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They do it to insult them into submission.This is an ethnic war and its clear as day. Afghans see every person identifying as Pakistani as a Punjabi.
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They do it to insult them into submission.This is an ethnic war and its clear as day. Afghans see every person identifying as Pakistani as a Punjabi.
The countries that you mentioned can take care of themselves and focus on their interests.It doesn't take into consideration multiple factors
The U.S and it's intentions in the region, especially against China, Iran, Pakistan and Russia to the north
Also U.S intentions to keep China out and to facilitate India our main enemy as a counter to China regardless of Pakistani protests
Indian plotting and planning and investments to target Pakistan that the U.S either was facilitating or at least turning a blind eye to
A afghan Republic, with I'll intentions towards Pakistan openly increasing its cooperation with India and reaching out to pashtun nationalists
And we can keep going
We could have played ball and helped got rid of Taliban but for purpose?
To have a permanent U.S presence and intelligence infrastructure next door, threatening Pakistani strategic interests and planning with India to counter China?
A gradual increase in Indian planning and sites to counter Pakistan
A hostile Afghan Republic, with no concerns for Pakistani strategic interests?
Atleast this way , all those problems go and we are left with the Taliban who we can arm twist to some extent, who are reliant on Pakistan to some extent and we have Afghan Yahoo's who we can target
Pakistan and US could find a mutually acceptable solution for Afghanistan but Pakistan wasted precious time.
And this was the crux of the matter
When the WOT started Pakistan was COMPLETELY on board, it gave space and support and hoped it's sacrifices won't go in vain we went through a brutal period of terrorism, everyone can go back and see the numbers
Then the Afghan Republic which needed all the support it could get started to act against Pakistan, from statement's, to support and space for terrorists and TtP type organisation
The same Republic then gave space to India, beyond normal trade relations and specially thumbed its nose at Pakistan
Our security services picked up on a number of issues that effected Pakistans strategic security and interests
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We want to the afghans repeatedly to try and get them to understand and have a common neighbourly consensus,, not only did that not occur they went full blast on the planning against us alongside India
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We went to the U.S without whom the afghans couldn't scratch their asses, and what we got was complete unconcern.
No concern for our strategic interests, our problems, the attacks upon us
It was ONLY THEN was Pakistan forced to act to secure it's strategic and national interests
Because no one else would
As harami as the afghans are, they have attacked us for decades and they won't stop
But better backwards isolated dumb fcuk afghans then a base for the U.S in the region, a hostile afghan republic and entrenched India
This was our big mistake that we took part in cold war of US and Russia. We should have been impartial in this game. We should have never been involve in Afghan-Russia war.
The matter should have been shifted to UNO peace keeping forces. This way lost two friends Russia and US. We annoyed Russia, Afghans and now US suspects us even after thousands of sacrifices. Our economy collapsed because of US alliance.
Let's say we did this, the Ghani administration still wasn't our friend. It supported the TTP too. It had a huge military and global support.Afghans were attacking Pakistan before the cold war.
The big mistake was not full committing to the Nato invasion and dismantling the haqqani network and Taliban elements in Pakistan. Pakistan should have sealed the border and joined the invasion and routed Kabul together with NATO. Blame the Al Qaeda brainwashed Pakistani public at the time for not supporting this as the army were ready to rumble under Musharraf.
Not only did they lose key western allies in the process and drive them closer to India, they have had to go through a 20 year and counting of insurgency on the western front. This will be in the history books as one of the greatest f**k ups Pakistan has ever done, and its done many.
As soon as the yanks realised Pakistan were not fully on board and were playing a double game they did not take their position into consideration when selecting Afghan leadership otherwise a more Pakistani friendly government would have been taken over. They were leaning on India when they picked Ghani.Let's say we did this, the Ghani administration still wasn't our friend. It supported the TTP too. It had a huge military and global support.
We may have even been even more fucked in that case.
Afghanistan ideally should just be nuked to oblivion, especially Kandahar, Nangahar and Jalalabad where the most extremist terror elements exist.
As soon as the yanks realised Pakistan were not fully on board and were playing a double game they did not take their position into consideration when selecting Afghan leadership otherwise a more Pakistani friendly government would have been taken over. They were leaning on India when they picked Ghani.
The mistake was made when Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had support in Pakistan and were able to move around Afghanistan and Pakistan and garner funding for their attacks. That shouldn't have happened. Pakistan shouldn't have supported Taliban into power in the 90s. Bin Laden and Talibs should have been killed off as soon as the Soviet invasion was over as they had served their usefulness, not support them into power. Many mistakes were made.
I am pretty sure some Pakistanis revere Bin Laden and made him a cult religious figure and some probably worhship him. The extent of the brainwashing and psyops and how easy some people are to dupe. Its pathetic.
The fact remains Taliban is a joint problem of US and Pakistan, US did their bit, Pakistan did not.
Now we are left with the last resort which was completely avoidable which is to tactical nuke them to make a statement. They need a hiroshima and nagasaki moment. Long overdue.
There is no such thing as a Pakistan-friendly Afghan leadership though, that's the issue.As soon as the yanks realised Pakistan were not fully on board and were playing a double game they did not take their position into consideration when selecting Afghan leadership otherwise a more Pakistani friendly government would have been taken over. They were leaning on India when they picked Ghani.
The mistake was made when Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had support in Pakistan and were able to move around Afghanistan and Pakistan and garner funding for their attacks. That shouldn't have happened. Pakistan shouldn't have supported Taliban into power in the 90s. Bin Laden and Talibs should have been killed off as soon as the Soviet invasion was over as they had served their usefulness, not support them into power. Many mistakes were made.
I am pretty sure some Pakistanis revere Bin Laden and made him a cult religious figure and some probably worhship him. The extent of the brainwashing and psyops and how easy some people are to dupe. Its pathetic.
The fact remains Taliban is a joint problem of US and Pakistan, US did their bit, Pakistan did not.
Now we are left with the last resort which was completely avoidable which is to tactical nuke them to make a statement. They need a hiroshima and nagasaki moment. Long overdue.
US came to dismantle Al-Qaeda Network in the region. Due to this effort, Pakistan has one less terrorist organization to worry about and TTA seems to realize that it cannot support multi-national terrorist organizations.
US also attempted to convince Pakistan to dismantle Taliban groups but Pakistan refused to:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1660188
Pakistan was too focused on Hamid Gul policy to understand that snakes cannot be tamed.
You will find details in following posts:
Charge d’ Affairs of Pakistan, Ambassador Ubaid Nizamani targeted by assassination attempt in Kabul - Dec 2022
Just a normal day in Kabul Actually, if we look at the pattern (of targeted assassinations of Afghan commanders loyal to the Talibs, and low this), it seems like a coordinated campaign to sow chaos amongst the Afghan leaders and their relations with the outside world. There is either an...pdf.defence.pk
Charge d’ Affairs of Pakistan, Ambassador Ubaid Nizamani targeted by assassination attempt in Kabul - Dec 2022
Unconfirmed Source Update; Turkmen or Uzbek ethnicity terrorists attacked Pakistan’s Embassy in Kabul fired over 100 rounds of ammunition and 7 sniper shots into the embassy. Another (3rd) accomplice of the attacker was arrested today. Suspect is currently believed to be a hired...pdf.defence.pk
American handpicked Afghan leaders were willing to work with Pakistan but Pakistan was supporting Taliban groups and this was the root cause of tensions between Afghanistan and Pakistan throughout. It was easy for India to exploit this situation and launch its projects in Afghanistan.
Pakistan was too confused to make a decision.
Lack of consensus on what to do about Afghanistan.
US managed to convince Taliban to not support multi-national terrorist organizations and call it a day.
Trump administration pitched Intra-Afghan Dialogue to reshape Afghan political landscape but Biden administration scrapped this plan. Joe Biden understands Pakistan well enough.
This is not how it works.
When ISIL emerged in Iraq in 2014, Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi has to make a decision. He chose to not negotiate with terrorists and wipe them out. He convinced US to support Iraq in this matter. Operation Inherent Resolve is a COIN masterstroke. Iraq has rid itself from the menace of terrorism to large extent.
I am not interested in conspiracy theories. Thanks.USA didn't come to Afghanistan because of AQ. That's just an excuse. They were even supporting AQ affiliates in Syria. 9/11 was an obvious false flag & anyone who still believes otherwise is delusional.
Read Project for a New American Century if you want to know the real reason they invaded.
If they had been sincere they would have instead come up with another method to bring the so-called perpetrators to justice e.g. IBOs or working with the TTA & religious scholars from the outset. This would have accomplished better results without a 20 yr war. The taliban even offered to give up OBL (albeit after initially refusing) but USA refused the offer.
As it stands, there's now more terrorism than before. Instead of dealing with just 1 group, we now have to deal with multiple. Thanks America!
They then invaded & pushed AQ fighters into Pakistan, installed a highly corrupt, pro-indian govt and since we not only allowed kafirs to invade & kill Muslims but went after them openly, all these org turned against us when they had ignored us beforehand.
There was no 'Hamid gul policy'. Hamid gul didn't agree with allowing the Americans to invade in the 1st place. Musharraf had removed religious officers anyway.
The so-called 'double game' was the Pakistani state's attempt at salvaging some influence in Afghanistan & to force USA to the negotiating table instead of waging an endless war & making a mess in the region.
It's literally the other way around. The reason Pakistan wasn't on board is because of the US. They were the ones who pushed AQ into Pakistan & they installed pro-indian NA govt.As soon as the yanks realised Pakistan were not fully on board and were playing a double game they did not take their position into consideration when selecting Afghan leadership otherwise a more Pakistani friendly government would have been taken over. They were leaning on India when they picked Ghani.
The mistake was made when Al Qaeda and Bin Laden had support in Pakistan and were able to move around Afghanistan and Pakistan and garner funding for their attacks. That shouldn't have happened. Pakistan shouldn't have supported Taliban into power in the 90s. Bin Laden and Talibs should have been killed off as soon as the Soviet invasion was over as they had served their usefulness, not support them into power. Many mistakes were made.
I am pretty sure some Pakistanis revere Bin Laden and made him a cult religious figure and some probably worhship him. The extent of the brainwashing and psyops and how easy some people are to dupe. Its pathetic.
The fact remains Taliban is a joint problem of US and Pakistan, US did their bit, Pakistan did not.
Now we are left with the last resort which was completely avoidable which is to tactical nuke them to make a statement. They need a hiroshima and nagasaki moment. Long overdue.
Conspiracy theory is just a lame pejorative invented by American intelligence to shut down debate. Using it to refuse discussion is intellectual dishonesty. The evidence speaks for itself. Educate yourself if you have the courage to do so.I am not interested in conspiracy theories. Thanks.
How can you know, everyone has their own version of sharia law ,and give me any country which follows sharia law.Sharia govt is better all democratic systems of the world
You did not pay heed to information and links in my post. From where shall I begin?It's literally the other way around. The reason Pakistan wasn't on board is because of the US. They were the ones who pushed AQ into Pakistan & they installed pro-indian NA govt.
The "double game" was started in response to that.
Conspiracy theory is just a lame pejorative invented by American intelligence to shut down debate. Using it to refuse discussion is intellectual dishonesty. The evidence speaks for itself. Educate yourself if you have the courage to do so.
After all I can say that Pakistan supporting TTA is also a "conspiracy theory". The claim that AQ did 9/11 is also a "conspiracy theory".
Why should RAW not fund them? You have launched a war against India in Afghanistan, so this is an easy deal right? Money is not much of an issue, whether it's BLA or TTP. There are even sub-contracts per my understanding, that get bonus for killing some targets.And since RAW has no interest in dismantling Pakistan (according to Indian members ) so RAW has no hand in this, suddenly TTP budgets has become 10-20 times more miraculously, nah no funding from RAW