Turk top general warns extremists should be avoided in Pakistan

[dabong1]

Presently, we seem to be fair game for friends and foes. The latest salvo is from a Turkish general in terms of our nuclear assets. We know that Turkey is a staunch US ally in NATO, but we have emotively bound ourselves to the Turkish people for decades -- and have lent unquestioning support for the cause of the Turkish Cypriots when, apart from Bangladesh, almost all the world spurned them. If the Turks had any concerns regarding Pakistan, did they have to express them publicly at an international conference organised by the Turkish military? Incidentally, at this conference the Turks also chose to invite a BJP-linked scholar to talk on Kashmir -- so, obviously, there are new undercurrents in the Pakistan-Turkey relationship that should be a cause for concern in Islamabad. After all, it was not too long ago that the Turkish government was also found hosting a US-funded conference to discuss the whole issue of the "Durand Line."
Looking out for Pakistan first

 

[Always Neutral]

AN whether it is from US a country where a bomber flies away with nuclear tripped crusie missles and no one knows about it or whether it is turkey where suddenly an army chief stands up and say something that is none of his bloody business, the point is that our nuclear weapons are safe, as safe as they can be in anyother country, so extremist having access to them is nothing more then a personal BS first created by the WEST in paticular the US. As for the jumping point of view well you need to understand that pakistan did not jumped the first time when US said so, it was not until US got completely out of its freaking mind and started talking about a military action against our nuclear programe. And so it was our right to respond to that. That however is not the case with turkey as turkey has not reached the same level. If they do i'm sure the GOP will respond.
By the way we are not bound in anyway to give clearifications over our nuclear programe to every nation who sudenly jumps up and start posing it as a threat, we dont asks for theirs and we certainly dont appreciate theirs.

Dear Ice C,

I totally agree with you that there is no indications that Pakistan's nukes are unsafe or that Pakistan needs to react to any comments on its nukes.

My post was to show that

1. The Gen who commented in Turkey is no riff raff but is bum chum with Gen M so its suprising why he is making such comments in public.

2. There are enough Ummah lovers here who want to unite with Turkey and re-establish the 2nd comming of the Caliphite and they should note Turkey's comments before posting ideas of a new Caliphite.

Regards

 

[ashfaque]

I do not understand why our friends are reacting to this extent. This is comment and warning to new political system of Pakistan by Gen Musharf’s. friend.

But bad part is that, it is some how a wrong comment by Turk top general for Pakistan, it simply humiliates Pakistan at world stage. A friend should give such kind of suggestion personally and not publicly.

 

[Majnun]

If all of you start going against Turks, well then, if not Turkey, Pakistan has no firends. Not China, not America, not any country.

 

[su-47]

If all of you start going against Turks, well then, if not Turkey, Pakistan has no firends. Not China, not America, not any country.

Bro, no country has friends. What every country has is political interests. as the political landscpae changes, allies and enemies change. the best example:
in 1917 USA, Britain, France, Italy and Japan are fighting against Germany and Austria-Hungary.

In 1940s USA, Russia, Britain and China are fighting against Germany, Italy and Japan.

In late 1940s USA, Britain, Japan, France and West Germany are allied against Russia, Hungary and China.

In the space of 30 years, check how much the political landscape of the world changed.

the rule is simple: friends and enemies are not permanent. only interests are permanent

 

[IceCold]

2. There are enough Ummah lovers here who want to unite with Turkey and re-establish the 2nd comming of the Caliphite and they should note Turkey's comments before posting ideas of a new Caliphite.

Regards

Lol! i couldnt agree more.New Caliphite

 

[fatman17]

i think we should understand the underlying message of the turkish general that the new pak govt cannot change tack in the middle of this unfinished business of fighting extremism. he is supporting what Gen Kiyani and the PA are currently doing in the waziristan area.
what if (?) the new govt decides to withdraw all 120,000 PA regulars from the waziristan and FATA area. can we predict what will happen?

 

[Majnun]

Bro, no country has friends. What every country has is political interests. as the political landscpae changes, allies and enemies change. the best example:
in 1917 USA, Britain, France, Italy and Japan are fighting against Germany and Austria-Hungary.

In 1940s USA, Russia, Britain and China are fighting against Germany, Italy and Japan.

In late 1940s USA, Britain, Japan, France and West Germany are allied against Russia, Hungary and China.

In the space of 30 years, check how much the political landscape of the world changed.

the rule is simple: friends and enemies are not permanent. only interests are permanent

Political interests aside, Pakistan and Turkey are more than allies, they are friends. Over the past six decades, Turkey has always sided with Pakistan over issues such as Kashmir, when it could have supported the much stronger India. A couple of months ago, only the Turkish president would come to Pakistan and offer his complete support and faith. That isn't a political interest of Turkey in any way, shape or form.

 

[Majnun]

Presently, we seem to be fair game for friends and foes. The latest salvo is from a Turkish general in terms of our nuclear assets. We know that Turkey is a staunch US ally in NATO, but we have emotively bound ourselves to the Turkish people for decades -- and have lent unquestioning support for the cause of the Turkish Cypriots when, apart from Bangladesh, almost all the world spurned them. If the Turks had any concerns regarding Pakistan, did they have to express them publicly at an international conference organised by the Turkish military? Incidentally, at this conference the Turks also chose to invite a BJP-linked scholar to talk on Kashmir -- so, obviously, there are new undercurrents in the Pakistan-Turkey relationship that should be a cause for concern in Islamabad. After all, it was not too long ago that the Turkish government was also found hosting a US-funded conference to discuss the whole issue of the "Durand Line."
Looking out for Pakistan first

And if there weren't an Indian scholar, what credibility whatsoever would it then have?
And Turkey has always given Pakistan complete support over Kashmir just like Pakistan has given Turkey complete support over Cyprus.
During 1971 war, a soldier was sent to get weapons and such from Turkey and he brought a list of the things needed. The Turks said Our Pakistani brothers are in trouble. Take whatever you need. And they gave it for free. If that isn't support and friendship, I don't know what is.

 

[Fulgura]

The Turkish general must have been drunk the day most religious parties lost in elections clearly showing publics distrust with them.

I don't know where you get the impression that Turkish generals speak while drunk. He is a very sane person and what he says is generally very intellectual. I don't understand what's wrong with saying "We wouldn't want to see this friendly country fall into extremist hands." Are you folks against the idea? Or against someone other than a Pakistani saying this? This makes a difference.

I guess soon Kurds will rule turkey we should be ready for a Kurd coming to power there.As i have said countless times before with umah like this who needs enemies.but i guess to get into European union they will say any thing to please some people how pathetic they still don't get it that they are not wanted.

Now I understand... So Turks have been saying what they say for almost a hundred year to get into EU. As for your commentary about Kurds ruling the country, I don't know where you get the information about Turkey and its demographics and you don't seem to have the slightest idea about what's going on in Turkey. A bit of reference: one of the former Turkish Presidents, Turgut Ozal was of Kurdish origin and there have been many people in the government and other higher positions with Kurdish origins. Tomorrow there could be another president with Kurdish origins and this wouldn't be a problem either. I guess you seem to confuse the ethnic situation in Turkey with tribal politics in some parts of the world.

Oh and for your information again: The percentage of Turkish population which is in favor of EU membership is 45%, which is lower than the rate in some European countries which would want to see Turkey in EU.

As for your commentary on friends/enemies, I believe most people in Turkey would be surprised to know you think like this. (And maybe they should)

 

[EagleEyes]

I would like to tell you all that Turk general didn't comment on this issue. The comments are "made up" to sell the issue. Turk generals are not so arrogant as the U.S. ones.

 

[Fulgura]

I do not understand why our friends are reacting to this extent. This is comment and warning to new political system of Pakistan by Gen Musharf’s. friend.

But bad part is that, it is some how a wrong comment by Turk top general for Pakistan, it simply humiliates Pakistan at world stage. A friend should give such kind of suggestion personally and not publicly.

I believe this kind of suggestion has been ( and is being) given personally many times. I can testify to this. First hand...

It is just a bit hard to understand why a worry or concern (which poses no danger for Turkey but should pose a danger for Pakistani people) causes such anger.

 

[MOSABJA]

Thanks to Musharraf.


earliner only US used to comment on us.

Now India Afghanistan and Turkey too has joined the list.


these are the same generals who have toppled many governments and humiliated the popular mandate by usurping power on suspicion of Islamic roots.

 

[Always Neutral]

Thanks to Musharraf.


earliner only US used to comment on us.

Now India Afghanistan and Turkey too has joined the list.


these are the same generals who have toppled many governments and humiliated the popular mandate by usurping power on suspicion of Islamic roots.

Dear MOS,

Maybe they know more than you do. I mean Turkey and USA not India and Afghanistan.

You may add UK and EU to the list.

Regards

 

[IceCold]

Thanks to Musharraf.


earliner only US used to comment on us.

Now India Afghanistan and Turkey too has joined the list.

So why does india suppries you? Get one thing very straight in your head irrespective of who the government is in pakistan, india will be on the forefront of everything in which it can give pakistan a bad name.
As for Afghainstan lol since when did the opinion of a failed state with a government with no authority beyond kabul started to make importance. Isnt it obivious what their masters (US & India) have to say they will follow that.
As for turkey well the turkish government did not said so, its just one general who was expressing his personal views, so you cant call his satement as representing the whole of turkey.