Turkey considers Russian Su-57 or Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s

[xbat]

no we dont need Russian plane, its effectiveness will be very short, our infrastructure is not suitable for a complex russian machine. if we get them, su-35s will spend their time in hangars, i mean much of time, no thanks!

 

[CAN_TR]

I would say modernized F-16 with AESA radar, new electronics... could compete with SU-35.
Why wasting +70 millions for each when you can modernize your whole fleet for the price of few SU‘s.

I personally would buy it only if Russians sell it with engine ToT. (not likely)

 

[Mithridates]

ToT, just like China.

russia did not give a TOT to china.

 

[UzaySan]

I would say modernized F-16 with AESA radar, new electronics... could compete with SU-35.

This. We should upgrade our F-16 fleet using Özgür project and newly developing aselsan aesa radar

 

[Mithridates]

Özgür project and newly developing aselsan aesa radar

for god sake someone gives information about the radar.

 

[Timur]

I would say modernized F-16 with AESA radar, new electronics... could compete with SU-35.
Why wasting +70 millions for each when you can modernize your whole fleet for the price of few SU‘s.

I personally would buy it only if Russians sell it with engine ToT. (not likely)

That makes sence

Aesa and new instruments and higher ranges of our missiles would boost our f16

But it is just a gap filler we have to focus on our own two fighter jets and push for jet powered uav

 

[Glass]

Su 35 isn't an alternative for F35.
To replace F-4s we might look for gripens, typhoons.

Typhoon since a huge workshare is from the brits. They make the least trouble but options should always be open. We right now see who the west is and we see where the west is heading.

 

[FarHome19]

I would say modernized F-16 with AESA radar, new electronics... could compete with SU-35.

Not really they aren’t in the same class.
f-16 lacks OLS/IRST, vector thrust, Irbis-e(hybrid PESA ~400km) and the su35 has undoubtedly one of the strongest EW jammer(Khibiny). Not to mention twin engine which is ideal for the Aegean.

IMO it’s a good deal for an air superiority fighter.

 

[Timur]

Typhoon since a huge workshare is from the brits. They make the least trouble but options should always be open. We right now see who the west is and we see where the west is heading.

germans are butthurt.. their media is extreemly bitchy and full of hate.. Goebbels would be proud of them if he would see their current status..

typhoon would be the worst case scenario for us with germany intefering I dont know who is worser enemy for us germans or pkk

IMO it’s a good deal for an air superiority fighter.

as I stated out it would be a good deal if it would have been made decade before..

 

[Saithan]

I think the SU is a move to put pressure on the US with regards to the F-35. The S400 in our hands is proof that we'll go for the SU if the US doesn't step forward and we resolve the issue regarding F-35. We can always drag this out and we can always let the SU rot in a hangar, what matters is the political and economic pressure it'll display.

 

[Rogue1]

I think the SU is a move to put pressure on the US with regards to the F-35. The S400 in our hands is proof that we'll go for the SU if the US doesn't step forward and we resolve the issue regarding F-35. We can always drag this out and we can always let the SU rot in a hangar, what matters is the political and economic pressure it'll display.

Why would you let an SU35 rot in a hangar? If a military establishment cannot adapt to using all and any weapons that are at its disposal, then they have little hope. Where do they get these ideas that Turks have to use Western/Nato standard weapons because of training, infrastructure nonsense.
This is bullshit that you have been fed and now you start to believe it. Also the same bullshit that Eastern Arms are worthless.
Please understand that Pakistan also was and is a major user of US and Western aircraft. We also have a history with Chinese built MiGs as well as Chinese aircraft. Why did we do this? it's not because we had more money than sense, but because of sanctions, threat of sanctions and also to give us a better understanding of enemy weapons and also give our enemy a wider spectrum to defend against.

Western weaponry will not protect you from a western attack, remember that and that is where the attack is most likely to come.

And on top of that the SU35 in the right hands, will scare the shit out of any enemy before it even fires a missile.

 

[Saithan]

Why would you let an SU35 rot in a hangar? If a military establishment cannot adapt to using all and any weapons that are at its disposal, then they have little hope. Where do they get these ideas that Turks have to use Western/Nato standard weapons because of training, infrastructure nonsense.
This is bullshit that you have been fed and now you start to believe it. Also the same bullshit that Eastern Arms are worthless.
Please understand that Pakistan also was and is a major user of US and Western aircraft. We also have a history with Chinese built MiGs as well as Chinese aircraft. Why did we do this? it's not because we had more money than sense, but because of sanctions, threat of sanctions and also to give us a better understanding of enemy weapons and also give our enemy a wider spectrum to defend against.

Western weaponry will not protect you from a western attack, remember that and that is where the attack is most likely to come.

And on top of that the SU35 in the right hands, will scare the shit out of any enemy before it even fires a missile.

You're probably reading too much into what I wrote, or just misunderstood. Yes, of course we'll be able to use whatever we buy, the point with my post was that we'll use the SU card as a means to put pressure on the US for resolving the F-35 issue, remember that Turkey is already delivering parts to the F-35, so we got money in it as well.

 

[rajvoSa]

Erdogans meeting with Trump will probably play a huge role in this space, too.

 

[Rogue1]

Turks have been operation Patriots, are in partnership with European SAM program and they are making their own SAM, so why buy S400? For the same reason that they will purchase a Russian fighter. This will add to the R&D for their indigenous program. Take two different, proven doctrines and develop a third doctrine.

 

[Oublious]

Turks have been operation Patriots, are in partnership with European SAM program and they are making their own SAM, so why buy S400? For the same reason that they will purchase a Russian fighter. This will add to the R&D for their indigenous program. Take two different, proven doctrines and develop a third doctrine.

S400 is urgent need and have nothing to do with our own SAM defence program.