Turkey and Israel on the edge of opening a new era in relations

[mike2000 is back]

Sure,,, giving up isnt a option

You complain about immigration into the U.K and most of those people are in the UK either because of your colonial past e.g occupation of india for 200 years, or your recent foreign policy screw ups so libya, iraq/syria.


In Palestine you have russian jews, European jews, American jews treating the local people like aborigines or native americans stealing their lands and homes, treating the like second class citizens (in israel) under siege in gaza or in apartheid type ghettos in the west bank


Why is this ok, this is a injustice upon a innocent people who had nothing to do with the holocaust


And yes, the occupation is ongoing of Palestine hence the resistance is ongoing

By filling up israel gaza and the west bank with more and more local muslims making them a outright majority over tine you make the dream of a democratic jew state impossible

Just because it takes a long time to defeat a oppressor dosent mean you should stop trying

Bro calm down and think more straight. How many Jews are there in Israel, and How many Arabs/Muslims are there in the middle east? Israel is basically surrounded by Arab/Muslim countries). The Jews are barely 4-5 million, while for example Iran/Egypt alone are almost 90 million strong, KSA over 30 million,Turkey over 75 million etc etc. Then how come Israel has still not been wiped out? How come its still so powerful/achieve hegemony in the region? In fact its growing even more powerful with each passing day/year. loool Thing is when someone is smarter/wiser than you accept it and learn from them so you can catch up and maybe surpass them in future, no Shame in that. Better than burying your head in the sand, and being left even more behind. lol

So you can keep believing in out breeding the Israelis/Jews, since you all know you cant beat them. That will be the best thing that could happen to Israel. Don't think about investing more in R&D, education,science, technology, industrializing, reforming your backward Islamic laws that holds back your country potential(drives your smart youths to the west) etc, keep thinking of out breeding the world/ranting against Israel instead. lol

Insanity is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different results.

 

[New World]

They fought for it and won it with their blood right after the holocaust, their state is as legitimate as can be

lets make it simple Holocaust happens to jews of Europe (Germany,Austria,Hungary,Poland etc), how and why they have legitimate right on Palestine??

let's assume that Russia is killing its own christian people and having war with Ukraine and USA came to save those people and take them from war zone and China allow them to live In Inner Mongolia until war doesn't end, and soon their population grow and they start rebelling in China to make Inner Mongolia as their Country because some 1000 years ago christians were living their and they call those christians as their ancestors..

 

[hussain0216]

Bro calm down and think more straight. How many Jews are there in Israel, and How many Arabs/Muslims are there in the middle east? Israel is basically surrounded by Arab/Muslim countries). The Jews are barely 4-5 million, while for example Iran/Egypt alone are almost 90 million strong, KSA over 30 million,Turkey over 75 million etc etc. Then how come Israel has still not been wiped out? How come its still so powerful/achieve hegemony in the region? In fact its growing even more powerful with each passing day/year. loool Thing is when someone is smarter/wiser than you accept it and learn from them so you can catch up and maybe surpass them in future, no Shame in that. Better than burying your head in the sand, and being left even more behind. lol

So you can keep believing in out breeding the Israelis/Jews, since you all know you cant beat them. That will be the best thing that could happen to Israel. Don't think about investing more in R&D, education,science, technology, industrializing, reforming your backward Islamic laws that holds back your country potential(drives your smart youths to the west) etc, keep thinking of out breeding the world/ranting against Israel instead. lol

Insanity is doing the same thing time and time again and expecting different results.

Yes the jews are only 5 million, but they have had unparalleled 64 year of unprecedented support from the world's superpower both financial, political and military.


Times change, power comes and goes and the idea that the muslim world with all its mass, resources and population wont begin to become powerful again over time is incredibly short sighted

Even today Egypt and Turkey would be able to defeat israel ir at a minimum fight it to a destructive standstill israels victories decades ago against poorly lead, ill equipped arab armies with little plan should be understood in its context

On a different note of course we should improve, learn, develop and become better tge muslim world is a massive place its not just a few countries in the middle east

Turkey, GCC, places like Malaysia or Indonesia have come a long way even Pakistan is on the verge of a economic uplift if it keeps going

Things are changing

The muslim world will increase beyond 2 billion in the coming decades

Israel took peace from the Palestinians so why do they deserve peace and acceptance and i mean all jews not just israelis


Keep going, keep growing, keep resisting you don't know what tomorrow will hold

But this rubbish of accepting israel ir being friends whilst they occupy Palestine is intolerable

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Erdogan is a brainless Islamist asshole, what else is new?

Sad to see a Muslim country having relations with the Zionist entity.

Despite the rhetoric you often might hear, Islamists typically love to be slaves of the Anglo-Zionist Empire.....

 

[Aryan122]

Yes the jews are only 5 million, but they have had unparalleled 64 year of unprecedented support from the world's superpower both financial, political and military.


Times change, power comes and goes and the idea that the muslim world with all its mass, resources and population wont begin to become powerful again over time is incredibly short sighted

Even today Egypt and Turkey would be able to defeat israel ir at a minimum fight it to a destructive standstill israels victories decades ago against poorly lead, ill equipped arab armies with little plan should be understood in its context

On a different note of course we should improve, learn, develop and become better tge muslim world is a massive place its not just a few countries in the middle east

Turkey, GCC, places like Malaysia or Indonesia have come a long way even Pakistan is on the verge of a economic uplift if it keeps going

Things are changing

The muslim world will increase beyond 2 billion in the coming decades

Israel took peace from the Palestinians so why do they deserve peace and acceptance and i mean all jews not just israelis


Keep going, keep growing, keep resisting you don't know what tomorrow will hold

But this rubbish of accepting israel ir being friends whilst they occupy Palestine is intolerable

You are interested in discussing the truth about palestine? come to this topic i had a great discussion with a brother about this issue. You can have answers to all of your questions.
Turkey's View of Israel | Page 2
Turkey's View of Israel | Page 3

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Sad to see a Muslim country having relations with the Zionist entity.

When Muslims countries are assisting in ethnic dilutions of fellow Muslims like below, why would one care about Zionist entities?

¶1. (C) Egyptian Embassy Officer Haitham Safey (protect) told PolOff July 30 that PRC efforts to quash a proposed statement by the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) condemning the Chinese government's response to the July 5 unrest in Xinjiang and its treatment of Muslim Uighurs (reftels) had succeeded. He said that the effort, led at China's behest by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, had led to the cancellation of debate on the subject scheduled for July 21, and the concept of a declaration on Xinjiang was now dead. He added that China had lobbied Turkey on the issue as well, dispatching an MFA Department Director General fluent in Turkish to Ankara to seek to reduce Sino-Turkish tensions and head off the proposed statement

. ¶2. (C) Safey reported that, in the negotiations over the proposed statement, China had agreed to invite OIC Secretary-General Ihsanoglu to visit Xinjiang and assess the situation of Uighurs there on behalf of the OIC, a concession that China had initially opposed. He said that China had since attempted to delay the scheduling of Ihsanoglu's travel, using the upcoming Ramadan period as a reason to delay the visit at least through the end of September. He suggested that China would attempt to further delay the visit after the conclusion of Ramadan.

¶3. (C) Safey added that international fallout from the Xinjiang violence had prompted China to seek observer status in the OIC, but he speculated that prospects for this effort were dim due to the high bar for granting observership as well as concerns among member countries that the PRC might seek to use the organization as a forum for justifying the abuse of Muslim minorities. GOLDBERG

Cable reference id: [HASHTAG]#09BEIJING2185[/HASHTAG]


Turkey realizes its alone and making pragmatic decisions.

 

[500]

??????? Are you trying to legitimise occupation, oppresxion and theft

Its these kinds of actions which got you jews the holocaust

You cry for Palestinians yet you ignore the fact that they live better than majority of Muslims in the world. In same time you ignore Syria and Iran who literally starve to death ur beloved Palestinians in Yarmouk and Ghouta.

 

[xenon54 out]

The jews got what they deserved

They have occupied Palestine and created and immense amount of hatred for themselves

By that logic all muslims deserve what is coming at them, you know isis and such stuff.

 

[hussain0216]

You cry for Palestinians yet you ignore the fact that they live better than majority of Muslims in the world. In same time you ignore Syria and Iran who literally starve to death ur beloved Palestinians in Yarmouk and Ghouta.

We dont ignore any suffering

But why should suffering anywhere else in the world excuse you of the suffering you have inflicted upon the Palestinians

White Europeans caused the holocaust yet jews chose to take the peace and happiness if a innocent people for your own greed

 

[Aryan122]

We dont ignore any suffering

But why should suffering anywhere else in the world excuse you of the suffering you have inflicted upon the Palestinians

White Europeans caused the holocaust yet jews chose to take the peace and happiness if a innocent people for your own greed

What he means is that why is it that you dont seem to be concerned about the 300 thousand muslims who were killed in chechnya by the russians during the last 20 years. Why is it that you attack jews and go so far to deny their right to statehood but do not question Turkey that was established on the blood of 1.5 million armenians and the displacement of the remaining 1 million. Google western Armenia and see what you get.
Are you palestinian? Then you have no right to single out Israel only a Palestinian or an Israeli can raise the standards for his country or cause. I guess you are another cluless guy who has absolutely no idea about the middle east. I can see that from you repeating the holocust argument. I could refute that argument by poiting out that there were nearly half million jews in palestine before the holocust. Feel free to look this up. In 1937 the peel comission estimated the numbers to be around 411 thousand. Thats even before the second world war.
One more thing get off the internet. Dont use google or facebook since these were all pioneered by jews. Dont use any computer that has intel. You can study the internet history and see the significant contribution jewish scientist and engineers made to the development of internet technology. You want to critize Israel be my guest but stop acting so mean.

 

[NL_Turk]

Im not sure about how dumb you are

What do muslims in israel abd how they live have anything to do with the occupation of palestinian land, the oppression of muslims across gaza, west bank and occupied Palestine

What you are saying is that its ok to steal someones lamds and homes as long as you treat some of them ok

Then what would you advise Israel to do with a couple million people who's only goal is to destroy Israel and the Jewish people besides using force?
Please explain to me, because apparently I am really dumb.