Tunisia gov't says to close 80 mosques for inciting 'violence'!

[Metanoia]

There is a easy solution to that. Learn from the Mullah brigade. Ban the contraception and then watch how fast the imbalance will be corrected.

Smaller will become bigger ......

Takes time to produce Mercedes...mass production will only reap Corollas and Mehrans lol

 

[StormShadow]

Islam and State technically cannot be ONE. As there is no longer only ONE version of ISLAM
If you implement Shia Islam, Sunnis will complain. If you implement Sunni Islam, Shias will complain. If you implement Ahmadi "Islam", everyone will complain

Lol...

 

[Levina]

Okies...will watch when I've got time.

I said read my post.

 

[Norwegian]

Do you think that Saudi Arabia put the money to create the ISIL without USA permission? Maybe you even think that Saudi Arabia created the ISIL against USA will .

ISIL wishes to destroy Arab monarchies including Saudi. What are you talking about?
Reported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca, 'Kill Those Who Worship Stones' [UPDATE]

If USA is energy indepedent or not, that it doesnt matter.
USA needs that the oil in the world must be sell in USD to assure dollar value.

Oil can be sold in any currency as long it later on is converted to dollar.

USA economy without oil selling in dollars would collapse.

True. Petrodollar is crucial for American bankrupt economy's survival

Gold-standard of dollar was finished at the same years that USA reached its peak oil.

Yeah, that idiot NIXON, the real destroyer of the world economy!

Oil to USA economy it means much more that energy independecy for that country or not. It means keep the USD as world currency.

Well put! @LeveragedBuyout

Hafeez Sayeed.

He is an Islamic terrorist. Plain and simple.

Partially coz of the second point quoted below.

It means you cannot implement Shariah.

 

[A.M.]

Same should be done in Pakistan, i would imagine the number there would be 8,000 at least.

Great step.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Tunisian government should take control on all mosques and they should introduce New rules and regulations to stop violence. They are working independently and there is no proper check & balance system of Mosques..

 

[TankMan]

@TankMan I think this is the answer to what we have been debating on another thread for weeks regarding "reformation" of Shariah

Bhai jaan, a ''fatwa'' should not be considered Shariat in the first place. Fatwas, by definition, are scholars' opinions. These opinions should never be taken as the word of God. If many scholars agree on it, it becomes Fiqh - not Shariat.
Shariah And Fiqh. Do You Know The Difference? | Islamic Learning Materials

Fiqh can change, Shariat can not. Fiqh is based on interpretations of Sharia that are then used to derive rulings for issues that Sharia doesn't deal with. There is nothing wrong with Sharia, there is a lot of stuff wrong with Fiqh.

Your basic point is right, we do need to reform our understanding of religion. There's no denying that. But when you say ''reform Sharia'', to a knowledgeable Muslim that means ''change the Quran and Hadith''. And then the knowledgeable Muslim will not take you seriously.

We need to reform our interpretation of the Quran and Hadith, which is essentially what Fiqh is - interpretation/understanding.

But know that no amount of reformation will make alcohol, pork, or indecency (among other things) halal.

Today's mosques are no longer used for prayers and a place of worship. They are mostly used to plan terrorism and other social activities among Muslims

Not even half a percent of mosques today are used for terrorism. These kinds of nonsensical generalizations completely discredit your arguments. How do you expect people to take you seriously when you say such things? Have you ever been to a mosque? I've been to hundreds. Not one of them was ever used for any terrorism. Some were involved in sectarian hate-speech, and the simple solution to that is to regulate sermons.

 

[BHAN85]

ISIL wishes to destroy Arab monarchies including Saudi. What are you talking about?
Reported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca, 'Kill Those Who Worship Stones' [UPDATE]

This is my source for that info, this George Soros article:

A Partnership with China to Avoid World War by George Soros | The New York Review of Books

"In the political sphere local conflicts fester and multiply. Taken individually these conflicts could possibly be solved but they tend to be interconnected and the losers in one conflict tend to become the spoilers in others. For instance, the Syrian crisis deteriorated when Putin’s Russia and the Iranian government came to Bashar al-Assad’s rescue, each for its own reasons. Saudi Arabia provided the seed money for ISIS and Iran instigated the Houthi rebellion in Yemen to retaliate against Saudi Arabia."

And I think that the founder of the most successful hedge fund of USA history must have access to high quality info, unlike us .
What Soros says have sense, and the news you post doesn't contradict that, no matter what ISIL says, it matters what ISIL do.
What it hasn't any sense is think that ISIL was created spontaneously .

 

[TankMan]

This is my source for that info, this George Soros article:

A Partnership with China to Avoid World War by George Soros | The New York Review of Books

"In the political sphere local conflicts fester and multiply. Taken individually these conflicts could possibly be solved but they tend to be interconnected and the losers in one conflict tend to become the spoilers in others. For instance, the Syrian crisis deteriorated when Putin’s Russia and the Iranian government came to Bashar al-Assad’s rescue, each for its own reasons. Saudi Arabia provided the seed money for ISIS and Iran instigated the Houthi rebellion in Yemen to retaliate against Saudi Arabia."

And I think that the founder of the most successful hedge fund of USA history must have access to high quality info, unlike us .
What Soros says have sense, and the news you post doesn't contradict that, no matter what ISIL says, it matters what ISIL do.
What it hasn't any sense is think that ISIL was created spontaneously .

ISIS was created as a result of US support for a bunch of rebel factions against the Syrian government, coupled with Saudi and Iranian support to various proxy factions. Many of those fighters ended up rallying under one banner, the banner of ISIS. Blaming the Saudis for all of it is wrong.

As for Soros, the words of anyone involved in politics should not be taken as a reliable source of information about politics.

 

[Norwegian]

There is nothing wrong with Sharia, there is a lot of stuff wrong with Fiqh.

I have no idea how much Fiqa must change before Sharia Law becomes somewhat implement in Muslim majority countries.

 

[PDF]

If that's so, how come ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups consist of Muslims, and Muslims alone? Why their propaganda only works on Muslim faithfuls, unlike Communist, Socialist propaganda that has cross-faith / cross-cultural support???

I don't know. I do not manage or administer ISIS etc. Go ask them!
As a Muslim, I do not consider them islamic terrorists but just terrorists.And terrorists have no place in Islam!

 

[LeveragedBuyout]

ISIL wishes to destroy Arab monarchies including Saudi. What are you talking about?
Reported ISIS Member Says They Will Destroy The Kaaba In Mecca, 'Kill Those Who Worship Stones' [UPDATE]


Oil can be sold in any currency as long it later on is converted to dollar.


True. Petrodollar is crucial for American bankrupt economy's survival


Yeah, that idiot NIXON, the real destroyer of the world economy!

Hah, I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole. I fought the global reserve currency wars (and the Plaza Accord wars, and the super power wars, etc...) last year, let's try something new in 2015.

 

[EasyNow]

There is no reason why our madrassas cannot be used to help promote social justice in our society based on accepted Islamic injunctions, which for instance, forbid denying women their rightful share of property, which in turn could go a long way in ensuring women’s economic empowerment in our country. Many other similar Islamic injunctions can be emphasised to promote a sense of civic and social responsibility through the madrassa system, instead of using madrassas to achieve narrow sectarian or strategic objectives. Reforming what madrassas teach would thus have a much more positive impact on their students than trying to regulate their activities through administrative controls alone.


“It is important to mention upfront that not all madrassas are a problem and therefore these must not be viewed negatively as a whole."

An ideological vacuum?

In order to reform and regulate madrassas, it is critical to first understand the reason behind their rapid growth over the past decade. Madrassas fill up the vacuum in the provision of basic services such as education by the state. “The government is unable to educate poor children and no one cares. Only madrassas give them free education,” “If the government supports these students, I am sure they can make a difference,” he adds.

Problems arise in non-registered seminaries when there is no check on the literature being taught there, a cleric shared on the condition of anonymity. “Students of some of these unregistered seminaries are sitting ducks being misguided by anti-state forces,”

Shuting down madrassas is no solution but bringing reforms and taking steps to stop teaching wrong principles will be the right choice.This is not our duty but the duty of the state.



At the end,the only solution is to bring REFORMS.

Madrassas need to understand that their job is to teach and then let go, not dominate their students for life. Only then can they be a fair stakeholder in society.

In a school, you learn and then you move on with that knowledge into life. The madrassa on the other hand looks to induct one into a political movement and a commitment of lifelong service. This is why even the best madrassas are so dangerous.

 

[TankMan]

I have no idea how much Fiqa must change before Sharia Law becomes somewhat implement in Muslim majority countries.

Not too much. Majority of fiqh deals with minor, personal religious issues that are completely innocuous - What tosbeeh should you recite after prayer? Does using an inhaler invalidate the fast? Should you donate blood while fasting? Which prayers can be joined together? Where should you keep your hands while praying? That's generally what fiqh deals with.

There are, however, some parts of fiqh that are very dangerous - for example, the Blasphemy Law is purely based on and actually goes against the Quran and Shariat, and the Fiqh that says ''four witnesses are needed to prove rape'', which is based on a misinterpretation.

If someone actually tries to change those parts of Fiqh, it wouldn't be difficult to do so at all.

But if we want to implement Shariat in Muslim majority countries, we will need to accept the differences of opinion in the smaller matters and the state will need to enforce acceptance of differences of opinion in said smaller matters so as to prevent sectarianism. It would be impossible if we were to try and enforce a complete code of fiqh.

 

[Zarvan]

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A picture says a thousand words:

Its nothing to do with oil.


Nothing to do with oil. USA already is energy independent.

Your childish comments on the picture is enough to show mental level.