Trump shocked as world leaders LAUGH at him during UN speech

[gambit]

I wouldn't be laughing.

The United States is decaying from within.

Its sheer hubris to think the US will be the dominant power forever.

Look at American society at large.

One example is the family unit which is being broken down.

This is gonna have major consequences going forward.

As for Trump specifically, he is responsible for normalizing alot of negative behaviors. i.e. bullying as cliched as that sounds.

Whether in the personal i.e the random youtube videos of white folk displaying overt racism or geopolitical sphere. i.e. Nikki Haley taking names in the UN on the Jerusalem vote (WTF was that all about?)

Either way, IMO Trump will go down as one of the worst presidents in the history of the US and will be responsible for accelerating the decline of the United States.

Am 55 yrs old. But politically speaking, I was borne in 1983 when I joined the USAF and gradually becoming a more politically conscious individual. Since 1983, I have lived thru many 'decline of the US' predictions, often as much as once a yr. All of these 'predictions' were before the Internet, so for many kids on this forum, that era does not exist. Never have. Each of these prehistoric 'prediction' contained the same words and phrases you, and others in this thread, used. Every time I read any 'analysis' on this forum, and I use that word 'analysis' very broadly, I get flashbacks of newspaper articles saying the same things.

'IMO'? I have gone thru many iterations and versions of 'IMO' from distinguished political scientists and commentators whose CVs contains long lists of mysterious initials and awards from who-knows-where organizations. All of those 'IMOs' turned out wrong, sometimes embarrassingly wrong, like Francis Fukuyama's 'The End Of History' wrong, and a few were even disastrously wrong, like the sudden, spectacular, and ignoble collapse of the USSR wrong. With today's Russia instead of the Soviet Union, geezers like me are no longer impressed with 'IMOs'. We pinched turds that are more impressive than 'IMOs'.

No, the US will not be the dominant power forever, but the US WILL outlast the many 'IMOs' expressed in this little corner of the Internet that it will seems the US will be dominant forever.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Am 55 yrs old. But politically speaking, I was borne in 1983 when I joined the USAF and gradually becoming a more politically conscious individual. Since 1983, I have lived thru many 'decline of the US' predictions, often as much as once a yr. All of these 'predictions' were before the Internet, so for many kids on this forum, that era does not exist. Never have. Each of these prehistoric 'prediction' contained the same words and phrases you, and others in this thread, used. Every time I read any 'analysis' on this forum, and I use that word 'analysis' very broadly, I get flashbacks of newspaper articles saying the same things.

'IMO'? I have gone thru many iterations and versions of 'IMO' from distinguished political scientists and commentators whose CVs contains long lists of mysterious initials and awards from who-knows-where organizations. All of those 'IMOs' turned out wrong, sometimes embarrassingly wrong, like Francis Fukuyama's 'The End Of History' wrong, and a few were even disastrously wrong, like the sudden, spectacular, and ignoble collapse of the USSR wrong. With today's Russia instead of the Soviet Union, geezers like me are no longer impressed with 'IMOs'. We pinched turds that are more impressive than 'IMOs'.

No, the US will not be the dominant power forever, but the US WILL outlast the many 'IMOs' expressed in this little corner of the Internet that it will seems the US will be dominant forever.

Compare the USA of 1991 with the USA of today.

@jhungary

In 1991, would any country dare to openly laugh at the USA in the United Nations? Let alone the entire world?

In fact, has the United Nations General Assembly ever openly laughed at a country like they did to the USA a few days ago?

Meanwhile Europe is launching a special trade vehicle to bypass all American sanctions on Iran.

 

[jhungary]

Compare the USA of 1991 with the USA of today.

@jhungary

In 1991, would any country dare to openly laugh at the USA in the United Nations? Let alone the entire world?

In fact, has the United Nations General Assembly ever openly laughed at a country like they did to the USA a few days ago?

Meanwhile Europe is launching a special trade vehicle to bypass all American sanctions on Iran.

I will say, wait your turn kiddo

One need to understand to laugh at the president, is different than laughing at the whole country. It doesn't really matter when and where or who to laugh at. It does not mean nothing beside that person deserve to be laugh at.

Most people don't understand, Trump is only ever going to be there for 8 years, you can laugh at him all you want in that 8 year, he alone does not control nor seriously represent the country. He can be and will be replaced, which is where the system is to be resilient about.

And think of it like that, you laugh at trump, but the world, China included, still need to listen to what he has to say, how sad is it for the world? In the end, WHAT ACTAULLY CHANGED?

Going back to the question, he obliviously know he wasn't serious, some may even said he is actually making a joke by saying "American's So True", you can see trump's grin right after that before everyone break into laugh at the UN.

Am 55 yrs old. But politically speaking, I was borne in 1983 when I joined the USAF and gradually becoming a more politically conscious individual. Since 1983, I have lived thru many 'decline of the US' predictions, often as much as once a yr. All of these 'predictions' were before the Internet, so for many kids on this forum, that era does not exist. Never have. Each of these prehistoric 'prediction' contained the same words and phrases you, and others in this thread, used. Every time I read any 'analysis' on this forum, and I use that word 'analysis' very broadly, I get flashbacks of newspaper articles saying the same things.

'IMO'? I have gone thru many iterations and versions of 'IMO' from distinguished political scientists and commentators whose CVs contains long lists of mysterious initials and awards from who-knows-where organizations. All of those 'IMOs' turned out wrong, sometimes embarrassingly wrong, like Francis Fukuyama's 'The End Of History' wrong, and a few were even disastrously wrong, like the sudden, spectacular, and ignoble collapse of the USSR wrong. With today's Russia instead of the Soviet Union, geezers like me are no longer impressed with 'IMOs'. We pinched turds that are more impressive than 'IMOs'.

No, the US will not be the dominant power forever, but the US WILL outlast the many 'IMOs' expressed in this little corner of the Internet that it will seems the US will be dominant forever.

From WW2 til now, all these "expected decline" speech coming and going, in the 60s, my father believe the world is going to hell in Nuclear Exchange, in the 70s everyone believe the world is going to end from the oil crisis, in the 80s, everyone say the world is ending with the financial crisis, in the 90s, we have the Y2K, in the 2000s we have terrorism, name a century and you can name one thing could have end the world.

Everyone laugh at Trump? Big Deal, I don't really care whether or not he is laughed at, people with minimal self-esteem would care about such thing, what more important is what he actually do and how the country picking up itself, I mean what is more important? Him being laughed in the UN at or Him doing his job as the POTUS?

What he said after he was laugh at is all true by the way, Stock Market is at 20 years high, unemployment is at 20 years low. Living standard improving with more capital overflow. That is what important. You can laugh at him at his expense, nobody, including trump, cares. At the end of the day, what counted is his performance.

One thing is funny tho, Trump himself is the one saying the world is laughing at the US back in 2012, so 6 years later, he put that in action lol

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And think of it like that, you laugh at trump, but the world, China included, still need to listen to what he has to say, how sad is it for the world?

I don't HAVE to listen to what he has to say, I listened to what he said because it was great.

America isolating itself in the world (Paris Climate Agreement, TPP, Iran nuclear deal, steel/aluminum tarrifs, etc.) is fantastic for China, Russia, Europe, the UK, and every other power out there. Just see Europe's special trade vehicle to bypass all US sanctions on Iran.

And it wasn't just the above countries that were openly laughing at the US President in the UN.

what more important is what he actually do and how the country picking up itself, I mean what is more important? Him being laughed in the UN at or Him doing his job as the POTUS?

Sure, Trump has "boosted" the economy by cutting trillions in taxes, as well as putting forth massive spending plans. How is that possible, when the USA already has (by far) the biggest budget deficit and the biggest trade deficit in the world? Oh right, more borrowing. And China will be happy to lend as much as anyone can borrow.

 

[jhungary]

I don't HAVE to listen to what he has to say, I listened to what he said because it was great.

America isolating itself in the world (Paris Climate Agreement, TPP, Iran nuclear deal, steel/aluminum tarrifs, etc.) is fantastic for China, Russia, Europe, the UK, and every other power out there. Just see Europe's special trade vehicle to bypass all US sanctions on Iran.

And it wasn't just the above countries that were openly laughing at the US President in the UN.

The world don't care what YOU have or have not have to listen to what he has to say, the world leader did, he was invited to host the UNGA meeting, not the Chinese premier. So yes, unless you see the Chinese leader walk off after he laugh at trump, then THE CHINESE LEADER HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAVE TO SAY.

And if you want to talk about Iran Sanction, you know who is the bigger by-pass of Iran sanction is? Coca-Cola.

If you think US loses any "soft power" and was isolated itself to the world since 1990, well, I can only say you are dreaming. The fact is that after pulling all these stunt, these country still sided with the US would have suggested otherwise.

Sure, Trump has "boosted" the economy by cutting trillions in taxes, as well as putting forth massive spending plans. How is that possible, when the USA already has (by far) the biggest budget deficit and the biggest trade deficit in the world? Oh right, more borrowing. And China will be happy to lend as much as anyone can borrow.

Wow, how much do you actually know about Financial Development?

So are you saying China underline the debt is what US have to count on for National Development? So on a 19 trillions Economy, what US have to count on is the 2 Trillion debt owing to China?

Debt, specifically, Public Debt is only a small part of budget funding toward national development, and as per US Dollar, United States HAVE TO be the biggest trade deficit nation in the world, otherwise all the USD the world using would worth nothing. About 60% of GDP each year go back to national redevelopment, in political term, the pie is always there, but how you slice the pie is different between each administration.

As an American, I don't care whether or not he is laughed at in the UN or on YouTube, I care about how my states or county have funding to do what they supposed to do, and my family and children have a job in the US.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The world don't care what YOU have or have not have to listen to what he has to say, the world leader did, he was invited to host the UNGA meeting, not the Chinese premier. So yes, unless you see the Chinese leader walk off after he laugh at trump, then THE CHINESE LEADER HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE HAVE TO SAY.

And if you want to talk about Iran Sanction, you know who is the bigger by-pass of Iran sanction is? Coca-Cola.

If you think US loses any "soft power" to the world since 1990, well, I can only say you are dreaming.




Wow, how much do you actually know about Financial Development?

So are you saying China underline the debt is what US have to count on for National Development? So on a 19 trillions Economy, what US have to count on is the 2 Trillion debt owing to China?

Debt, specifically, Public Debt is only a small part of budget funding toward national development, and as per US Dollar, United States HAVE TO be the biggest trade deficit nation in the world, otherwise all the USD the world using would worth nothing. About 60% of GDP each year go back to national redevelopment, in political term, the pie is always there, but how you slice the pie is different between each administration.

As an American, I don't care whether or not he is laughed at in the UN or on YouTube, I care about how my states or county have funding to do what they supposed to do, and my family and children have a job in the US.

Tell me, where is the money coming from to support these trillions in tax cuts and massive spending boosts? When America already has the worst budget deficit and trade deficit in the world?

Have you seen the latest numbers for the US budget deficit and trade deficit?

Bloomberg - U.S. Budget Deficit Swells to $898 Billion, Topping Forecast

CNBC - US trade deficit jumps by the most in 3 years

 

[jhungary]

Tell me, where is the money coming from to support these trillions in tax cuts and massive spending boosts? When America already has the worst budget deficit and trade deficit in the world?

Have you seen the latest numbers for the US budget deficit and trade deficit?

Do you have 7 months so I can go over the full 19 trillions budget with you?

Even if I do, I don't think you understand what and why is this. Because quite obviously you still don't understand why US in debt is good for US dollar.

Budget is not fixed, which mean depends on which administration, how you slice the budget into different category according to different need at that administration. Some administration focus on soft investment (like superannuation and education) where you do not have immediate result, some government focus on hard investment (like invest in port amenity or road/railway network) to increase positive result. Just because US is in national debt (which is not that big in percentage to begin with) that does not mean US does not have money to put into development project.

As for why debt is good for the US, in layman term, United States cannot guarantee dollar to dollar that have been issued to the world, bear in mind the world is using about 800 trillions US dollars, which US federal bank can only cover a portion of the amount in gold and/or other currency, which mean the rest of the amount would be appear as debt, however, since US dollar itself have value beside their face value, which mean debt owing by the country that is holding US dollar would have benefit from the interest rate. On the other hand, US would be benefit by the exchange rate from any country converting to US dollars per transaction (Buying the US Dollar)

Bloomberg - U.S. Budget Deficit Swells to $898 Billion, Topping Forecast

CNBC - US trade deficit jumps by the most in 3 years

Wow, I am applause how lack of financial knowledge you actually are...

First of all, being in budget deficit, that does not mean the country do not have any money to develop, that only mean they planned to use more money than they earn. And 900 billions (let's round it off) is not a big number compare to 19 trillions economy (that's 4%)

Trade Deficit is just that, Trade Deficit, that does not really related to anything except import and export, United States of America is NOT a secondary industry market, which mean I/E number did not reflect anything on United States Economy, (about 21% or 4 out of 19 trillions economy is from Import and Export)

 

[seesonic]

Do you have 7 months so I can go over the full 19 trillions budget with you?

Even if I do, I don't think you understand what and why is this. Because quite obviously you still don't understand why US in debt is good for US dollar.

Budget is not fixed, which mean depends on which administration, how you slice the budget into different category according to different need at that administration. Some administration focus on soft investment (like superannuation and education) where you do not have immediate result, some government focus on hard investment (like invest in port amenity or road/railway network) to increase positive result. Just because US is in national debt (which is not that big in percentage to begin with) that does not mean US does not have money to put into development project.

As for why debt is good for the US, in layman term, United States cannot guarantee dollar to dollar that have been issued to the world, bear in mind the world is using about 800 trillions US dollars, which US federal bank can only cover a portion of the amount in gold and/or other currency, which mean the rest of the amount would be appear as debt, however, since US dollar itself have value beside their face value, which mean debt owing by the country that is holding US dollar would have benefit from the interest rate. On the other hand, US would be benefit by the exchange rate from any country converting to US dollars per transaction (Buying the US Dollar)



Wow, I am applause how lack of financial knowledge you actually are...

First of all, being in budget deficit, that does not mean the country do not have any money to develop, that only mean they planned to use more money than they earn. And 900 billions (let's round it off) is not a big number compare to 19 trillions economy (that's 4%)

Trade Deficit is just that, Trade Deficit, that does not really related to anything except import and export, United States of America is NOT a secondary industry market, which mean I/E number did not reflect anything on United States Economy, (about 21% or 4 out of 19 trillions economy is from Import and Export)

You been exposed as a hot air writing nonsense.

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[gambit]

In fact, has the United Nations General Assembly ever openly laughed at a country like they did to the USA a few days ago?

Probably not. In fact, as some have researched, with the Trumpster, this is high probability that this is the first time that the UN Genital Assembly openly laughed at ANYONE.

Donald Trump is a sociopath, not the worse psychopath. He is also narcissistic, vain, immature, insecure, and overall an emotionally undisciplined man-child. His election to POTUS is not a sign that the American people approved of his traits, but that we are pissed off -- at EVERYTHING. People like you who lives far off and probably never or spent scant time in the US do not understand. You think the loudmouths who criticizes him incessantly on TV are representatives of the American people. The reality is that they are loudmouths precisely because they know they are not representatives of the American people. Trump's base cheers for him out of spite for people like you.

The American people never have and never will care for foreigners' approval of how we run our country. People like you mistook the opinions of the coastal population for being common with the middle, and Trump as POTUS is proof of that error. Trump was shocked that he was laughed at, but he is also keen enough to understand that it was not foreigners who put him in the presidency, never mind the alleged Russian connection, but that ultimately, it is the American people who he must please. In this, his common sense overrode his vanity. If the American people do not give even a dingleberry's worth of turd about foreigners' opinions of US, why should I? The 'I' meaning Trump asking himself.

If we change according to foreigners' wishes, like changing our healthcare system to match the Euros to earn their approval of US, would that make the Euros more willing to put US first over their interests? Abso-fokking-lutely NOT. Everyone puts his/her country's interests before others, including a country as powerful and prominent as US, no matter how much alike they are to each other.

So do you really think that laughing at Trump because he was laughed at in the UN is going to embarrass middle America? No, Donald Trump is the American middle finger to the world. And already he has given a few countries prostate exams with an ungloved hand with untrimmed fingernails.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

People like you mistook the opinions of the coastal population for being common with the middle, and Trump as POTUS is proof of that error.

Actually I think that analysis is completely correct.

Donald Trump represents middle America, the part of America that feels left behind by the policies of the liberal elite in Washington and Hollywood that do not cater to them, and in fact look down on them. In their mind, whatever upsets the liberal elite is something that makes their voices heard, and despite Trump's many faults he at least pays attention to their concerns in a way that the Washington/Hollywood elite do not.

A lesson for American liberals to learn, but it doesn't seem like they are learning anything at all.

Do you have 7 months so I can go over the full 19 trillions budget with you?

Even if I do, I don't think you understand what and why is this. Because quite obviously you still don't understand why US in debt is good for US dollar.

Budget is not fixed, which mean depends on which administration, how you slice the budget into different category according to different need at that administration. Some administration focus on soft investment (like superannuation and education) where you do not have immediate result, some government focus on hard investment (like invest in port amenity or road/railway network) to increase positive result. Just because US is in national debt (which is not that big in percentage to begin with) that does not mean US does not have money to put into development project.

Like I said, where is the money coming from, for all these trillions in tax cuts and spending plans? The US budget deficit is ballooning, so is the US trade deficit:

Bloomberg - U.S. Trade Gap Widens Most Since 2015; Record China Deficit

What Trump is doing is "passing the buck" down to the later generations who will have to pay for it. Massive increases in borrowing and deficit, which America's future generations will have to pay for.

 

[Sheepistanis]

It's shocking to the world that Trump's self-ridicule at the UN came as a shock to him.

 

[TaiShang]

What Trump is doing is "passing the buck" down to the later generations who will have to pay for it. Massive increases in borrowing and deficit, which America's future generations will have to pay for.

Exactly, Trump does not care much about the after-effects of his policies. He is starting a new trend of extreme irrationality in US politics and, like anything new, this creates interest and enthusiasm.

Trump is an old man with this position is his last and greatest signature as a celebrity for life. I believe he does not even care the regular poor folk, but those that he identifies himself with in terms of race.

The low Mr. Trump has carried the US in the global politics is "unpresidented" and will be remembered warmly by rival strategists in other countries, including in Europe. And probably mostly in Europe.

The another "unpresidented" move regarding Europe's renewed sense of independence can be seen in the joint effort to isolate the US from destroying the Iranian nuclear deal.

I do not see the US also being respected in Syria -- even by its former ally in crime, Turkey.

I guess the LAUGH was and is real.

 

[jhungary]

Like I said, where is the money coming from, for all these trillions in tax cuts and spending plans? The US budget deficit is ballooning, so is the US trade deficit:

Bloomberg - U.S. Trade Gap Widens Most Since 2015; Record China Deficit

What Trump is doing is "passing the buck" down to the later generations who will have to pay for it. Massive increases in borrowing and deficit, which America's future generations will have to pay for.

You do know even with Budget Deficit, the US government still charge tax and the US GDP still have 19 trillions earn to charge tax from?

Just because I have a budget deficit, that does not mean my country have no money to do whatever it needed to do, that just mean I have more expense than return.

And if you want to know where these deficit goes? That goes to the US dollars, as I pointed out in previous post, USD survive on DEBT, because EVERYONE, including China, are using it. If you want US to guarantee EVERY DOLLAR of value in the market in the world, US Federal Reserve simply CANNOT do that, and if it was forced to do it, then it mean the dollar value have to be deflate significantly. Which mean the USD everybody holding (Not just with the American) will worth nothing.

So the deficit is a normal thing, and yes, it is covered by the USD induced debt. Which mean, you and me are paying for US development, even if you are not a US Citizen.

You don't want to pay for it? Ask China stop using US Dollars altogether, and not just stop buying National Debt.

 

[gambit]

Donald Trump represents middle America,...

Mmmm...I hesitate to use the word 'represent' so broadly.

The Trumpster is a typical 'cityslicker' by midwestern standards. Trump cannot relate to ranchers and farmers, or anyone and anything outside of NYC proper, for that matter. The only appearance we know of Trump is business and golf attires. Nothing so lowly as dirt or motor grease under the fingernails.

But Trump is a typical 'used cars salesman' and he knows how to observe and bring to the fore what is normally kept in the intellectual and emotional backroom. He played to their anxieties and even to their fears, including the worst kinds.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Which mean the USD everybody holding (Not just with the American) will worth nothing.

That's why China will never dump US treasury bonds, because if China starts dumping them then everyone else will too, and eventually the trillions of treasury bonds we are holding will be worth nothing.

You don't want to pay for it? Ask China stop using US Dollars altogether, and not just stop buying National Debt.

China will never stop lending money to the US. As long as there is a market for US treasury bills, bonds and other such securities, China will continue to buy them. Whether directly or through intermediaries.

Don't you understand, China is the one who doesn't want the USA to collapse, we are benefiting the most from the current world order.

It is in fact the USA who is going in a suicidal direction under Donald Trump, by declaring a trade war against the whole world, and recklessly cutting trillions in taxes while putting through enormous spending plans. Expanding what was already the worlds largest trade and budget deficits, all financed on larger and larger amounts of borrowing.

That's not even mentioning the political and diplomatic catastrophes that are going on within America itself and it's relations with the rest of the world. America under Donald Trump is a vision of America retreating into unsustainable isolationism.