Turkey Continues Negotiations To Buy Long Range Missile Defense System From Eurosam

[Zarvan]

Eurosam SAMP/T Aster 30 air-defense system
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Turkey is continuing negotiations with Italian-French consortium, Eurosam for the purchase SAMP/Taster 30 long range missile defense system.

According to a report by Daily Sabah Sunday, Turkey is edging towards purchasing the missile defense system from Eorosam instead of Russian S-400 despite recent closeness with Moscow.

“If the ongoing talks reach maturity, the main procurement is going to address the country's urgent security needs via a short-term bridge solution and technology transfer and co-production will be considered as the long-term solution,” the daily quoted unnamed sources as saying.

Turkey's military procurement agency, the undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) and National Defense Ministry have been continuing negotiations with Eurosam to purchase the SAMP/T Aster 30, which is already in use in several NATO member countries, the daily reported.

In November 2015, Turkey canceled its $3.4 billion long-range missile defense system contract process, which was provisionally awarded to China in 2013 to produce its own indigenous system. Thereafter it was announced that two state-owned firms - Aselsan and Roketsan - were commissioned by the government to provide a future missile defense system.

Turkish defense companies Aselsan and Roketsan started a program to indigenously develop and produce short- and medium-altitude air defense systems in 2007, and in 2013 they completed the test launch of its first domestically developed and manufactured low-altitude air defense missile, Hisar-A, and set to work on Hisar-O, the medium-altitude system. However, Turkey is still not yet capable of producing long-range missile systems.

Defense industry sources said the designing, developing and producing stages of the indigenous system could take up to 10 years while underlining that the procurement of the SAMP/T Aster 30 system does not mean that Turkey has given up its desire to produce an indigenous system.

In the meantime, after the cancellation of the deal, Turkey was invited to the same bidders to cooperate with Turkish companies for the development of the system. A senior Eurosam official who spoke to Daily Sabah under condition of anonymity said that they are in favor of joint production and technology transfer as well as industrial partnership with Turkish defense industry firms in the case of long term cooperation. The SAMP/T Aster 30 system uses a network of sophisticated radars and sensors - including 3D phased array radar - enabling it to be highly effective against all types of air threats. The system can intercept missiles with a 600-kilometer range and it can operate in stand-alone mode or can be integrated in a coordinated network such as NATO missiles defense system.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16...sile_Defense_System_From_Eurosam#.V8fMLfl97IU

 

[mike2000 is back]

Eurosam SAMP/T Aster 30 air-defense system
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Turkey is continuing negotiations with Italian-French consortium, Eurosam for the purchase SAMP/Taster 30 long range missile defense system.

According to a report by Daily Sabah Sunday, Turkey is edging towards purchasing the missile defense system from Eorosam instead of Russian S-400 despite recent closeness with Moscow.

“If the ongoing talks reach maturity, the main procurement is going to address the country's urgent security needs via a short-term bridge solution and technology transfer and co-production will be considered as the long-term solution,” the daily quoted unnamed sources as saying.

Turkey's military procurement agency, the undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM) and National Defense Ministry have been continuing negotiations with Eurosam to purchase the SAMP/T Aster 30, which is already in use in several NATO member countries, the daily reported.

In November 2015, Turkey canceled its $3.4 billion long-range missile defense system contract process, which was provisionally awarded to China in 2013 to produce its own indigenous system. Thereafter it was announced that two state-owned firms - Aselsan and Roketsan - were commissioned by the government to provide a future missile defense system.

Turkish defense companies Aselsan and Roketsan started a program to indigenously develop and produce short- and medium-altitude air defense systems in 2007, and in 2013 they completed the test launch of its first domestically developed and manufactured low-altitude air defense missile, Hisar-A, and set to work on Hisar-O, the medium-altitude system. However, Turkey is still not yet capable of producing long-range missile systems.

Defense industry sources said the designing, developing and producing stages of the indigenous system could take up to 10 years while underlining that the procurement of the SAMP/T Aster 30 system does not mean that Turkey has given up its desire to produce an indigenous system.

In the meantime, after the cancellation of the deal, Turkey was invited to the same bidders to cooperate with Turkish companies for the development of the system. A senior Eurosam official who spoke to Daily Sabah under condition of anonymity said that they are in favor of joint production and technology transfer as well as industrial partnership with Turkish defense industry firms in the case of long term cooperation. The SAMP/T Aster 30 system uses a network of sophisticated radars and sensors - including 3D phased array radar - enabling it to be highly effective against all types of air threats. The system can intercept missiles with a 600-kilometer range and it can operate in stand-alone mode or can be integrated in a coordinated network such as NATO missiles defense system.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/16...sile_Defense_System_From_Eurosam#.V8fMLfl97IU

@Vergennes , @Markus, care to shed some light into this your Aster missile defence system you are selling to Turkey?
Looks quite potent.

 

[usernameless]

Turkey's interest in Russian missile system may spark new tension with NATO

Turkey's long-known desire to purchase a long-range air missile defense system has been a hot topic since 2013, but discussions have gained a new dimension after Turkey's possible purchase of a Russian S-400 missile system emerged following the recent Russian-Turkish rapprochement.

The story began when Turkey's military procurement agency, the undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), chose the China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) FD-2000 (HQ-9) long-range air and missile defense system over American and European competitors, including the Italian-French Eurosam's SAMP/T Aster 30 system, in September 2013. Due to heavy pressure from NATO in November 2015, Turkey announced that the deal was canceled. Following the decision, Turkish sources announced Ankara was planning to launch its own project to build a similar system, but in the light of the recent Russian-Turkish normalization process, purchasing and co-production of Russia's S-400 missile system have appeared as a viable option for Turkey.

Turkey's cooperation with Russia in the defense industry was one of the main agenda points at the meeting in St. Petersburg. "We will increase our cooperation [with Russia] in the defense industry,|" President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told reporters on Aug. 7 at a joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin after a two-hour bilateral discussion.

"We have to cooperate with other partners in buying and selling weapons systems because there are NATO allies who refuse to sell us air defense systems or share information with us. Here, we act in accordance with our national security," Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Aug. 15 in an interview with the German Bild newspaper, underlining that Turkey is one of the biggest supporters of NATO and the country has no intentions to leave it. On the same day as Çavuşoğlu's interview the Akşam daily reported that Turkish delegations have discussed the details of a purchase and even technology transfer in the co-production stage of Russia's S-400 long-range missile system in St. Petersburg on Aug. 7. "The co-production of the S-400 system might take years, thus my sources confirmed that Russia is even ready to send a stand-by missile system to Turkey as soon as they reach a deal," journalist Mahmut Gürer told Daily Sabah about the background of his story. Daily Sabah contacted the Russian Embassy in Ankara, but the embassy declined to comment on the issue.

As a NATO member country, Turkey's possible decision to purchase a Russian missile system is likely to raise the alliance's concern. Daily Sabah contacted NATO headquarters in Brussels and asked what its possible reaction would be if Turkey decides to purchase the S-400 systems. "It is up to each ally to make the decisions on its defense plans," a senior NATO official said. "At the same time, allies work closely together to make sure that we collectively have the necessary, deployable, interoperable and sustainable forces with the right equipment and training to be able to meet NATO's level of ambition and able to operate together and with partners."

"Turkey is a committed ally and we are confident that the Turkish government will continue to consult with allies as it develops its plans," the NATO official added.

Academics and defense industry experts believe that Turkey's decision could create renewed tension with NATO. Answering a question about whether purchasing the Russian system affects Turkish-NATO relations, Professor Dr. Mustafa Kibaroğlu from MEF University in Istanbul said that if Turkey decides to buy the Russian missile defense system, the reaction from most NATO allies will most likely be similar to their reactions to Turkey's negotiations with the Chinese firm a few years ago. "In addition to concerns over compatibility of the U.S.-origin Missile Shield that is now partially operational, also incorporating the radar system in Kürecik, Malatya, NATO allies will most probably express their grave concerns about the serious potential for the leakage of sensitive military information to Russia through the S-400 system if they are deployed in Turkey," Kibaroğlu said. "Should this happen, tension between Turkey and NATO may increase and irritating statements may be made by political as well as military figures from allied countries as was the case during the Chinese air defense deal a few years ago." Defense industry expert Arda Mevlütoğlu shared similar thoughts: "If Turkey goes for procuring the S-400 system, the consequences would be severer than the selection of the Chinese system in 2013 for the long-range air defense system [LORAMIDS] program." Mevlütoğlu also said that given that since relations between NATO and Russia are at their lowest level since the end of the Cold War, such a move would definitely have its complications in geopolitical, economic, military and industrial fronts. Defense industry researcher Turan Oğuz holds similar thoughts: "Keeping in mind the current tension between NATO and Russia, NATO will be deeply concerned and could try to discourage Turkey as they previously did for the Chinese FD-2000 air defense system." Oğuz also said that in case of a dead-end conflict, Turkey would end up operating its new air defense systems in standalone mode, like Greece did for its S-300s, but Oğuz stressed that if Turkey decides to use the Russian S-400 systems in standalone mode they definitely will be less effective. "I really doubt that an air defense system would cause withdrawal or expulsion from NATO," he said.

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/...issile-system-may-spark-new-tension-with-nato

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Due to a historic low-point in ties between Turkey and the US, the possibility of a deal with Russia may not be farfetched anymore.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

I think Turkey is already on the verge of being axed out from NATO for reinstating Death penalty in their country. Why care?

 

[usernameless]

I think Turkey is already on the verge of being axed out from NATO for reinstating Death penalty in their country. Why care?

There's nothing certain about the death penalty. Furthermore, the US, which is in the nato, already has the death penalty. Anyway this is off-topic.

 

[Saithan]

I think Turkey is already on the verge of being axed out from NATO for reinstating Death penalty in their country. Why care?

You need to read up on that info, you seem poorly informed on death penalty and NATO.

but it is news to me that S400 is on the table.

 

[what]

I think Turkey is already on the verge of being axed out from NATO for reinstating Death penalty in their country. Why care?

Oh boy, you are aware that USA are in NATO an have the death penalty?

If the death penalty was reintroduced (which it wont, because as usual it was probably just used for populism) Turkey could not enter the European Union, which is something different.

 

[SouI]

Defense industry sources said the designing, developing and producing stages of the indigenous system could take up to 10 years while underlining that the procurement of the SAMP/T Aster 30 system does not mean that Turkey has given up its desire to produce an indigenous system.

Bunu dediğimde eleştiri yağmuruna tutulmuştum.

When I said this before, I faced with a rain of criticism.

I think Turkey is already on the verge of being axed out from NATO for reinstating Death penalty in their country. Why care?

Are you, by any chance, mentally challenged? Just being curious.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

Bunu dediğimde eleştiri yağmuruna tutulmuştum.

When I said this before, I faced with a rain of criticism.


Are you, by any chance, mentally challenged? Just being curious.

sorry my bad, mixed the wrong post.

 

[UkroTurk]

NATO and death penalty??
NATO doesnt care about democracy.
It is not NATO. The European Union teaches us democracy.
They are right, they have some rules and we want to entegrate them. So we have to keep union agreements.

 

[T-123456]

Turkey's interest in Russian missile system may spark new tension with NATO

Turkey's long-known desire to purchase a long-range air missile defense system has been a hot topic since 2013, but discussions have gained a new dimension after Turkey's possible purchase of a Russian S-400 missile system emerged following the recent Russian-Turkish rapprochement.

The story began when Turkey's military procurement agency, the undersecretariat for the Defense Industry (SSM), chose the China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation (CPMIEC) FD-2000 (HQ-9) long-range air and missile defense system over American and European competitors, including the Italian-French Eurosam's SAMP/T Aster 30 system, in September 2013. Due to heavy pressure from NATO in November 2015, Turkey announced that the deal was canceled. Following the decision, Turkish sources announced Ankara was planning to launch its own project to build a similar system, but in the light of the recent Russian-Turkish normalization process, purchasing and co-production of Russia's S-400 missile system have appeared as a viable option for Turkey.

Turkey's cooperation with Russia in the defense industry was one of the main agenda points at the meeting in St. Petersburg. "We will increase our cooperation [with Russia] in the defense industry,|" President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan told reporters on Aug. 7 at a joint press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin after a two-hour bilateral discussion.

"We have to cooperate with other partners in buying and selling weapons systems because there are NATO allies who refuse to sell us air defense systems or share information with us. Here, we act in accordance with our national security," Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Aug. 15 in an interview with the German Bild newspaper, underlining that Turkey is one of the biggest supporters of NATO and the country has no intentions to leave it. On the same day as Çavuşoğlu's interview the Akşam daily reported that Turkish delegations have discussed the details of a purchase and even technology transfer in the co-production stage of Russia's S-400 long-range missile system in St. Petersburg on Aug. 7. "The co-production of the S-400 system might take years, thus my sources confirmed that Russia is even ready to send a stand-by missile system to Turkey as soon as they reach a deal," journalist Mahmut Gürer told Daily Sabah about the background of his story. Daily Sabah contacted the Russian Embassy in Ankara, but the embassy declined to comment on the issue.

As a NATO member country, Turkey's possible decision to purchase a Russian missile system is likely to raise the alliance's concern. Daily Sabah contacted NATO headquarters in Brussels and asked what its possible reaction would be if Turkey decides to purchase the S-400 systems. "It is up to each ally to make the decisions on its defense plans," a senior NATO official said. "At the same time, allies work closely together to make sure that we collectively have the necessary, deployable, interoperable and sustainable forces with the right equipment and training to be able to meet NATO's level of ambition and able to operate together and with partners."

"Turkey is a committed ally and we are confident that the Turkish government will continue to consult with allies as it develops its plans," the NATO official added.

Academics and defense industry experts believe that Turkey's decision could create renewed tension with NATO. Answering a question about whether purchasing the Russian system affects Turkish-NATO relations, Professor Dr. Mustafa Kibaroğlu from MEF University in Istanbul said that if Turkey decides to buy the Russian missile defense system, the reaction from most NATO allies will most likely be similar to their reactions to Turkey's negotiations with the Chinese firm a few years ago. "In addition to concerns over compatibility of the U.S.-origin Missile Shield that is now partially operational, also incorporating the radar system in Kürecik, Malatya, NATO allies will most probably express their grave concerns about the serious potential for the leakage of sensitive military information to Russia through the S-400 system if they are deployed in Turkey," Kibaroğlu said. "Should this happen, tension between Turkey and NATO may increase and irritating statements may be made by political as well as military figures from allied countries as was the case during the Chinese air defense deal a few years ago." Defense industry expert Arda Mevlütoğlu shared similar thoughts: "If Turkey goes for procuring the S-400 system, the consequences would be severer than the selection of the Chinese system in 2013 for the long-range air defense system [LORAMIDS] program." Mevlütoğlu also said that given that since relations between NATO and Russia are at their lowest level since the end of the Cold War, such a move would definitely have its complications in geopolitical, economic, military and industrial fronts. Defense industry researcher Turan Oğuz holds similar thoughts: "Keeping in mind the current tension between NATO and Russia, NATO will be deeply concerned and could try to discourage Turkey as they previously did for the Chinese FD-2000 air defense system." Oğuz also said that in case of a dead-end conflict, Turkey would end up operating its new air defense systems in standalone mode, like Greece did for its S-300s, but Oğuz stressed that if Turkey decides to use the Russian S-400 systems in standalone mode they definitely will be less effective. "I really doubt that an air defense system would cause withdrawal or expulsion from NATO," he said.

http://www.dailysabah.com/politics/...issile-system-may-spark-new-tension-with-nato

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Due to a historic low-point in ties between Turkey and the US, the possibility of a deal with Russia may not be farfetched anymore.

Ths STAMP/T is an old system and they said we would by two batteries from Italy as a stopgap until the MEADS is ready and now we read about interest in the S-400,its getting confusing.

When I said this before, I faced with a rain of criticism.

The indigenous system to be ready or the acquisition of the STAMP/T?

 

[Rukarl]

What happened to Turkish HQ-9 deal?

@Vergennes , @Markus, care to shed some light into this your Aster missile defence system you are selling to Turkey?
Looks quite potent.

Bro I tagged you in a thread in Iran section air defence, how come you did not reply?

 

[mike2000 is back]

What happened to Turkish HQ-9 deal?




Bro I tagged you in a thread in Iran section air defence, how come you did not reply?

I didn't it bruv. Seems I don't get notifications anymore for some strange reason.

 

[Rukarl]

I didn't it bruv. Seems I don't get notifications anymore for some strange reason.

Yeah, the forum's notification system seems to have a glitch. I had tagged you here:

https://defence.pk/threads/breaking-bavar-373-air-defense-system-shown-for-first-time.445324/page-10

Thank this comment so I know you got the link. I'll remove this comment afterwards. Don't want to take this thread off topic.

 

[Oublious]

The winner is Eurosam...