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TTP offers ‘deal’ to Punjab government

'TTP offers ‘deal’ to Punjab government'

My foot

& BTW shame on Shahbaz Sharif(so called)
after damn f-king 8 years & death of 30,000 people now we are going to make a deal

Death for Taliban & their sympathizers

talk about extremism. if talibans are extremist then isnt this kind of attitude depict a pure picture of extremism, if not a religious one?
you say death to talibans for killing 30 thousand people, well why dont you use the f word and say death to indian army for killing more tan 1 lakh people in kahsmir and even more martyred east pakistanese? why not death to america and CIA for the bloody drones missiles which causes these attacks in retaliation? why not death to Israel for the massacre of innocent muslims?
just because their killings are justified because they are or are emerging super powers, we dont speak a word against them. but we paint all the talibans as evil and its very easy to lose our frustration on them, we say death to taliban..why such double standards?
 
Anybody who supports deal with extremists or sympathizes with them I am going report you to U.S.A. so they take you and put you in Guantanamo Bay.
 
Anybody who supports deal with extremists or sympathizes with them I am going report you to U.S.A. so they take you and put you in Guantanamo Bay.

thats all you can do. unfortunately, we have people like you and musharraf who sold the the bodies of our sisters like dr. aafia to your ruler, US.. 63 years back we didnt get azaadi just to migrate, but to free our minds aswell..
is zehni ghulami se kaash hon hum azaad!
 
You people need to think before you speak. This is what these people want to do.

They want to destroy this:


and they want to implement this:

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thats all you can do. unfortunately, we have people like you and musharraf who sold the the bodies of our sisters like dr. aafia to your ruler, US.. 63 years back we didnt get azaadi just to migrate, but to free our minds aswell..
is zehni ghulami se kaash hon hum azaad!

You are anti-U.S.A. Ok.

Pakistan would be nothing if it were not for U.S.A. help.
We get alot of technology, economic, military and other aid from U.S.A. Perhaps you overlooked that. If it were not for this we would be under India rule and you would be sitting the Ganges River right now. Pakistan is designated as a Major non-NATO ally. No other nation can touch us without U.S.A. having a word about it. They may or may not interfere militarily but we will get material support from them.

:usflag:

Oh wait you are one of those people who saw Bhutto comeback and she smiled in your face told you what you wanted to hear. You go home happy jumping for glory while behind closed doors she was living the lavish lifestyle with over 1 billion stolen from Pakistan. I guess since she brought up particular things you wanted to hear while hiding the full picture unintelligent people like you think its ok for her to lead again. Good riddens that theif.

People like you sit in your comfortable homes reminisce about the past and point out bad things that occured while overlooking the overall good. Musharraf was one of the best leader Pakistan ever had. It may have appeared that he was looking out for himself when he wanted to stay in power but he wasn't. He was looking out for Pakistan's best interest. He knew corruption would once again be at the highest levels of Pakistan government if he left. Was he wrong?
 
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I would also like to share my personal opinion on this case:

First of all we all hate these terrorists whether they are from TTP or any other terror organizations.

We want justice for all those who have lost their lives and suffered bcz of these terrorism acts, we want also PEACE in this region and we want to stabilize economically, socially and politically our beloved country Pakistan.

So my dear friends how could we obtain all these targets?

We always have diffrent options, whether to try politically (peace talks, deals etc.) or choosing the hard way (taking serious action by using brutal force)

Unfortunaitly we have tried in the past using the first option but with no result infact after the deal these terrorists who label them as TTP an afiliate of the Afghan Talibans have gone against the peace deal by doing to much brutals things including killing, harasment and opressing the fundamental human rights of the local population. So the GoP have to reconsider and made the bold decisions to take serious action against them. i've my concerns about our politicians whether they were competent or not to handle the peace dialoges with these talibans. I've also my concerns about the western powers who were opposing openly the peace dialoges and deals which we were undertaking with these talibans when the U.S. are also trying to have some sort of deals with the talibans, they never close the other option while continuing the war. They always consider all the options. U.S. will not stay here forever, they are too far away, it's our home which is burning not their and i'm damn sure that if there is something which is good for our national interests but goes against american interests they will never let it happen. it's normal everybody seeks it's own interests. So we must develop our own agenda about this region without taking care of what's the other thinks. We are a nuclear power free sovreign country, american are not our masters!:bounce:

My point is that we must consider all the options available to us, we must do all that is in our best interest, for our immediate interests, mid term interests and we must consider also our long term policies.
This doesn't mean that we have to accept this option of deal with these terrorists and spare them, we have to do some clever moves, try to have talks with these talibans while we continue with militry offense! take on both things toghether. If we really want to have longterm peace in this region then we have to use both force and politics toghether.
 
I don't know - if people are surrendering then why would you kill them? This is not how Prophet Muhammad (SAW) dealt with the people of Makkah

Their is no comparison here between people of Mecca and taliban.

taliban are like mad dog, they would not stop biting even make a hundred deals.
their only solution is bullet.
 
That's our problem!

Never look at the root cause of problem.

It's like kill the poor if you want to get rid of poverty.

Sometimes it's ok to admit if you are wrong so you could correct yourself (my two cents - nothing personal Ma'Salam)

What do you think what is the root cause of the problem?
 
What do you think what is the root cause of the problem?

This is the root of the problem Pakistani agencies are helping foreigners in killing Pakistanis who needs enemy in case your protectors are like this:

Robert Fisk: Into the terrifying world of Pakistan's 'disappeared' - Robert Fisk, Commentators - The Independent

In the first of a series of reports from Pakistan, our correspondent meets the wife of one of 8,000 citizens who have gone 'missing' at the hands of the state



If you want to know how brutally Pakistan treats its people, you should meet Amina Janjua. An intelligent painter and interior designer, she sits on the vast sofa of her living room in Rawalpindi – a room that somehow accentuates her loneliness – scarf wound tightly round her head, serving tea and biscuits like the middle-class woman she is. And although neither a soldier nor a policeman has ever laid a hand on her, she is a victim of her country's cruel oppression. Because, five years ago, her husband Masood became one of Pakistan's "disappeared".

It is a scandal and a disgrace and, of course, a crime against humanity. Ask not where Masood Janjua has gone – Amina does ask, of course, all the way up to the President – for he has entered that dark world wherein dwell up to 8,000 of Pakistan's missing citizens, men, for the most part, seized from their homes or from the streets by cops and soldiers on the orders of spies and intelligence agents and Americans since 11 September, 2001. In Lahore alone, there are 120 "torture houses" just for the missing of the Punjab. Their shrieks of pain from the basements could be heard by residents – who complained only that the buildings might provoke bomb attacks. In Pakistan today, preservation counts for more than compassion.

Masood Janjua was 44 when he was "disappeared" on 30 July 2005. He ran an IT college and a travel agency, the father of two boys – Mohamed and Ali, and a girl, Aisha. He just never came home. Nobody saw what happened. Amina, who was 40 at the time, glows when she speaks of him. "We were so extremely close, so happy, our world was so heavenly – we were always visiting friends, having parties at home. He was so caring and kind to our children, so affectionate. That he should be taken from me! I think it was a very big mistake that they did. But when they do it – like this – they never say they were wrong."

"They". Everyone I talk to here talks about "they". Many refuse to talk in case it provokes "them" to undertake a quick execution. "They" is the Inter-Services Intelligence. "They" is military intelligence. "They" are the Americans, some of them present – according to the few "disappeared" who have been released – during torture sessions. The Defence of Human Rights Pakistan (DHRP), the movement which Amina founded with 25 other bereft families, has gathered evidence of English-speaking interrogators who calmly ask victims questions during their torment. Ironically, Amina lives in a military district of Rawalpindi, beside an old British barracks, where US soldiers are observed in Pakistani uniforms – sometimes female American soldiers dressed, so she says, in the uniforms of Pakistani military paramedics.

Even more ironic was the first word she had of her husband after he disappeared. "When I went to the Supreme Court to demand his return, witnesses came forward to say they saw Masood inside an army barracks here in Rawalpindi, very close to his family. Just think – it was within walking distance from our home! He was inside a cell at 111 Brigade barracks. It was so sad for me – it was as if they were being cynical, to keep him so close to his family."

Amina Janjua found that one of the court witnesses lived in Peshawar and she travelled to the North West Frontier Province to speak to him five months after her husband disappeared. "He had been in the army facility in Rawalpindi. The prisoners were kept in solitary confinement and only when they were taken to the lavatory did they come close to other prisoners. They were forced to wear big hoods – hoods that went right down and covered their shoulders – and the detainees would get no chance to talk to another human being. This man said my husband was there – he even heard the guard call him 'Janjua'."

There is evidence that Pakistan's "disappeared" are moved around, between barracks and interrogation centres and underground torture facilities in different towns and cities. There are also terrible rumours – fostered, some say, by the security authorities – that the army has thrown detainees from helicopters, that the cops dispose of bodies at night by dumping them in swamps or in open countryside so that decay and animal mutilation will cover the marks of torture before the bodies are found. But Amina Janjua believes most of them are alive. You might say she has to believe that.

"After 9/11, everyone was worried. People were ruthlessly disappeared after the New York attacks. No one knew why their loved ones were taken. The first few months were like hell for me. Then I regained my consciousness and said I could not accept all this. I said I would fight. I said I would get my husband back." Brave words. Brave lady.

So she turned to the only brave institution still fighting in Pakistan: the lawyers and the judges and the courts. So far, the Supreme Court in Islamabad and the Lahore High Court have squeezed around 200 detainees out of the maw of the country's security apparatus – those, that is, who were still in Pakistan. Many are known to have been freighted off to the tender mercies of the Americans at Bagram in Afghanistan, where Arab detainees have long ago testified to being beaten and sodomised with broom sticks. There have been prisoner murders, too, in Bagram, the jail that President Barack Obama refuses to close.

"At the beginning, I went to the International Red Cross about Masood," Amina Janjua says. "I saw them over several months. There was no progress. My father-in-law went to many people, he even went to President Musharraf – he trained in the military with Musharraf and they knew each other very well – and Musharraf said, 'I will do something for you'– but he never did. After that, when we called the President's house, they would start avoiding us. We wrote to all the Pakistan intelligence agencies. All said my husband could not be found."

Many families have been given false hopes. "In some villages way out in the country," Amina recalls, "families were told by the authorities that their sons were coming home. These were poor people but they were so happy, so delighted. They would hold a party and give out sweets and slaughter valuable animals to show their happiness. But then the sons didn't come home. Can you imagine treating people like this?"

Amina Janjua's fraudulent hope came in a phone call in 2006, a year after Masood's disappearance. "We had our first breakthrough when the military secretary of the President called Masood's father to say that his son was alive and that they had heard about him, though he had been ill – in a fever. That was our first sign of relief.

"Then he started avoiding us again. There was no message after that. Then we were told 'No, he is not with us, but we are making every effort because the President has made this request to help you.' I went on asking senior people in the army what had happened to my husband, and they – I put it like this – they started shivering. They would shudder. They could not disclose any information."

Teaching herself law and fighting her own case, Amina Janjua returned to the Supreme Court. "When I did this, I started hearing of many other cases and things that are happening. And that's when I realised. It's not about 'missing' people – this is about abduction. I started organising files on these abducted people and eventually I had 788 families on my list and I started conducting research. And we got about 200 prisoners released. The courts ordered this. They were all still in Pakistan. Others, we know, had been taken to Bagram, three or four to Guantanamo Bay where at least we knew they were alive."

But Amina's research could prove terrifying. She discovered not only that abducted men were alive. They were also dead. "I suspected some of them had died," she said. "I know of three prisoners who are dead. One was Mohamed Shafiq; he was a coach driver and they released his death certificate – it said he died of 'some illness'. He was in his 40s. One of the prisoners, a businessman called Said Menon, died shortly after he was released.

"All of the 200 we got released had been tortured. Initially, it was very ruthless – they were not allowed to sleep; there were beatings and thrashings; they were hanged upside down. There was loud music. There were actual torture rooms where the things were done to them. The prisoners told us they didn't think their torturers were human beings at all. The faces of the torturers, they said, were horrifying. It was no longer a real world for them. The torturers seemed so powerful, like monsters, so big."

The questions they were asked were repetitive, according to Amina Janjua. Where are the guns? Where are the weapons? Where is Mullah Omar? Two prisoners described to Amina's committee how they were made to wear orange jumpsuits, shaven till they were bald and taken for questioning to Islamabad. "They were interrogated by foreigners – they could see them. They were English-speaking. They didn't know if they were Americans or British."

The DHRP now holds public protests in all the cities of Pakistan where the prisoners have their homes – in Lahore, Sagoda, Quetta, Faisalabad, Karachi, Peshawar – but the families focus on Islamabad where they demonstrate their fury and their anguish outside the Supreme Court and the offices of President Asif Ali Zardari and the Prime Minister, Yousuf Raza Gilani. The DHRP files show that there are 1,700 missing from Baluchistan alone. At least 4,000 appear to be in the hands of the Pakistani interior ministry, while 2,000 have been handed over to what the DHRP describes as "foreign agencies" – usually, the Americans. Perhaps 750 of the missing Pakistanis are believed to have been taken by the Americans – illegally, of course – to Bagram, the Policharki prison outside Kabul, or to Herat in western Afghanistan.

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After what they have done to our innocent people, seeing their brutality, anyone who deals with them should also be killed.

Kill these F-king Bastards. They are desperate and weak and its time now to completely eliminate them. God bless Pakistan and Pak Army!
 
Anybody who supports deal with extremists or sympathizes with them I am going report you to U.S.A. so they take you and put you in Guantanamo Bay.

I agree with you. Id rather have USA intervention then be on the side of someone who deals with these crazy, barbaric murderers!

Having said that I don't see anyone supporting them now. Not after what the whole nation has gone through! We should send these crazy fanatics to Hell!!
 
I agree with you. Id rather have USA intervention then be on the side of someone who deals with these crazy, barbaric murderers!

Having said that I don't see anyone supporting them now. Not after what the whole nation has gone through! We should send these crazy fanatics to Hell!!

We need to defeat them idealogically , use of power will further detoriate the satuation, when drone kill any innoient tribel , whole tribe converted into terrorists , US is creating terrorist by drone attackes.Try to understand US game plan, Talaban cerated by use of force in 2004 by Musharaf in waziristan.

Pakistan Government and Tribel jirga can resolve insurgency in NWFP.
 

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