Turkey Is Turning Into the Next Pakistan

[pak-marine]

The more independent Turkey becomes
The more it serves its own interests
The more self reliant it is

The more they will hate and attack it

this means 30 years of unrest the kurdish problem isnt going to away .. and it seems much bigger than what pakistan had

 

[Muhammed45]

Bloomberg mouth piece of US elites is trying to say that we will not allow Turkey to taste peace on its boundaries by arming separatists and terrorists. Not so hard to understand

Article has no valuable point except for that, Turkey and Pakistan have similarities and differences like other countries, massage delivered Trump lol

 

[Lil Mathew]

Why is it that you sound like a democrat, a champion of freedom of speech after crushing these ideas in your satellite state we know as BD?

Posted article is from Bloomberg... BD???

 

[Attila the Hun]

@atatwolf aka @Attila the Hun

He mocked Pakistani Muslims whom joined Ottoman forces as ugly, useless and hungry people ...

Oh go on. Where did I say that.

 

[Aramagedon]

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He is a 100% Indian loving troll. He goes around causing sectarian trouble on every thread.

But, good job you didn't fall for it.

@2800

The proof that u LIAR just slured me

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/disputed-persian-artifacts-one-step-closer-to-home.546029

 

[Muhammed45]

The proof that u LIAR just slured me

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Leave him Bro, let him live in his own fantasy world. I never feel happy of watching children that are seeking for food, it's end point of being a racist beast. Leave that evil

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I was reading the article. The Article is rubbish, ever since I read that Pakistan and Turkey are failing states in it.

How is Pakistan and Turkey failing states?

The article is biased.

How are Pakistan and Turkey failed states? I am curious. The article doesn't even state how?

I am dismissing the bloomberg article as bullshit.

We ARE failed nations from a CERTAIN perspective. We failed to let ourselves be invaded and destroyed like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria & Libya. We failed to listen to the americans/zionists and instead become a nuclear weapons state. We failed to let ourselves be destroyed by terrorism and instead have embarked on an economic program thanks to CPEC which will make our nation a developed country within 30 to 40 years time. We failed to be cow-towed by the americans/neo-cons and zionists alike. We failed to not let ourselves be destroyed even against impossible odds. So YES we are failures.

 

[Aramagedon]

Leave him Bro, let him live in his own fantasy world. I never feel happy of watching children that seeking food, it's end point of being a racist beast. Leave that evil

I left him and he got banned.

 

[blain2]

Anyone who tells the leaders of the current new world order to go forth and multiply is termed "failed" or "failing". The more independent the foreign policies of states like Turkey, Pakistan and for that matter even Russia (as it becomes more assertive against the US and EU) become, the more negative PR you are bound to see in the press. The answer to this ploy is to put ones head down and keep pushing ahead with ones agenda.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Anyone who tells the leaders of the current new world order to go forth and multiply is termed "failed" or "failing". The more independent the foreign policies of states like Turkey, Pakistan and for that matter even Russia (as it becomes more assertive against the US and EU) become, the more negative PR you are bound to see in the press. The answer to this ploy is to put ones head down and keep pushing ahead with ones agenda.

It's no hidden secret that the west does not like Pakistan or Turkey too much.

In my opinion Turkey will never get into EU.

EU will never accept Turkey into EU.

 

[Dalit]

There isn't much that Turkey's president can do these days to further debase his reputation in the West. Recep Tayyip Erdogan has crushed peaceful protests at home and abroad, closed newspapers, threatened American soldiers, and collectively scapegoated Kurds. But over the weekend, Erdogan managed to go even lower.

At a rally at Kahramanmaras, the Turkish leader brought a trembling 6-year-old girl on stage dressed in military garb and told her she would be honored if she died as a martyr. He sounded like a terrorist. We expect this kind of child abuse from the fanatics in Hamas or Hezbollah. Erdogan though is the leader of an important NATO ally.

Turkey is beginning to resemble Pakistan, a perpetually failing state whose military leadership has tolerated and advanced a vision of political Islam deeply hostile to U.S. and Western interests.


To be sure, Turkey is not quite there yet. There is still a majority of Turks who want to eventually join the European Union. The Turkish economyis stronger than Pakistan's, and its banks are more trusted. And unlike in Pakistan, the driving force to further Islamize society has come from Erdogan, an elected leader, not the military. Indeed, the Turkish military has (until some of Erdogan's recent reforms) historically been a force that undermined the elected leadership through coups to preserve the secular tradition of modern Turkey's founder, Kemal Ataturk.

That said, Erdogan is following the Pakistani model in disturbing ways, according to Husain Haqqani, the former Pakistani ambassador to Washington. Haqqani, a former journalist, is in a unique position to evaluate this trend because he wrote the best history of how the Pakistani military embraced Islamic fundamentalism.

In an interview Haqqani said Erdogan's approach was reminiscent of Pakistan's military dictator between 1978 and 1988, Zia ul-Haq. Like Zia, Erdogan has instituted legal and societal reforms to further Islamize society. In January, for example, he instituted a new plan to pour government money into Islamic schools.

"Erdogan has taken the Pakistani formula of mixing hard-line nationalism with religiosity," Haqqani said. "Zia imposed Islamic laws by decree, amended the constitution, marginalized secular scholars and leaders, and created institutions for Islamization that have outlasted him. Erdogan is trying to do the same in Turkey."

The clearest parallel with Pakistan is Turkey's current approach to the war in Syria. In January, Erdogan launched a new offensive against America's Kurdish allies in Afrin. Even though the Turks have worked against the regime in Damascus, during the first weeks of that offensive they actually coordinated with their erstwhile adversaries in Syria.


This is a less toxic version of Pakistan's broader approach to the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan. There, the Pakistani military and intelligence services have tolerated and at times encouraged a group known as the Haqqani Network (no relation to the ambassador) to become a lifeline for the Afghan Taliban and other terrorists attacking U.S. forces and the elected government in Kabul. At the same time, the Pakistanis have been important allies for the U.S. dating back to the Islamic insurgency against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and more recently against elements of al Qaeda since 2001. Of course when the U.S. finally tracked down Osama bin Laden, it found him living in the same town as Pakistan's prestigious military academy, Abbottabad.

Again, Turkey has not yet sunk to this level. But it's heading down this path. In the first years of the Syrian civil war after 2011, Turkey's border with that country was a sieve for new Islamic State recruits joining the short-lived caliphate in Raqqa. To this day, Turkey remains a friendly outpost for Hamas, the terror group that has run Gaza since 2007.

As a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey, Eric Edelman, told me this week: "Turkey is not Pakistan yet, but if it continues on the trajectory that Erdogan has put it on, there is a prospect it could become like Pakistan."

This is the deep challenge today for Washington. So far however the U.S. government has not shown Ankara the tough love necessary to stop Turkey's slide. The latest high-level visit for example, from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson last month, sought to paper over Turkey's campaign in Afrin and Erdogan's recent threat to deliver an "Ottoman slap" to the U.S.

This kind of short-term thinking is understandable, but it doesn't address the slow-motion disaster happening now in Turkey. Here it's important, at the very least, to draw some boundaries for Erdogan and convey that he cannot maintain the current relationship with the U.S. if he crosses them. A good starting point would be to demand Erdogan stop threatening U.S. soldiers.

In the meantime, it's telling that Turkey and Pakistan are getting closer. Last week at a meeting of the Financial Action Task Force, the international body to counter money laundering, it was Turkey that helped counter a U.S. move to place Pakistani banks on a watch list for financing terrorism. Given the direction Turkey is heading, it looks like they are hoping Pakistan may one day return the favor.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ally-turkey-is-turning-into-the-next-pakistan

America in a whole lot of pain. I'm enjoying it.

America is an enemy of both Pakistan and Turkey. That is no secret. Pakistan and Turkey take a lot of pride in being similar. The irony here is that the peoples of both nations are indeed bound by blood, culture and history.

Anyone who tells the leaders of the current new world order to go forth and multiply is termed "failed" or "failing". The more independent the foreign policies of states like Turkey, Pakistan and for that matter even Russia (as it becomes more assertive against the US and EU) become, the more negative PR you are bound to see in the press. The answer to this ploy is to put ones head down and keep pushing ahead with ones agenda.

The Western world has failed to balkanize stronger countries in the Muslim world. They thought it would be a walk in the park. Look at them in Syria, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Failure upon failure. They arm their dogs, but to no avail. The Western world has created too many challenges for its own good. The US has dragged their Western partners into an incredible mess.

Pakistan, Turkey and all like-minded countries need to keep working together and shame the Yanks real good. Russia, China, Iran Turkey and Pakistan have all one thing in common. We all face hurdles and threats from one specific nation. We need to join hands and face off this threat collectively.

We ARE failed nations from a CERTAIN perspective. We failed to let ourselves be invaded and destroyed like Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria & Libya. We failed to listen to the americans/zionists and instead become a nuclear weapons state. We failed to let ourselves be destroyed by terrorism and instead have embarked on an economic program thanks to CPEC which will make our nation a developed country within 30 to 40 years time. We failed to be cow-towed by the americans/neo-cons and zionists alike. We failed to not let ourselves be destroyed even against impossible odds. So YES we are failures.

The Americans are obviously frustrated. Their daily begging to do more is humiliating. The Americans have always firmly believed that they can control Pakistan like a master. Pakistan has lately taken some firm decisions which have shook the Americans quite badly. From CPEC to openly refusing to do more. The Yanks aren't used to hearing no from Pakistan. If we look at the Musharraf era the Yanks were in the driving seat. They were getting full support from Pakistan. From drone strikes to intelligence support. If we compare this with today the Yanks have basically lost all control and they are obviously in sour grape mode.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

according to Husain Haqqani, the former Pakistani ambassador to Washington.

Dear Turk bros consider this guy to be the Damat Ferid Pasha of Pakistan.....You know what I am talking about.

Looks like Turkey and Pak are sharing even the traitors!!!!! Anyway, it's called cost saving for the West....

 

[Max]

Pakistan and Turkey should continue to pursue their national interests.

 

[mike2000 is back]

What do you expect from the most ugliest, physically repulsive and hideous looking race on the planet?

Wow..... That was harsh. lol

There isn't much that Turkey's president can do these days to further debase his reputation in the West. Recep Tayyip Erdogan has crushed peaceful protests at home and abroad, closed newspapers, threatened American soldiers, and collectively scapegoated Kurds. But over the weekend, Erdogan managed to go even lower.

At a rally at Kahramanmaras, the Turkish leader brought a trembling 6-year-old girl on stage dressed in military garb and told her she would be honored if she died as a martyr. He sounded like a terrorist. We expect this kind of child abuse from the fanatics in Hamas or Hezbollah. Erdogan though is the leader of an important NATO ally.

Turkey is beginning to resemble Pakistan, a perpetually failing state whose military leadership has tolerated and advanced a vision of political Islam deeply hostile to U.S. and Western interests.


To be sure, Turkey is not quite there yet. There is still a majority of Turks who want to eventually join the European Union. The Turkish economyis stronger than Pakistan's, and its banks are more trusted. And unlike in Pakistan, the driving force to further Islamize society has come from Erdogan, an elected leader, not the military. Indeed, the Turkish military has (until some of Erdogan's recent reforms) historically been a force that undermined the elected leadership through coups to preserve the secular tradition of modern Turkey's founder, Kemal Ataturk.

That said, Erdogan is following the Pakistani model in disturbing ways, according to Husain Haqqani, the former Pakistani ambassador to Washington. Haqqani, a former journalist, is in a unique position to evaluate this trend because he wrote the best history of how the Pakistani military embraced Islamic fundamentalism.

In an interview Haqqani said Erdogan's approach was reminiscent of Pakistan's military dictator between 1978 and 1988, Zia ul-Haq. Like Zia, Erdogan has instituted legal and societal reforms to further Islamize society. In January, for example, he instituted a new plan to pour government money into Islamic schools.

"Erdogan has taken the Pakistani formula of mixing hard-line nationalism with religiosity," Haqqani said. "Zia imposed Islamic laws by decree, amended the constitution, marginalized secular scholars and leaders, and created institutions for Islamization that have outlasted him. Erdogan is trying to do the same in Turkey."

The clearest parallel with Pakistan is Turkey's current approach to the war in Syria. In January, Erdogan launched a new offensive against America's Kurdish allies in Afrin. Even though the Turks have worked against the regime in Damascus, during the first weeks of that offensive they actually coordinated with their erstwhile adversaries in Syria.


This is a less toxic version of Pakistan's broader approach to the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan. There, the Pakistani military and intelligence services have tolerated and at times encouraged a group known as the Haqqani Network (no relation to the ambassador) to become a lifeline for the Afghan Taliban and other terrorists attacking U.S. forces and the elected government in Kabul. At the same time, the Pakistanis have been important allies for the U.S. dating back to the Islamic insurgency against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and more recently against elements of al Qaeda since 2001. Of course when the U.S. finally tracked down Osama bin Laden, it found him living in the same town as Pakistan's prestigious military academy, Abbottabad.

Again, Turkey has not yet sunk to this level. But it's heading down this path. In the first years of the Syrian civil war after 2011, Turkey's border with that country was a sieve for new Islamic State recruits joining the short-lived caliphate in Raqqa. To this day, Turkey remains a friendly outpost for Hamas, the terror group that has run Gaza since 2007.

As a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey, Eric Edelman, told me this week: "Turkey is not Pakistan yet, but if it continues on the trajectory that Erdogan has put it on, there is a prospect it could become like Pakistan."

This is the deep challenge today for Washington. So far however the U.S. government has not shown Ankara the tough love necessary to stop Turkey's slide. The latest high-level visit for example, from Secretary of State Rex Tillerson last month, sought to paper over Turkey's campaign in Afrin and Erdogan's recent threat to deliver an "Ottoman slap" to the U.S.

This kind of short-term thinking is understandable, but it doesn't address the slow-motion disaster happening now in Turkey. Here it's important, at the very least, to draw some boundaries for Erdogan and convey that he cannot maintain the current relationship with the U.S. if he crosses them. A good starting point would be to demand Erdogan stop threatening U.S. soldiers.

In the meantime, it's telling that Turkey and Pakistan are getting closer. Last week at a meeting of the Financial Action Task Force, the international body to counter money laundering, it was Turkey that helped counter a U.S. move to place Pakistani banks on a watch list for financing terrorism. Given the direction Turkey is heading, it looks like they are hoping Pakistan may one day return the favor.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ally-turkey-is-turning-into-the-next-pakistan

An exaggeration I think.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Wow..... That was harsh. lol


An exaggeration I think.

Harsh but true.