.

In the end, Turkey’s founding fathers have not lamented the loss of Arab territory from Jerusalem to Mecca, thinking that what we can build at home is much better than all the conquests of our forefathers.

And they were right.

We should take lessons from our founding fathers and move away from internal Arab affairs — and back to the bosom of Europe. We have no bone to pick in this fight, and it is no prize to be the patron saint of one Gulf nation fighting against another. Chasing dreams of becoming a regional leader in a region in turmoil is an inferior goal. Rekindling ties with the European Union, where Turkey is technically still a candidate, and returning to democracy is a much better one.
 
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Turkeys foreign policy is a disaster. We should do more real politic, instead of picking a fight with everyone over some BS. Where is the zero problems policy of Davutoglu?
What was the point in having beef with Sissi in Egypt? What did we gain from that? Even if it was clear that the MB could not stay in power, and Sissi would rule Egypt for the coming decennia.
Same with Assad, we dropped him way to fast. Instead of supporting Assad and having a powerful ally in our south, we have a new neighbor. A terrorist state, thanks to Erdogan his inability to think clear.
Same way he handled Israel. And now a new beef is starting with the GCC.

We should only look at ourselves. I mean, whats the point of having bad relations with Israel. In our entire history, Israel almost never did us wrong. It is Israel for example that handed us Ocalan, when the PLO supported the PKK, took sides with the Greeces over Cyprus,.. It is like we forgot everything that happened before last year.
 
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Turkey should instead keep continuing to work on the economic reforms it has done in the last 15 years or so. That what gets respect at the end of the day. Turkey did succeed in achieving that but a lot still needs to be done. It is economic power, tolerance, openness, diversity that makes up the great return for the people of a certain nation. Political intervention creates enemies, wastes resources, increases hatred, and end up usually with half victories, settlements, or even defeat and disappointment.
 
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Turkeys foreign policy is a disaster. We should do more real politic, instead of picking a fight with everyone over some BS. Where is the zero problems policy of Davutoglu?
What was the point in having beef with Sissi in Egypt? What did we gain from that? Even if it was clear that the MB could not stay in power, and Sissi would rule Egypt for the coming decennia.
Same with Assad, we dropped him way to fast. Instead of supporting Assad and having a powerful ally in our south, we have a new neighbor. A terrorist state, thanks to Erdogan his inability to think clear.
Same way he handled Israel. And now a new beef is starting with the GCC.

We should only look at ourselves. I mean, whats the point of having bad relations with Israel. In our entire history, Israel almost never did us wrong. It is Israel for example that handed us Ocalan, when the PLO supported the PKK, took sides with the Greeces over Cyprus,.. It is like we forgot everything that happened before last year.

Values? Principles?

Weak nations compromise on those things, Turkey isn't a weak nation any more.

Turkey should instead keep continuing to work on the economic reforms it has done in the last 15 years or so. That what gets respect at the end of the day. Turkey did succeed in achieving that but a lot still needs to be done. It is economic power, tolerance, openness, diversity that makes up the great return for the people of a certain nation. Political intervention creates enemies, wastes resources, increases hatred, and end up usually with half victories, settlements, or even defeat and disappointment.

I agree, stability at home and development of the economy is a must. Turkey is going in the right direction but needs to pump out phd's, develop new products, improve existing ideas - that is the real front line.
 
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Values? Principles?

Weak nations compromise on those things, Turkey isn't a weak nation any more.
Has nothing to do with compromising. And what values do we speak of? Which country has values and what makes us different or special. Countries don't have values, they only have interests.
 
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It is in the best interests of Turkey to stay neutral in this case.. but I guess it is a bit too late.. Turkey has shown its total commitment to Qatar at 90% for Qatar and some still 10% for rest of the GCC.. I think 50/50 would have been more productive..
 
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It is in the best interests of Turkey to stay neutral in this case.. but I guess it is a bit too late.. Turkey has shown its total commitment to Qatar at 90% for Qatar and some still 10% for rest of the GCC.. I think 50/50 would have been more productive..
Well the picture looks different if the accusations against UAE being involved in coup in Turkey are true.
 
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Global Opinions
Turkey needs to stay out of Qatar’s mess



By Asli Aydintasbas June 22
Saudi-Qatar crisis is just another example of high-level intrigue that will further engulf Muslims in worthless internal conflicts to prop up regimes — while failing to serve the interests of their people. Emboldened by a sword-dancing President Trump, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates are now accusing Qatar of “supporting terrorism” and not fully endorsing the hard-line Gulf position on Iran. It’s the pot calling the kettle black. The Gulf nations have supported far more extreme versions of Salafi Islam across the Middle East than the more moderate Qatar-backed Muslim Brotherhood, including aiding some unsavory Sunni opposition groups in Syria and the Maghreb.

There seems no good side to pick in this conflict; therefore, it is difficult to understand Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s willingness to jump into the fray in support of Qatar. As usual, Ankara first reacted and then overreacted to the crisis by sending Turkish troops to Doha, ostensibly to protect the Gulf monarchy from a Saudi-led palace coup or invasion. Erdogan has close personal ties with Qatar’s ruling family and may have felt that the Saudi move against the small nation is partly aimed at sending a message to Ankara, as the two nations closely coordinate their foreign policy and engagements in the Middle East.

TWPLogos-twp_black.svg
The story must be told.


But the tiny Gulf state of Qatar is hardly the “strategic partner” that modern Turkey needs. However unfounded the Saudi allegations, Ankara does not need to go to bat for Doha.

Qatar may have punched above its weight in trying to become a power broker in regional conflicts and in supporting a string of Muslim Brotherhood-related parties across the region. The tiny nation of 300,000 citizens is hardly the progressive Arab state that its flagship network Al-Jazeera tries to project. But it isn’t a terrorist state either. It hosts a U.S. military base and signed a $12 billion deal last week to purchase 36 F-15 fighter jets.

This crisis seems to be all about preserving the status quo in the Gulf and lining everyone up for a Sunni posturing against Iran. At the heart of the matter is Qatar’s support support for Ikhwan, alias the Muslim Brotherhood. As a secular Turk fighting for liberal democracy at home, I am the farthest you can be from Islamist politics. But ideologically speaking, and in practice, the Ikhwan-related parties generally seek power through elections, as they have in Egypt and Tunisia, and not terrorism. They file candidates or hold parliamentary seats in Kuwait, Jordan, Yemen and Tunisia. Though not allowing free multi-party elections in its own country, Qatar’s rulers support Ikhwan-linked political parties in other Arab nations. But the Saudis don’t even do that. The kingdom has an existential aversion to the idea of democratic elections or regime change through the ballot anywhere in the Muslim world. Hard to see the silver lining here.

For Turkey, there is a deeper existential dilemma here. A decade ago, under the guidance of Erdogan and his then-foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Turkey deviated from its century-old Westernization goal to delve into the Middle East. Dreams of reestablishing the Ottoman Empire and leading the Sunni world led us into deeper entanglements in Syria and Iraq and into an alliance with Qatar. While there is nothing wrong with Turkey using its soft power to set an example in its region, as the Middle East descended into chaos, we found ourselves at the receiving end of the region’s troubles.

It is best to walk away from all of this. Modern Turkey was established a century ago as a pro-Western secular republic based on a self-conscious rejection of its imperial Ottoman past. The memoirs of our founding fathers, including Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, are replete with warnings about entanglements in the Middle East – and for good reason. Centuries of Ottoman reign across the Middle East ended in a series of military defeats and a huge heartbreak at the end of the World War I. Arab revolts and great power games only helped highlight the meaninglessness of trying to impose an order on foreign lands with massive problems. In one of my favorite books, “Mount of Olives,” Falih Rifki Atay, an aide to Ottoman military commanders and later a close confidant of Ataturk, describes the devastating Turkish retreat from the Middle East, in trenches and in despair.

In the end, Turkey’s founding fathers have not lamented the loss of Arab territory from Jerusalem to Mecca, thinking that what we can build at home is much better than all the conquests of our forefathers.

And they were right.

We should take lessons from our founding fathers and move away from internal Arab affairs — and back to the bosom of Europe. We have no bone to pick in this fight, and it is no prize to be the patron saint of one Gulf nation fighting against another. Chasing dreams of becoming a regional leader in a region in turmoil is an inferior goal. Rekindling ties with the European Union, where Turkey is technically still a candidate, and returning to democracy is a much better one.
Its too late, but erdogan made move after getting assurance from " somewhere". Hope this is not trap against Turkey.
 
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Values? Principles?

Weak nations compromise on those things, Turkey isn't a weak nation any more.



I agree, stability at home and development of the economy is a must. Turkey is going in the right direction but needs to pump out phd's, develop new products, improve existing ideas - that is the real front line.

Politics is just too nasty. When you are intervening to protect principals or values, you end up loosing more of these principals and values than what you tried to protect.
 
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It's quite interesting to read some of you..;speak about Turkey foreign policy and it's intervention on foreign matters... WHEN your own country is meddling and funding and destroying countries like Libya/Yemen and others...

Quite a refreshing Hypocrisy...

As for TR and it's foreign policy by siding with Qatar... it's quite an interesting move, it gives TR leverage for future conflicts or incidents and TR can win a lot if the conflict is resolved and even if it fails, she will not be affected... it's a Win-Win on whatever outcomes...

Anyway Have Fun

ps: As for those complaining...remember that innovation in society DO NOT COME when it's peace around... and for the TR members still complaining... you have to remember that the Indegenious/self-manufacturing vision of TR... IS... thanks to those "unstable" moments... otherwise you will have stayed under the hand of others for centuries to come... Same goes for the GCC and co...
 
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Turkeys foreign policy is a disaster. We should do more real politic, instead of picking a fight with everyone over some BS. Where is the zero problems policy of Davutoglu?
What was the point in having beef with Sissi in Egypt? What did we gain from that? Even if it was clear that the MB could not stay in power, and Sissi would rule Egypt for the coming decennia.
Same with Assad, we dropped him way to fast. Instead of supporting Assad and having a powerful ally in our south, we have a new neighbor. A terrorist state, thanks to Erdogan his inability to think clear.
Same way he handled Israel. And now a new beef is starting with the GCC.

We should only look at ourselves. I mean, whats the point of having bad relations with Israel. In our entire history, Israel almost never did us wrong. It is Israel for example that handed us Ocalan, when the PLO supported the PKK, took sides with the Greeces over Cyprus,.. It is like we forgot everything that happened before last year.

By the standards of our terrible foreign policy in the past, supporting Qatar was one of the best things we did.

You suggest we drop Morsi a democratically elected PM we supported while trying to make good relations with Assad a dictator who is barrel bombing his people under our noise. Great standards.

Also I'd like to remind you the Assad regime was one of the biggest supporters of PKK, PKK was and still is stationed in Syria. And Israel never did us wrong? yes killing your citizens in international waters is totally normal, lets not even go into Israel's dream of a greater Kurdistan within the borders of our lands.

This is politics, we are not friends of Israel, Syria, GCC, US, Russia or Europe, likewise they would chop us into pieces if they got a chance. "sticking to ourselves" foreign policy here is basically a politically correct way of saying "just totally ignore the Muslim world, close all our borders, those Islamist fosiks (fascists)".

You can not have a "stick to ourselves" policy in this geography, especially if you want to be a game player or changer.
 
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Well the picture looks different if the accusations against UAE being involved in coup in Turkey are true.
They are not true, I have provided a video in another thread showing the Turkish ambassador thanking the UAE for its condemnation of the coup and support to Erdogan one day after the coup..
 
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By the standards of our terrible foreign policy in the past, supporting Qatar was one of the best things we did.

You suggest we drop Morsi a democratically elected PM we supported while trying to make good relations with Assad a dictator who is barrel bombing his people under our noise. Great standards.

Also I'd like to remind you the Assad regime was one of the biggest supporters of PKK, PKK was and still is stationed in Syria. And Israel never did us wrong? yes killing your citizens in international waters is totally normal, lets not even go into Israel's dream of a greater Kurdistan within the borders of our lands.

This is politics, we are not friends of Israel, Syria, GCC, US, Russia or Europe, likewise they would chop us into pieces if they got a chance. "sticking to ourselves" foreign policy here is basically a politically correct way of saying "just totally ignore the Muslim world, close all our borders, those Islamist fosiks (fascists)".

You can not have a "stick to ourselves" policy in this geography, especially if you want to be a game player or changer.

Oké. 1. the future will show if supporting Qatar will be a good thing or a bad thing.
2. Real politic. What did we gain from supporting Morsi? What did we gain by not supporting Assad? (we gained an YPG/PKK controled are south of our borders). It is true that Assad supported PKK in the '80s. However, in the last 15 years, Assad did not support them anymore. Moreover, Assad and Erdogan where best friends. Before Erdogan dropped him.

3. It was our own fault that our civilians got killed there, we should have never let them sail to Gaza. We knew what would happen. Israel always supported Turkey against the PKK, its a little bit naive to look at the facts and think that Israel wanted to create a great Kurdistan when our relations where good, before Erdogan messed it up. Israel provided us intel, weapons and many more in our fight against the PKK. And now you state that Israel supported the PKK?

Edit; If anyone honestly can state that our foreign policy is good at the moment, than you are either not aware of politics, or 2 just really naive.

Edit 2: If mistakes had not been made in the past. Turkey would have currently good relationships with the whole middle-east, and there would be no threat coming from the YPG. It is our own foreign policy that created this Syria mess in the first place.
 
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They are not true, I have provided a video in another thread showing the Turkish ambassador thanking the UAE for its condemnation of the coup and support to Erdogan one day after the coup..
How doe that prove anything?
 
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Oké. 1. the future will show if supporting Qatar will be a good thing or a bad thing.
2. Real politic. What did we gain from supporting Morsi? What did we gain by not supporting Assad? (we gained an YPG/PKK controled are south of our borders). It is true that Assad supported PKK in the '80s. However, in the last 15 years, Assad did not support them anymore. Moreover, Assad and Erdogan where best friends. Before Erdogan dropped him.

3. It was our own fault that our civilians got killed there, we should have never let them sail to Gaza. We knew what would happen. Israel always supported Turkey against the PKK, its a little bit naive to look at the facts and think that Israel wanted to create a great Kurdistan when our relations where good, before Erdogan messed it up. Israel provided us intel, weapons and many more in our fight against the PKK. And now you state that Israel supported the PKK?

Edit; If anyone honestly can state that our foreign policy is good at the moment, than you are either not aware of politics, or 2 just really naive.

Edit 2: If mistakes had not been made in the past. Turkey would have currently good relationships with the whole middle-east, and there would be no threat coming from the YPG. It is our own foreign policy that created this Syria mess in the first place.


Before Arab revulsion Turkish foreign policy was zero problem with neighbor but after / revulsion policy was change to support people's opinion as they wanted change Assad or Mubarak. Who thought whole Arab revolution will become a quagmire instead of bringing peace and democracy. Turkish calculation was to get moderate Islamic party to power if people support then and emerg as one of most influential country and leader .

. It’s the pot calling the kettle black. The Gulf nations have supported far more extreme versions of Salafi Islam across the Middle East than the more moderate Qatar-backed Muslim Brotherhood, including aiding some unsavory Sunni opposition groups
Tells everything.
 
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