Truth lost? Most military records of Bangladesh war missing

[Michael Corleone]

It will if nobody challenges it. So IF it is truthful then why don't the bengali government take those findings to the Hague to punish Pakistan if the bengali government REALLY believes those findings?.......... Or perhaps they themselves know the truth. Wikipedia is not reliable as they can be easily doctored by swathes of anti-Pakistani bigots from a particular country.

PS You are taking as if bengali universities are the best, producing all the world's best research and inventions.......

funny how the whole world's against pakistan... might have something to do with harboring osama bin laden but shit that's a lie ofc because everyone hates pakistan apparently for no reason

ps. last time i checked gravitational waves was observed and confirmed by a bengali born scientists who studiedd from bangladesh... among many others but oh well keep drumming your bell that whole world hates pakistan and its a greater conspiracy...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Don't go off topic, WHERE IS the inadmissible, GENUINE, HONEST, RELIABLE, IRREFUTABLE and INDEPENDENT evidence that proves that the Pakistan Army committed war crimes against bangladeshis in 1971? If there is as you claim, then why didn't the bengali government present that evidence to the Hague in order to punish Pakistan?

 

[Jackdaws]

The Americans also claimed that the Iraqis had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. The observations of a single journalist does not constitute as evidence but as mere conjecture.

How about indians like you worry about the massacres of indian Muslims by indian hindus before you point fingers at others. But then again you and your kind also believe that the iaf killed exactly 350 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16.........

Lol. Yes. The entire US consulate was lying in 71. As were all the papers around the world. So is the Associated Press. The British MPs.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Lol. Yes. The entire US consulate was lying in 71. As were all the papers around the world. So is the Associated Press. The British MPs.

32 years later, everyone you listed above was also claiming that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. IF the allegations against Pakistan was truthful, WHY didn't india/bangladesh present ANY evidence against Pakistan to the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague? Why did they destroy that evidence?............you and your ilk also claimed to have killed exactly 350 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16........are we supposed to believe that too?

 

[Che palle]

Instead of drumming the same shit over and over which has created so much fuss in the community, I told you to look into Pakistani sources on niazis accounts... and I only told you to check osmani up from Bengali sources. Either learn to comprehend or don’t whine like a woman

Please don't argue with that guy, LOL. He suffers from grandiose delusions and keeps chirping about how the "Pakistani race" is superior to the "Indian race", LOL.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Don't go off topic, WHERE IS the inadmissible, GENUINE, HONEST, RELIABLE, IRREFUTABLE and INDEPENDENT evidence that proves that the Pakistan Army committed war crimes against bangladeshis in 1971? If there is as you claim, then why didn't the bengali government present that evidence to the Hague in order to punish Pakistan?

Convenient for them, they don't have to prove anything and they can keep harping on figures.

Before we say anything against BD, they will quote economic development. Lol. As if a nation which took down two superpowers and humiliated India can be compared to a nation with hardly a military.

 

[Jackdaws]

32 years later, everyone you listed above was also claiming that Iraq had WMD that could destroy Europe in 30 mins. IF the allegations against Pakistan was truthful, WHY didn't india/bangladesh present ANY evidence against Pakistan to the War Crimes tribunal in the Hague? Why did they destroy that evidence?............you and your ilk also claimed to have killed exactly 350 terrorists in Balakot and shot down an F-16........are we supposed to believe that too?

Lol. Really? War Crimes Tribunal in Hague? I guess because we couldn't time travel to a court established in the 1990s or early 2000s for crimes committed in 1971.
We don't have evidence of either Balakot or F16 being shot down - I agree. Enough evidence for 71 is available. Just Google it.

 

[leonblack08]

Don't go off topic, WHERE IS the inadmissible, GENUINE, HONEST, RELIABLE, IRREFUTABLE and INDEPENDENT evidence that proves that the Pakistan Army committed war crimes against bangladeshis in 1971? If there is as you claim, then why didn't the bengali government present that evidence to the Hague in order to punish Pakistan?

I absolutely don't believe in the 3 million number that has been propagated in Bangladesh since 1971. That number was pitched for only political reasons, with a hidden agenda.

However, for someone like you, who believes there was no atrocity done by Pakistan Army in 1971, I suggest you start with reading the Chief Justice Hamoodur Rahman Commission report. It was set up by the Pakistan Government after the war in 1971. An excerpt from the report-

"13. Still another significant statement came from Brigadier Mian Taskeenuddin (Witness No. 282): "Many junior and other officers took the law into their own hands to deal with the so-called miscreants. There have been cases of interrogation of miscreants that were far more severe in character than normal and in some cases blatantly in front of the public. The discipline of the Pakistani army as was generally understood had broken down. In a command area (Dhoom Ghat) between September and October miscreants were killed by firing squads. On coming to know about it I stopped the same forthwith."
https://www.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/upload-2014/freedomintheair/pdf/Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report_Dawn (1).pdf

Atrocities were committed by both parties. Neither the Mukti Bahini nor the Pakistan army can claim to not have blood on their hands. We need to acknowledge it and forgive each other to move on.

 

[Old School]

I absolutely don't believe in the 3 million number that has been propagated in Bangladesh since 1971. That number was pitched for only political reasons.

However, for someone like you, who believes there was no atrocity was done by Pakistan Army in 1971, I suggest you start with reading the Chief Justice Hamoodur Rahman Commission report. It was set up by the Pakistan Government after the war in 1971. An excerpt from the report-

"13. Still another significant statement came from Brigadier Mian Taskeenuddin (Witness No. 282): "Many junior and other officers took the law into their own hands to deal with the so-called miscreants. There have been cases of interrogation of miscreants which were far more severe in character than normal and in some cases blatantly in front of the public. The discipline of the Pakistani army as was generally understood had broken down. In a command area (Dhoom Ghat) between September and October miscreants were killed by firing squads. On coming to know about it I stopped the same forthwith."
https://www.thedailystar.net/sites/default/files/upload-2014/freedomintheair/pdf/Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report_Dawn (1).pdf

Atrocities were committed by both parties. Neither the Mukti Bahini nor the Pakistan army can claim to not have blood on their hands. We need to acknowledge it and forgive each other to move on.

These killing numbers always pop up as soon as there is a discussion of Indo-Soviet hybrid war in East Pakistan during 1971. No one wants to talk about it but it will happen again as we see.

 

[Shah_Deu]

The records might have put that the fighters of mukti bahini were infact the bengali speaking indian soldiers in disguise!

 

[Old School]

The records might have put that the fighters of mukti bahini were infact the bengali speaking indian soldiers in disguise!

As in Syria, Afghanistan and Ukraine , various government soldiers pose as insurgents. This is hybrid war. It also happened in Korean and Vietnam war.
East Pakistan war was over before most Muktis could even finish their training let alone war experience.

 

[leonblack08]

These killing numbers always pop up as soon as there is a discussion of Indo-Soviet hybrid war in East Pakistan during 1971. No one wants to talk about it but it will happen again as we see.

The way it has been drilled into the psyche of Bangladeshis is that it feels like a taboo to even approach the topic.

But anyone with a little bit of thinking would understand that there simply not enough mass graves found after the war to support the 3 million claim. Most liberal estimate would be something between 100k to 300k, which will include the killings by PA, Rajakars and also the Mukti Bahini.

I had read an article a long time back, where a Russian journalist or a whistleblower (don't recall exactly) had claimed that KGB planned/sponsored/blessed the assassination of Sheikh Mujib because he was leaning towards Pakistan by trying to reconcile and eventually fall under US bloc. This makes me wonder that the entire break-up of Pakistan was a powerplay by Soviets to maintain control in its neighbourhood, through its proxy in India.

 

[Old School]

The way it has been drilled into the psyche of Bangladeshis is that it feels like a taboo to even approach the topic.

But anyone with a little bit of thinking would understand that there simply not enough mass graves found after the war to support the 3 million claim. Most liberal estimate would be something between 100k to 300k, which will include the killings by PA, Rajakars and also the Mukti Bahini.

I had read an article a long time back, where a Russian journalist or a whistleblower (don't recall exactly) had claimed that KGB planned/sponsored/blessed the assassination of Sheikh Mujib because he was leaning towards Pakistan by trying to reconcile and eventually fall under US bloc. This makes me wonder that the entire break-up of Pakistan was a powerplay by Soviets to maintain control in its neighbourhood, through its proxy in India.

You must read the Mitrokhin archives as well as WikiLeaks documents during those days.

 

[leonblack08]

You must read the Mitrokhin archives as well as WikiLeaks documents during those days.

Thanks, I will definitely look into that.

 

[Old School]

Thanks, I will definitely look into that.

You know that the most part of the original justice Hamoodur commission report was also destroyed by ZA Bhutto, the Soviet stooge. That original report talked about Indian hybrid war in details.