Turkey 'in Europe's future,' Turkish PM says

[Hindustani78]

Turkish Army is an independent entity separated from the state. If it says: I would not participate in such mission, government cannot do anything. There are non written rules.

Turkey wont be participating and will take its position according Montreux convention.

Turkish military is part of Turkish establishment and its bounded to NATO alliance.


In Odessa, from 27 to 29 January held an initial planning conference bilateral Naval Forces of Ukraine and Navy US "Sea Breeze - 2015". In addition to Ukrainian and American sailors, the conference was attended by fleets and military attache in several countries and representatives of Ukrainian ministries and agencies.

 

[SouI]

Turkish military is part of Turkish establishment and its bounded to NATO alliance.


In Odessa, from 27 to 29 January held an initial planning conference bilateral Naval Forces of Ukraine and Navy US "Sea Breeze - 2015". In addition to Ukrainian and American sailors, the conference was attended by fleets and military attache in several countries and representatives of Ukrainian ministries and agencies.

Don't mind him, he is a bit delusional.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Turkish military is part of Turkish establishment and its bounded to NATO alliance.


In Odessa, from 27 to 29 January held an initial planning conference bilateral Naval Forces of Ukraine and Navy US "Sea Breeze - 2015". In addition to Ukrainian and American sailors, the conference was attended by fleets and military attache in several countries and representatives of Ukrainian ministries and agencies.

Ukraine is not in the NATO. Attack against Ukraine cannot be considered attack against NATO member, therefore NATO retaliation isnt necessary.

Don't mind him, he is a bit delusional.

Nobody minds you, either.

 

[SouI]

Ukraine is not in the NATO. Attack against Ukraine cannot be considered attack against NATO member, therefore NATO retaliation isnt necessary.



Nobody minds you, either.

You are delusional on the point that you think the army would not follow the commands of the government.

That indeed is a deep delusion, literally.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

You are delusional on the point that you think the army would not follow the commands of the government.

That indeed is a deep delusion, literally.

Army didnt follow the orders of the government many times in the past.

I bet you are too young to remember such events.

 

[Hindustani78]

Ukraine is not in the NATO. Attack against Ukraine cannot be considered attack against NATO member, therefore NATO retaliation isnt necessary.

Ukraine and NATO do have agreements and that relationship is turning more stronger.

Consultations and cooperation between NATO and Ukraine cover a wide range of areas identified in the 1997 Charter and the 2002 Action Plan. These include peace-support operations, defence and security sector reform, military-to-military cooperation, armaments, civil emergency planning, science and environment, and public information. Cooperation in all areas is currently being intensified to enhance Ukraine’s ability to provide for its own security. Specifically in the wake of the crisis, NATO is looking at new programmes to support defence capacity-building in critical areas such as logistics and standardization, command, control, communications and computers (C4), cyber defence, and military career transition. NATO will also provide assistance to Ukraine to rehabilitate injured military personnel.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Ukraine and NATO do have agreements and that relationship is turning more stronger.

Consultations and cooperation between NATO and Ukraine cover a wide range of areas identified in the 1997 Charter and the 2002 Action Plan. These include peace-support operations, defence and security sector reform, military-to-military cooperation, armaments, civil emergency planning, science and environment, and public information. Cooperation in all areas is currently being intensified to enhance Ukraine’s ability to provide for its own security. Specifically in the wake of the crisis, NATO is looking at new programmes to support defence capacity-building in critical areas such as logistics and standardization, command, control, communications and computers (C4), cyber defence, and military career transition. NATO will also provide assistance to Ukraine to rehabilitate injured military personnel.

There isnt any mention about NATO retaliating against attack on Ukrainian soil.

 

[Hindustani78]

There isnt any mention about NATO retaliating against attack on Ukrainian soil.

Ukraine parliament has eliminate nonaligned status which means it can fully co operate with NATO.

 

[SouI]

Army didnt follow the orders of the government many times in the past.

I bet you are too young to remember such events.

And in the recent times there have been more incidents than ever happened in older days.

Many countries have been totally/partly invaded, Turkish Armed Forces has done about 90% of its activities in the recent 8 years, countless global crises have occured.

Now tell me one simple example of TSK not following an order of the government in the last, say, 10 years.

Or wait, give an example from ANY TIME YOU WANT, and example of TSK not participating in a military campaign even though the gov. desired the other way around! C'mon, I double-triple dare you!

 

[The Silent One]

I personally believe Turkey will never join the EU neither will it be a part of Europe.

Nothing against the Turks, but the mind of the average European is clouded by ignorance & racism, so i doubt they will ever willingly accept muslims.

Hell, the French are complaining that Muslims form 5-8% of their National population, can you imagine the racket they'd make over Turkey's accension to the European Union (Muslims will then be 10-15% of the EU's population)

 

[Alienoz_TR]

And in the recent times there have been more incidents than ever happened in older days.

Many countries have been totally/partly invaded, Turkish Armed Forces has done about 90% of its activities in the recent 8 years, countless global crises have occured.

Now tell me one simple example of TSK not following an order of the government in the last, say, 10 years.

Or wait, give an example from ANY TIME YOU WANT, and example of TSK not participating in a military campaign even though the gov. desired the other way around! C'mon, I double-triple dare you!

necip torumtay - ekşi sözlük

Now stay aside. Let me do the talk.

Ukraine parliament has eliminate nonaligned status which means it can fully co operate with NATO.

Germany and Hungary refused to participate in this unnecessary conflict. So will Turkey do.

 

[SouI]

necip torumtay - ekşi sözlük

Now stay aside. Let me do the talk.



Germany and Hungary refused to participate in this unnecessary conflict. So will Turkey do.

What about it anyway? Did he not follow the orders of gov til 1990? He has been a part of the army since 1944 dude! 45 years of serving to the country and its government!

3 years of being a top general, 1 year to finish his normal time. Then he resigned by himself, which is accepted by the government.

So what are you talking about? We have gone into Afghanistan, Libya, Kosovo, we let US use our soil to attack northern Iraq, we have participated in countless military campaigns alongside with NATO, and no problem has ever occured.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

What about it anyway? Did he not follow the orders of gov til 1990? He has been a part of the army since 1944 dude! 45 years of serving to the country and its government!

Then he resigned by himself, which is accepted by the government.

So what are you talking about? We have gone into Afghanistan, Libya, Kosovo, we let US use our soil to attack northern Iraq, we have participated in countless military campaigns alongside with NATO, and no problem has ever occured.

Read Turgut Özal's plan to invade Iraq with USA. I am not a teacher, dont ask me everything.

 

[Hindustani78]

necip torumtay - ekşi sözlük

Now stay aside. Let me do the talk.



Germany and Hungary refused to participate in this unnecessary conflict. So will Turkey do.

NATO rapid response force is made of German, Dutch and Norwegian troops and that force is already in place and when it comes to Hungary then it has already open border points for Ukraine.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

NATO rapid response force is made of German, Dutch and Norwegian troops and that force is already in place and when it comes to Hungary then it has already open border points for Ukraine.

Since you know everything, I bet you also know Russian military doctrine regarding to the Straits/Bosphorus. Or not?