Turkey and Indonesia to develop medium tank

[LegionnairE]

PINDAD Unveils Locally Made Tracked APC
Posted on October 31, 2013 by hafizuddinsulaiman

Indonesia’s PT PINDAD has unveiled its locally developed tracked APC prototype codename the SBS. The prototype is said to be within the medium tank range and is envisaged to be operated alongside with the German made Marder 1A3 IFV, 50 of which being acquired for TNI-AD.



PT PINDAD has been producing several armoured vehicles for the Indonesian National Army or TNI. These include APS-3 Anoa 6×6 APC as well as Komodo armoured vehicle.

PINDAD Unveils Locally Made Tracked APC | malaysiaflyingherald

And there is a turret version also....

looks and feels like BMD

 

[BDforever]

@Kaan it is too much light tank. want like mbt2000 type tank

 

[cabatli_53]

Indonesia awarded FNSS to work on Modern Tank Project. Turkey and Indonesia signed the Memorandum of Understanding at Indo Defence 2014 exhibition. The tank will be at medium weight and agreement covers joint project development and joint prototype production. FNSS will play an important role at joint platform development. ASELSAN, will take place at fire control and electronic system integration process. Tank will have 25/30 tonnes weight and will be equipped with 105 mm cannon and 7,62 mm machine gun. PT Pindad Company will be partner company. Tank will be capable of manoeuvring in tropical enviroment and wet ground.
http://www.c4defence.com/en/news/jak...n-tank-project

against Tulpar

 

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Nice photoshop

 

[cabatli_53]

Nice photoshop

Bro, Are you sure that It is photoshop ? Because It looks like 3D revealed by Pindad..

 

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Bro, Are you sure that It is photoshop ? Because It looks like 3D revealed by Pindad..

Those indonesians are very active determining what the Light tank will look like.

From these

to this

then this

and lastly photoshop

@Indos

 

[xxxKULxxx]

Indonesia awarded FNSS to work on Modern Tank Project. Turkey and Indonesia signed the Memorandum of Understanding at Indo Defence 2014 exhibition. The tank will be at medium weight and agreement covers joint project development and joint prototype production. FNSS will play an important role at joint platform development. ASELSAN, will take place at fire control and electronic system integration process. Tank will have 25/30 tonnes weight and will be equipped with 105 mm cannon and 7,62 mm machine gun. PT Pindad Company will be partner company. Tank will be capable of manoeuvring in tropical enviroment and wet ground.
http://www.c4defence.com/en/news/jak...n-tank-project

against Tulpar

Bro. why you said Indonesian Medium Tank VS TULPAR ? Isn't TULPAR an IFV ?

 

[cabatli_53]

Those indonesians are very active determining what the Light tank will look like.

From these

to this

then this

and lastly photoshop

@Indos

Impressive indeed.

Bro. why you said Indonesian Medium Tank VS TULPAR ? Isn't TULPAR an IFV ?

Bro, Both are similar class platform excluding turrets.

 

[Indos]

Those indonesians are very active determining what the Light tank will look like.

From these

to this

then this

and lastly photoshop

@Indos

The turret will be 105 mm from CMI, PT Pindad has cooperation with CMI to produce their turret here in Indonesia for our IFV and tanks

CMI 105 mm turret


Like this one, our IFV using 90 mm turret from CMI

 

[Indos]

This is the look

First two prototypes of Turkish-Indonesian medium tank should be unveiled in 2015 ~ ASEAN Military Defense Review

Posted by Maki Catama on 1:16 AM
ANKARA / JAKARTA, -- During a work visit of Indonesian parliamentarians to PT Pindad (Persero) regarding PT Pindad (Persero) cooperation with Turkey for the medium tank, Major General TNI (Purn.) Supiadin Aries Saputra representing his group said: “

This visit was held to gather information and its specifics regarding the development of defense cooperation between Pindad and Turkey, as well as the response from Ministry of Defense and TNI to support the implementation of the cooperation”.

the President Director of PT Pindad (Persero) Silmy Karim, in response to the regarding matter, said that this joint project of Indonesia-Turkey regarding the medium tank had been initiated since long ago, though Pindad analytical skill continued. “This cooperation has been initiated since long ago by the Government, in fact the signing has been done since year 2013.

In manufacturing and testing Pindad is ready. Although, there are some technologies that still need the assistance from partners such as turret and firing control system, navigation system, and self-defense system. We want to make a medium tank with the perfection on the mobility, fire powder, and survivability,” he added.

The schedule to processing project had been made. If nothing went wrong, in 2015, one unit of prototype will be made in Indonesia and another one in Turkey. The communication has been maintained intensively between Ministry of defense of Indonesia and SavunmaSanayiiMustesarligi (SSM), Ministry of Defense of Turkey.

“For the progress of B2B, some of workers of Pindad have been sent to learn the welding technique of aluminum armored that is used as the raw material of the medium tank,” said President Director of Pindad Silmy Karim. He also admitted he felt optimistic that this project would run well in the future. “We are optimistic that medium tank program will run well because the industrial technology capacity of Indonesia and Turkey are good enough,” he closed.

@Combat-Master @Hakan @xxxKULxxx[/USER] @madmusti @isoo

 

[Kamil_baku]

This is the look

First two prototypes of Turkish-Indonesian medium tank should be unveiled in 2015 ~ ASEAN Military Defense Review

Posted by Maki Catama on 1:16 AM
ANKARA / JAKARTA, -- During a work visit of Indonesian parliamentarians to PT Pindad (Persero) regarding PT Pindad (Persero) cooperation with Turkey for the medium tank, Major General TNI (Purn.) Supiadin Aries Saputra representing his group said: “

This visit was held to gather information and its specifics regarding the development of defense cooperation between Pindad and Turkey, as well as the response from Ministry of Defense and TNI to support the implementation of the cooperation”.

the President Director of PT Pindad (Persero) Silmy Karim, in response to the regarding matter, said that this joint project of Indonesia-Turkey regarding the medium tank had been initiated since long ago, though Pindad analytical skill continued. “This cooperation has been initiated since long ago by the Government, in fact the signing has been done since year 2013.

In manufacturing and testing Pindad is ready. Although, there are some technologies that still need the assistance from partners such as turret and firing control system, navigation system, and self-defense system. We want to make a medium tank with the perfection on the mobility, fire powder, and survivability,” he added.

The schedule to processing project had been made. If nothing went wrong, in 2015, one unit of prototype will be made in Indonesia and another one in Turkey. The communication has been maintained intensively between Ministry of defense of Indonesia and SavunmaSanayiiMustesarligi (SSM), Ministry of Defense of Turkey.

“For the progress of B2B, some of workers of Pindad have been sent to learn the welding technique of aluminum armored that is used as the raw material of the medium tank,” said President Director of Pindad Silmy Karim. He also admitted he felt optimistic that this project would run well in the future. “We are optimistic that medium tank program will run well because the industrial technology capacity of Indonesia and Turkey are good enough,” he closed.

@Combat-Master @Hakan @xxxKULxxx[/USER] @madmusti @isoo

It will probably also be able to swim in the water. the reason they will keep the weight not more than 30T, as FNSS did with KORKUT system which is also 30T and still can swim. It will give huge advantage to Indonesian forces...

 

[Kambojaric]

@Kaan it is too much light tank. want like mbt2000 type tank

Maybe Indonesia's geography plays a role in this. Lots of islands means these tanks will probably need to be carried around on ships. The more weight, the less tanks you can transport.

Indonesia already has these tank carriers (List of tank landing ships - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I wonder how many tanks they can take in one go.

 

[Indos]

Maybe Indonesia's geography plays a role in this. Lots of islands means these tanks will probably need to be carried around on ships. The more weight, the less tanks you can transport.

Indonesia already has these tank carriers (List of tank landing ships - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I wonder how many tanks they can take in one go.

That is an old info, we have made more LST and dont forget 4 of our new LPD

 

[Kambojaric]

That is an old info, we have made more LST and dont forget 4 of our new LPD

Thanks for that. So do you think the light weight of this tank is based on the geography of Indonesia or are there other factors involved?

 

[Indos]

Thanks for that. So do you think the light weight of this tank is based on the geography of Indonesia or are there other factors involved?

Our Army in the old days prefers light tank than MBT, but Today we also have Leopard MBT. I think Today with a new turret and ammunition technology, a medium tank can be more effective than MBT according to some military analyst at war situation. The maneuverability and its weight is also quite important aspect to consider of why some nation prefers light or medium tank than MBT.

Beside that, there is also another reason, medium tank can also be converted into amphibious version. For your information, we have one of the largest Marine force in the world, we have around 29.000 Marine troops and will be added gradually in the near future. Our Marine force is also regarded as one of the best unit in our Armed Force beside Kostrad unit (Army/ 27.000 strength) and Kopassus unit (Army Special Force/ 8000 strength )

So as @Kamil_baku has mentioned earlier, this tank is likely to have its amphibious version in the future, so PT Pindad and Turkish company can broaden the market in Indonesia as it can serve both Army and Marine Forces. Previous PT Pindad APV (Anoa) also get converted into amphibious version to serve our Marine needs. It is a very smart move from PT Pindad though.

In term of geography, I believe we have enough infrastructure now to make MBT can function effectively during war, but each tank has its own advantage, so better we combine them. I believe in the future we also can consider to make MBT if we see that it is important to have many of them.