TTP mutilates Pak army soldiers in waziristan.

[lastofthepatriots]

Why is the impression that nothing is happening in response to this just because no geo news or tik toker is sitting in the area posting snippets for the PDF awam?

Nobody cares about the milstablishment dance and pony show anymore. They will declare new operation which will amount to putting a cheap liquid sealant in a leaking radiator.

It’s been almost 20 years and these jernails haven’t cut the head off the snake. They just pacify the awam and do the bare minimum. But I guess that’s an inherent pakee trait. To do just the bare minimum.

I mean now that NATO has left Afghanistan, what excuse do they have left?

 

[Mirzali Khan]

@PanzerKiel could you please also share your opinion?

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I SWEAR PAKISTANIS ARE HELLA EMBARASSING

Stop tagging that guy everytime something happens in Balochistan/Waziristan. You really want this guy to spill out defense secrets and future plans when people from all around the world read this forum???

 

[Friday]

Generals jinho ny kabhi jang jeeti nahe or election kabhi hari nahe. and then they talk about negotiations with ttp and releasing ihsanullah ihsan. these top filth seem to be quite accomplice in deaths of these soldiers and civilians, somebody needs to recall them aboutt heir duties rather than regime changes for few bucks and post-retirement packages. impossible even to comprehend about our soldiers being mutilated. its about time to butchers even their unborns.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

If we follow TTP and other militants from 2001 who are anti Pakistani, their messages have always been that Pakistani army and people are mushrikeen and kufar, this is why their jihad is legitimate. I've seen many videos in Pushtun with the wording "kufar, mushrikeen faoj Pakistan". People need to understand their is no such thing as jihad Akbar against fellow Muslims, unless you declare them as non Muslims. So militants sell it to their foot soldiers that we are fighting against shirk. Its a pretty strong slogan.

Our establishement on the other hand completely failed to deal with this, after 20 years they still have not managed to find a counter narrative to deal with this, we had the anti ttp lashkars, we have anti ttp militia who fought against ttp but guess what, it was declared as terrorist organisation by the Pakistani government, the anti ttp lashkars were abandoned, Why? Who made that decision? They only fought against ttp to defend themselves? Who is the establishment scared of? I can gurantee their are many facilitators in the higher ups who support these militants, who make excuses for them, only General Raheel Sharif gave a danda to them and nobody offered him extention even after the amount of work he did for Pakistan.

TTP teaches its people that the entire Punjab is kaffir and entire Punjabi culture is kaffir murtad culture. This is what these people actually believe. There has to be some strong counter message delivered in Punjab and to bomb the f out of TTP to teach them a lesson.

 

[TheSolution]

My cousin floated a theory and he said that generals may be a bit complacent due to gora training and the gora need for endless wars and conflicts.

I don't understand though, endless wars and conflicts is not beneficial for us, it hinders the economy and prevents foreign investment, tourism, etc.

Do they not care about the above?

 

[Goenitz]

Biometric + Retina +DNA of all refugees. Else, dpeort them. Strict control of borders. Ceasing trdae or goods won't help. Ration it and keep it to kabul regime. Try to prevent open trading.

 

[Jango]

In two short words, all I'll say is....Hor choopo.

 

[PakAlp]

TTP teaches its people that the entire Punjab is kaffir and entire Punjabi culture is kaffir murtad culture. This is what these people actually believe. There has to be some strong counter message delivered in Punjab and to bomb the f out of TTP to teach them a lesson.

They have been saying this since 2001. Nothing has been done and yes they hate the Punjabi liberal culture, but its not enough, its also the religious beliefs. Its a never ending war scenario.

 

[TheSolution]

I guess the idea here is that the severe measures required for a true solution will either completely wreck the economy or lead into a full blown civil war. They are not wiling to pay the price. Back then when operations were started against TTP, moulvis in Pakistan declared fatwas against Pak Army. Afghan Taliban have significant support in Pakistan, that's a fact. State is hesitant to open this can of worms.

So instead we face endless insurgency in the country?

(TTP/IEA will never give up by the way unless all dead or they agree to a deal)

Maulvis/masjids should be state monitored...

 

[TheSolution]

People will revolt.

Seems like a stupid thing to revolt on, just make an excuse for it.

 

[khail007]

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I SWEAR PAKISTANIS ARE HELLA EMBARASSING

Stop tagging that guy everytime something happens in Balochistan/Waziristan. You really want this guy to spill out defense secrets and future plans when people from all around the world read this forum???

Dear don't get upset, the incident is in the past and the pictures are circulating all over the internet.
Just seeking the @PanzerKiel opinion on that, ever there any request to explain the strategy or operational preparedness or change in SOPs for the future?

Refrain from knee-jerk reactions - thanks.

 

[Arsalan345]

The country is already collapsing. I think it's time to cross the border and strike the Taliban openly. This isn't TTP in the video. They look like Talibans. This is war. Talibans are now doing it openly. Mutilation is unacceptable. Burn every Afghani in Pakistan now and close the border. Use live nuclear missiles on Kabul. It's time. Don't behave like a coward.

 

[PakAlp]

This will lead to a religious debate, which can be entirely avoided by forcing Taliban's Emir to declare the fatwa against Jihad against Pakistan. If he refuses, then he should be assassinated and replaced with a puppet. There's no arguing with fanatics. Nip it in the bud, I say.

Also I must confess my bias as a Shia here.

If Pakistan wants Taliban as ally then they must jointly attack TTP and their supporters. If Taliban refuses then Pak army must put their heads down in shame. I highly doubt Taliban would agree. They have the same ideology and support base as TTP, they will not shoot themselves in the foot for Pakistan.

 

[satyamev]

Sir G, the vehicle frame seems intact so, no IED or any RPG was used.
What I understand from the picture is the vehicle was slow due to turn and maybe the TTP sniper used the occasion for advantage to take out the driver.
The martyrdom of seven soldiers is the result of the overturning of the ambushed vehicle due to loss of control and later maybe firing by the TTP menace.

@PanzerKiel could you please also share your opinion?

a slow vehicle does not overturn.
Probably a fast turn on the curve led to the overturning and the trapped soldiers were easy targets in the soft skinned vehicle.
But no visible bullet or explosion marks on the vehicle is strange.
the violent overturning probably led to the casualties, with immediate medical help not possible.

 

[khail007]

a slow vehicle does not overturn.
Probably a fast turn on the curve led to the overturning and the trapped soldiers were easy targets in the soft skinned vehicle.
But no visible bullet or explosion marks on the vehicle is strange.
the violent overturning probably led to the casualties, with immediate medical help not possible.

Read the second line in my post, where I mentioned the possibility of sniper fire and taking out the driver.
An uncontrolled vehicle could be overturned, either by hitting the stones on the corner or an acute angle of steering.