Tunisia Salafists halt Iranian concert at Sufi festival

[Hyperion]

We are stereotyped ourselves arent we..thanks to the virus that originated from that area..Whats wrong in my stereotyping the virus of its origin..
NAJD.

Oscar, are you referring to "Najdi" as in Ahle-Tashi?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Hold it...! When these monstrosities were being created; the West, the Muslim World and most of the International Community was there on our side ! We didn't fund the Mujahideen because it was the cute thing to do we did it because, as per our assessment, Soviet Union's presence in Afghanistan posed an existentialist threat to the State of Pakistan ! Then when the time came to rehabilitate entire generations of Afghans and Pakistani Pukhtoons back into society as constructive individuals with some source of livelihood and education to their succeeding generations - the World, including the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and our Muslim brethren, turned their backs on us and left us with a country that was in tatters, 4-6 million of their people flooding Pakistan in, what appears to be, perpetuity and whole generations of those directly effected who know nothing but strife and conflict !

Pakistan tried to make the best of a very...very bad situation by supporting the rise of the Taliban so that we could contain much of Afghanistan's fall-out to Afghanistan, end the lawlessness, turf-wars and try to, ourselves, rehabilitate the Afghan refugees back into their own country ! Unfortunately that didn't go exactly according to plan with Osama Bin Laden and his Al-Qaeeda coming and infecting the Taliban with his even more perverted and violent dogma. I won't blame the Saudis for the ideology for there is a lot of difference between what Wahabism says and what OBL did but I do blame them for exiling him instead of executing him or better yet involving other agencies in trying to nip Al Qaeeda in the bud when we had the chance !

So, my friend, however much I disagree with Oscar or the Iranians when they peg Extremist or Militant Islam with the Salafi ideology; when blame is being dealt out Pakistan is not the only country responsible for creating this mess. Everyone from the US of A and Britain to KSA and most of the GCC were on board.

Oh, here is my well cultured friend who has known as... I won't say a hocker but rather the one who is internationally recognized of hocking up animals with people. Long time no see my precious friend.

I agree with almost everything you mentioned here, KSA didn't exiled him but tried to get him and I already said that and the prince was humiliated and expelled. KSA opened the doors to volunteer in Afghanistan and as I said the prince said Bin Laden looked shy, introverted and modest to him. At that time, nothing was known as extremism or Qaeda. In my opinion, KSA did not support Pakistan financially as it should be with great amount of aids, because KSA was almost broke as they paid for GW1, GW2 as well as the oil price, this era was the worst for KSA. Do you know that KSA debt reached 350 BD in the end of 2002?

 

[Hyperion]

The foOk does that mean ?

Yeah, I didn't get it either. All this is so difficult to understand, confuses the shize out of me!

 

[Abii]

Not only Salafis who will not allow any Iranian activity but also ordinary people, those can't do such things without public approval. You guys have to stop convincing yourselves that only Salafis or "Wahhabi" wouldn't allow any Iranian infiltration in Arab world. It starts with a book or cultural festival and ends up with spreading Sheasm like what happened in Morocco. We don't want anything related to Iran in our countries.

FYI, that movie won an oscar.

and then you complain when I call you a wahabi.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

FYI, that movie won an oscar.

and then you complain when I call you a wahabi.

I guess we have just settled down this discussion.

 

[Armstrong]

Oh, here is my well cultured friend who has known as... I won't say a hocker but rather the one who is internationally recognized of hocking up animals with people. Long time no see my precious friend.

I agree with almost everything you mentioned here, KSA didn't exiled him but tried to get him and I already said that and the prince was humiliated and expelled. KSA opened the doors to volunteer in Afghanistan and as I said the prince said Bin Laden looked shy, introverted and modest to him. At that time, nothing was known as extremism or Qaeda. In my opinion, KSA did not support Pakistan financially as it should be with great amount of aids, because KSA was almost broke as they paid for GW1, GW2 as well as the oil price, this era was the worst for KSA. Do you know that KSA debt reached 350 BD in the end of 2002?

'Hocking up animals with People' ? Nope...no, its still Ramazan ! I'll be taking all them orders after Eid ! And I've got a new one just for you with puffy lips and mascara laden eyes !

Dude, I don't blame you guys per se but I get pissed off...seriously pissed off when its ever asserted (not you per se but I'm saying this in an all encompassing way !) that Pakistan is responsible for this mess wholly and solely and that we should clean it up ! We weren't the only ones and we've already paid with the lives of 40,000 of our loved ones and yet still 'the World' has the temerity of accusing us, asking us to do more and then pointing fingers at us for not doing enough ?

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

'Hocking up animals with People' ? Only with Mosa...!

Dude, I don't blame you guys per se but I get pissed off...seriously pissed off when its ever asserted (not you per se but I'm saying this in an all encompassing way !) that Pakistan is responsible for this mess wholly and solely and that we should clean it up ! We weren't the only ones and we've already paid with the lives of 40,000 of our loved ones and yet still 'the World' has the temerity of accusing us, asking us to do more and then pointing fingers at us for not doing enough ?

Plz Armstrong, you misunderstood me. I am not only blaming Pakistan but it's all our faults. You can say it was a miscalculation from all of the countries that got involved since there was not a thing called Qaeda or terrorism at that time, so they didn't expect them to turn into such monsters. All I am saying, enough with depicting Arabs as the origin of terrorism. Terrorism has no nationality nor religion. They are just evil people.

 

[Armstrong]

Yeah, I didn't get it either. All this is so difficult to understand, confuses the shize out of me!

Then I think I'll let you ponder the complexities of what he said whilst I go down stairs to the kitchen to get some 'Kastoori Kebab (Lamb !) lathered with melted butter and cheese and a Roghni Naan' !

 

[Abii]

I guess we have just settled down this discussion.

There was a discussion? There was a wahabi opinion about a movie that won an Oscar and a Golden Globe (along with a million other awards) and reality. Knowing from experiece though, reality isn't really your concern. You much rather believe that an Oscar winning movie is a conspiracy by the Iranian government to spread shia Islam, which you considered as herecy lmao

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

It's like the west accusing Muslims of terrorism and we are parroting after them in accusing each-others of being terrorists. Wake up and stop this nonsense. And then people wonder why are most of us have never believed in Umah or Islamic unity.

 

[Mosamania]

Plz Armstrong, you misunderstood me. I am not only blaming Pakistan but it's all our faults. You can say it was a miscalculation from all of the countries that got involved since there was not a thing called Qaeda or terrorism at that time, so they didn't expect them to turn into such monsters. All I am saying, enough with depicting Arabs as the origin of terrorism. Terrorism has no nationality nor religion. They are just evil people.

Don't try to talk sense into people who are "Unsensables". You will only give yourself a headache.

No matter what you do or how you do it they will always point their stinky fingers at you and accuse you for their problems. They will NEVER try to educate themselves. They will NEVER try to look at things from a different perspective and they will NEVER try to use the special god given ability of critical thinking at all.

 

[Hyperion]

Then I think I'll let you ponder the complexities of what he said whilst I go down stairs to the kitchen to get some 'Kastoori Kebab (Lamb !) lathered with melted butter and cheese and a Roghni Naan' !

Every day, past midnight you do that to me. I was read for it today

I filed up two freezers and a fridge with stuff from an Indian restaurant. I do want to get back at you for trying, however, I rather go and micro something cool

 

[Armstrong]

Plz Armstrong, you misunderstood me. I am not only blaming Pakistan but it's all our faults. You can say it was a miscalculation from all of the countries that got involved since there was not a thing called Qaeda or terrorism at that time, so they didn't expect them to turn into such monsters. All I am saying, enough with depicting Arabs as the origin of terrorism. Terrorism has no nationality nor religion. They are just evil people.

Absolutely ! The thing is even in Pakistan these drums of 'Salafism as the Culprit' have been beaten enough times by some of the 'others' that the 'non-religious people' or those from *shall I say* 'different sects', actually believe this ! I was surprised to hear a friend of mine, someone doing his Bachelors in Political Science and Economics, would scream to the top of his lungs about how its all because of Wahabism but he still didn't know that neither Osama nor Al Qaeeda are Wahabis/Salafis but that they're followers of Syed Qutb's ideology ! Thankfully by and large we've got nothing against Saudis or their ideologies and Pakistani Expats living in KSA are pretty good ambassadors of your countries and their People !

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Then I think I'll let you ponder the complexities of what he said whilst I go down stairs to the kitchen to get some 'Kastoori Kebab (Lamb !) lathered with melted butter and cheese and a Roghni Naan' !

Loll, we had Kabab today as well. Anyway, I don't like it much.

 

[Shahin Vatani]

There was a discussion? There was a wahabi opinion about a movie that won an Oscar and a Golden Globe (along with a million other awards) and reality. Knowing from experiece though, reality isn't really your concern. You much rather believe that an Oscar winning movie is a conspiracy by the Iranian government to spread shia Islam, which you considered as herecy lmao

Man you nailed it!!

These people are scared to death of Shia Islam. Maybe because it threatens their radical salafi version of the religion. BlackEagle said on this thread that Salafism (which has created so much terrorism and pain in the world) has its good points!! I am really scared about the ideology they are teaching these people in peninsular Arab countries. It threatens the whole middle east.