Trump’s Warning To Islamabad Has Formalised The China-Pakistan-Russia Axis

[MultaniGuy]

While I don't like the tone of your argument but ignoring that for a moment, let's see your argument.

What exactly is the probability of $200 per barrel. It is understood now that the oil will never even reach $100 ceiling ever again. Shale gas and renewable energy etc. Anyway if it does reach $200 then the whole world is f***** and so will be we. But we will not be affected as much as you guys. You country will see the strongest growth in Petroleum usage in the world till 2040. Last year alone you guys imported around $80 Billion worth of petroleum, and that was at less that $50 per barrel. Now at $200, quadruple that to $320 Billion, you already have a trade deficit of more than $130 Billion. So your foreign reserves will be depleted in a year. As I said we will all be f***** . But again thats not gonna happen.

Also as an Indian friend was trying to explain in another thread to my countrymen regarding Russian relationship with China and Pakistan vis a vis India, that International diplomacy does not work like school playground.

We can work with Iran while still staying at friendly terms with Saudis. We did not take part it their Yemeni debacle, and people were saying that our relationship with them is lost forever. But their armed forces were parading on our republic day, their air force was performing on our independence day, we are still training their forces and yes we are still benefiting from them economically.

You think we can not afford to lose KSA, but KSA also doesn't afford to lose us either. They can't afford to make an enemy out of Pakistan by kicking out our expatriates. They are already at odds with one regional power of muslim countries, do you think they will be foolish enough to make another.

Saudi Arabia has good relations with Pakistan.

It would be foolish for Saudi Arabia to dump Pakistan.

 

[Storm Force]

You first convince daddy 'Murica to ditch Pakistani supply routes. Your bluff theories don't add up. You don't attack a country which you beg to do more and rely for all sorts of assistance in a war you haven't won for 16 years LOL

BIG LOUD BRAVADO talk.

what you going to do about USA giving no dollars $$$$$$

AND no spares for your F16 in next war with INDIA.

and WHEN USA tell you DO MORE OR ELSE.

usa is publically humiliating you & your leaders.......... AND YOUR country says nothing
g

 

[MultaniGuy]

BIG LOUD BRAVADO talk.

what you going to do about USA giving no dollars $$$$$$

AND no spares for your F16 in next war with INDIA.

and WHEN USA tell you DO MORE OR ELSE.

usa is publically humiliating you & your leaders.......... AND YOUR country says nothing
g

Our leaders are not humiliated by USA.

China humiliated you in Doklam standoff.

 

[wiseone2]

While I don't like the tone of your argument but ignoring that for a moment, let's see your argument.

What exactly is the probability of $200 per barrel. It is understood now that the oil will never even reach $100 ceiling ever again. Shale gas and renewable energy etc. Anyway if it does reach $200 then the whole world is f***** and so will be we. But we will not be affected as much as you guys. You country will see the strongest growth in Petroleum usage in the world till 2040. Last year alone you guys imported around $80 Billion worth of petroleum, and that was at less that $50 per barrel. Now at $200, quadruple that to $320 Billion, you already have a trade deficit of more than $130 Billion. So your foreign reserves will be depleted in a year. As I said we will all be f***** . But again thats not gonna happen.

Also as an Indian friend was trying to explain in another thread to my countrymen regarding Russian relationship with China and Pakistan vis a vis India, that International diplomacy does not work like school playground.

We can work with Iran while still staying at friendly terms with Saudis. We did not take part it their Yemeni debacle, and people were saying that our relationship with them is lost forever. But their armed forces were parading on our republic day, their air force was performing on our independence day, we are still training their forces and yes we are still benefiting from them economically.

You think we can not afford to lose KSA, but KSA also doesn't afford to lose us either. They can't afford to make an enemy out of Pakistan by kicking out our expatriates. They are already at odds with one regional power of muslim countries, do you think they will be foolish enough to make another.

KSA does not need Pakistan. They need not kick Pakistani expatriates out. They can reduce Pakistani expatriates to the same numbers as Bangladeshis on per captia basis. They can sell oil to Pakistan. Maybe no discounts like others.

High oil prices hurt India. India has the money to keep going for a while. Right now Pakistan won't survive even a year.

What is the use of CPEC if the Saudis nix it ?

 

[PakSword]

where did yiu get your facts from ? Really nigga 60% non pakhtoon Afghanis ?

There is an Afghan basti in Mumbai as well.. where 60% hindus and 40% Afghan Pashtuns live..

 

[wiseone2]

Saudi Arabia has good relations with Pakistan.

It would be foolish for Saudi Arabia to dump Pakistan.

so a pakistani with an inflated view thinks

You first convince daddy 'Murica to ditch Pakistani supply routes. Your bluff theories don't add up. You don't attack a country which you beg to do more and rely for all sorts of assistance in a war you haven't won for 16 years LOL

we are talking about saudis not your big daddy

 

[war&peace]

Trump is working for Russian interests

 

[MultaniGuy]

so a pakistani with an inflated view thinks



we are talking about saudis not your big daddy

Pakistan is the only country with nuclear weapons.

What does Saudi Arabia have other than Makkah and Madinah?

Saudi Arabia cant dump Pakistan. Pakistan has huge leverage in Muslim world.

 

[PakSword]

Trump is working for Russian interests

I think Trump is working for Muslims..

Because of him, Muslims are getting united. At least in Pakistan, there is one thing on which everyone is now on the same page.. i.e. US is the number 2 enemy of Pakistan.

KSA does not need Pakistan. They need not kick Pakistani expatriates out. They can reduce Pakistani expatriates to the same numbers as Bangladeshis on per captia basis. They can sell oil to Pakistan. Maybe no discounts like others.

High oil prices hurt India. India has the money to keep going for a while. Right now Pakistan won't survive even a year.

What is the use of CPEC if the Saudis nix it ?

Have you ever visited Saudi?

 

[MultaniGuy]

I think Trump is working for Muslims..

Because of him, Muslims are getting united. At least in Pakistan, there is one thing on which everyone is now on the same page.. i.e. US is the number 2 enemy of Pakistan.



Have you ever visited Saudi?

Pakistanis have a huge expatriate community in Saudi Arabia

 

[PakSword]

Pakistanis have a huge expatriate community in Saudi Arabia

Doesn't matter.

Currently, they are kicking Americans out, from the key positions.

Anyone who doesn't believe me should call someone who works in any Saudi government's organization..

Saudi's have started seeing US as its enemy as well, since the congress allowed the victims of 9/11 to sue KSA and get monetary benefits probably from the Saudi funds stashed in US banks.

On August 02, KSA has filed a petition to drop the lawsuits as sovereign immunity applied here. But people say that since the congress has overridden the veto of Barak Obama last year, KSA may lose billions of dollars..

That will be an end to US/KSA fake love relationship...

 

[iajj]

But as Iranians warm up to Talibans, there lies the opportunity for Pakistan to mediate between them and come with a power sharing formula between Pushtun south and non-Pushtun north. Growing influence of ISIS in Afghanistan can act as a catalyst for reaching such an agreement.

Currently Iranians are not thrilled by the idea of US leaving Afghanistan as they know it will fall back into Taliban hands. But once such a formula is agreed upon, we will have a common interest in US leaving the region.

I think it is interesting how comfortable the americans are with leaving afghanistan while taliban are still active and strong in so many parts of the country. despite all the rhetoric against taliban and all the drone and aerial attacks against taliban, american political leaders and military planners have always made one conceptual distinction between al qaeda and taliban - in fact, from the get-go in 2001 and 1990's! they always recognized al qaeda as a extraterritorial, supranational forces with ideological grievances that cannot be settled through economic, territorial or political concessions, and it is this supranational dimension of its motivations that makes its terrorist methods inevitable and almost natural.

by contrast, taliban has always drawn its strength from very specific tribal and local grievances. one cannot imagine a more indigenous and blood-and-soil type of insurgency. taliban, in other words, can be accommodated by very concrete, local concessions - and even when they cannot, taliban lack the transnational appeal and organization to attack american soil, so americans can simply and safely LEAVE. and they gladly do so because they know that where taliban lack global aspirations and resources, they make it up with far superior ability in moblizing local resources and forging unshakable local solidarity with familial and ethnic bonds that cannot be broken with US bombs and bullets; therefore, even if US troops don't leave and choose to stay, they can never finish taliban the way they finished al qaeda. the ideological and organizational differences between a nativist taliban and a rootless al qaeda are the most importants lessons taught to americans after almost two decades of fighting in afghanistan.

and what the war taught an alien force like the US should be apparent and intuitive to regional players like iran and pakistan. which is why the US withdrawal may portend a reconciliation of iran, taliban and pakistan: if US can grasp the territorial and ethnic - rather than religious and ideological - ambitions of taliban and feel safe in exposing its back to a resurgent taliban in leaving afghanistan, then taliban's neighbors (tribes in afghanistan, in pakistan, and iran), too, should be able to see the nature of taliban's aspirations and see in the latter a potentially rational and purely transactional dialogue partner. what it takes is pragmatism, courage and reasonableness.

let's emphasise one thing: among tajiks, taliban, pashtuns, uzbeks, iran and pakistan, their roots and traditional territories intertwine; if sometimes they bring to the table demands and grievances that are too exaggerated or too greedy or too unreasonable, none is *illegitimate*. among zioists, saudis, americans (and the yindoo running dogs that want to ride uncle sam's coattails), or al qaeda, however, their aspirations are always ideological and transcendental; as such, they can never be brought to negotiate with each other because their objectives, albeit phrased in the most beautiful language of religious piety or democratic beliefs, are utterly illegitimate, unpragmatic and irrational, not to mention unreasonable. they are the real nutjobs whose influence on any negotiation among tajiks or pashtuns or taliban is forever one of sabotage and damnation.

russia and china are regional, pragmatic stakeholders with the narrower interest in seeing greater peace and more trade in the region. china and russia want to navigate their priorities for the region through dialogue, collaboration and sometimes hardball bargaining with the major players (iran, pakistan, all the ethnic groups, and taliban); and china and russia know to ignore the rootless and the nutjobs (al qaeda and US). i think chinese and russian leaders see the clear possibility of reciprocal accommodation among the truly indigenous and local stakeholders - hence the reconciliation among iranians, taliban, pakistanis and other afghan forces.

ultimately all the regional players will gain the intellectual clarity of what differentiates them from all the rootless, extra-regional forces and spurn the latter's malicious interference and sabotage of regional peace and prosperity. that intellectual clarity is at once the political foundation of the quadruple alliance of the four leading regional powers.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Americans are tired of seeing their soldiers maimed.

For some reasons, many veterans suffer from the same mental disorder. They see weired dreams and get into mental blocks with severe headaches which take a havoc on their jobs and family life. Some commit suicide or kill their loved ones. Not to mention the cost of continuos health care for the rest of their lives. These wars need to be stopped...

 

[PakSword]

Yeah, a few times in my childhood.

I asked the question from that guy who calls himself wiseone.. lolz..

 

[war&peace]

I asked the question from that guy who calls himself wiseone.. lolz..

Really I didn't see anyone.... perhaps he is on my ignores list.. And I was wondering why did you ask that..