Trump says Jerusalem will be Israel’s ‘undivided capital’ under Middle East peace plan

[A.P. Richelieu]

the wall or Buraq wall or wailing wall whatever you call it is in western side of temple mount not southern side that Al-Aqsa is situated
as it seems that you are not aware of the geography of temple mount let post another picture of the wailing wall

gain its away from Al-Aqsa and has nothing to do with it.
by the way the wall is not part of the temple, why you insist on spreading the misinformation ?
its part of retaining wall that Herod built when he wanted to expand temple mount . but it was not part of the second temple you can see it by the pilgrims who put their hand in the crack of the wall while praying , if it was part of the second temple they were not allowed to do so.

 

[Pakistani E]

This post started off good....but ended up delusional. Let Israel have the land? DAMN BRO....what would Pakistan be today withiout all its land? Why you fighting for Kashmir if you dont need the land??

The Israelis and Arabs can sort this out between them. They don't need a poor, miskeen nation like Pakistan to interfere in their brotherly relations. Arabs don't care about Kashmir either, it's a win win situation for them.

 

[Hack-Hook]

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whats exactly the purpose of this post . it say what i already said

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

whats exactly the purpose of this post . it say what i already said

It shows that the whole temple mount is considered holy for the Jews.
It means that both the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa is built on Jewish Holy Ground.

 

[Hack-Hook]

It shows that the whole temple mount is considered holy for the Jews.
It means that both the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa is built on Jewish Holy Ground.

You seems can't understand that temple mount is considered sacred for all abrahamic religion.
By the way dome of rock is not a mosque or anything such is that it's just a building to protect the foundation stone which is important for Jews and muslim and Christian. If you just want to destroy the 1000 year old building and risk damage to foundation stone because you don't like the architecture then you are welcome to explain it to Muslim and christian and Jews.

And for the record Al-assa is not built upon temple mount but on it's extension.

 

[Ghazwa-e-Hind]

Israel will now attack Lebanon and take over Jordan.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

You seems can't understand that temple mount is considered sacred for all abrahamic religion.
By the way dome of rock is not a mosque or anything such is that it's just a building to protect the foundation stone which is important for Jews and muslim and Christian. If you just want to destroy the 1000 year old building and risk damage to foundation stone because you don't like the architecture then you are welcome to explain it to Muslim and christian and Jews.

And for the record Al-assa is not built upon temple mount but on it's extension.

I do understand that it is considered holy by all abrahamic religions, yet Muslims riot when a non Muslim enters the temple mount.
Muslims riot when Israelis wants to search for remnants of the Temple of Solomon.
Muslims simply do not want to share the Temple Mount.

Israel, on the other hand, does not allow their Jewish citizens to be on the Temple Mount to avoid such riots.

You are talking about destroying buildings, and that is on You.
I think a much better solution is to forbid everyone to enter the Temple Mount, and I do not buy your argument about an extension not beeing part of the Temple Mount.

Herod had a vast square built around the main temple building, and everything on that level is considered to be the Temple Mount. If someone today adds to the square, they are simple extending the Temple Mount.

 

[Hack-Hook]

I do understand that it is considered holy by all abrahamic religions, yet Muslims riot when a non Muslim enters the temple mount.

Non Muslim enter temple mount on daily bases .

Muslims riot when Israelis wants to search for remnants of the Temple of Solomon.
Muslims simply do not want to share the Temple Mount.

When they dig around the foundation of Al-aqsa as its certain that temple of Solomon is not near Al-assa mosque. And digging around the Mosque will weaken its foundation (you knew the Mosque is not over temple mount itself its over the man made expansion of the mount and it's foundation is not that strong.

Israel, on the other hand, does not allow their Jewish citizens to be on the Temple Mount to avoid such riots.

More because of some rabbinical decree about walking over the inner sanctum by normal people .

Herod had a vast square built around the main temple building, and everything on that level is considered to be the Temple Mount. If someone today adds to the square, they are simple extending the Temple Mount.

And temple mount don't belong to Jews.
By the way if some religion observation prohibit Jews of entering the temple mount why others must be barred from entering it ?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Non Muslim enter temple mount on daily bases .

When they dig around the foundation of Al-aqsa as its certain that temple of Solomon is not near Al-assa mosque. And digging around the Mosque will weaken its foundation (you knew the Mosque is not over temple mount itself its over the man made expansion of the mount and it's foundation is not that strong.

More because of some rabbinical decree about walking over the inner sanctum by normal people .

And temple mount don't belong to Jews.
By the way if some religion observation prohibit Jews of entering the temple mount why others must be barred from entering it ?

Ok, so I mixed together the rules for the Temple Mount and Al Aqsa itself.
While it was in Arab hands there was a ban. After the six-day war non-Muslims can enter the temple mount for 3-4 hours per day, but may not visit Al-Aqsa or the Dome of the Rock.
Non-Muslim religious activity is banned.
During Muslim holidays, non-Muslims may not enter.
So it is really not equality.
https://www.earthtrekkers.com/how-to-visit-temple-mount-dome-of-the-rock/

In order to have fairness, then the following rules should apply.

• banning EVERYONE from visiting Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock.
• Or let them alternate between a Mosque, a Synagogue and a Church.
• or let everyone visit.
• Each religion gets equal visiting time.
• banning of ALL prayers and religious services, or allow all religions to perform services.
• banning all other religions when a specific religion has a religious holiday
• etc.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Ok, so I mixed together the rules for the Temple Mount and Al Aqsa itself.
While it was in Arab hands there was a ban. After the six-day war non-Muslims can enter the temple mount for 3-4 hours per day, but may not visit Al-Aqsa or the Dome of the Rock.
Non-Muslim religious activity is banned.
During Muslim holidays, non-Muslims may not enter.
So it is really not equality.
https://www.earthtrekkers.com/how-to-visit-temple-mount-dome-of-the-rock/

In order to have fairness, then the following rules should apply.

• banning EVERYONE from visiting Al-Aqsa and the Dome of the Rock.
• Or let them alternate between a Mosque, a Synagogue and a Church.
• or let everyone visit.
• Each religion gets equal visiting time.
• banning of ALL prayers and religious services, or allow all religions to perform services.
• banning all other religions when a specific religion has a religious holiday
• etc.

there are some problem here do you support the idea that because a Hindu can't eat cow meat let ban it for all
a jew can't enter dome of rock because he can't walk over the place of inner sanctum of Solomon temple and they are not allowed to walk over it , a Muslim have no such reservation.
your solution is equal to say because a jew cant work on Saturday let ban working on Saturday for every one .
and the rest of your suggestion is logistically not feasible (honestly from where you get the idea to rotate between mosque ,church and synagogue) , as i said a jew can't enter temple mount unless it become clear where is the exact place of inner sanctum . honestly a rabbi can explain it far better than me.

right now Jews and Muslim praying there as close as they are religiously allowed to go near temple mount.
by the way as far as I'm aware everybody can visit Al-aqsa but obviously not in praying time and please if you don't start another uprising don't come with armed escort or start preaching Zionism teaching there. about dome of rock the ban on non Muslim is the result of recent clashes with Palestinian and Israeli . if memory serve me correct non Muslim could enter it around 2000 and before that my guess when the situation calm down there they again can enter it.

you see such incidence is the reason non muslim barred from entering Dome of Rock.
https://www.eappi.org/en/blog/who-is-allowed-on-the-al-aqsa-mosque-compound
if these small extremist groups get checked every one would be a lot happier and many restriction will be removed.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

there are some problem here do you support the idea that because a Hindu can't eat cow meat let ban it for all
a jew can't enter dome of rock because he can't walk over the place of inner sanctum of Solomon temple and they are not allowed to walk over it , a Muslim have no such reservation.
your solution is equal to say because a jew cant work on Saturday let ban working on Saturday for every one .
and the rest of your suggestion is logistically not feasible (honestly from where you get the idea to rotate between mosque ,church and synagogue) , as i said a jew can't enter temple mount unless it become clear where is the exact place of inner sanctum . honestly a rabbi can explain it far better than me.

right now Jews and Muslim praying there as close as they are religiously allowed to go near temple mount.
by the way as far as I'm aware everybody can visit Al-aqsa but obviously not in praying time and please if you don't start another uprising don't come with armed escort or start preaching Zionism teaching there. about dome of rock the ban on non Muslim is the result of recent clashes with Palestinian and Israeli . if memory serve me correct non Muslim could enter it around 2000 and before that my guess when the situation calm down there they again can enter it.

you see such incidence is the reason non muslim barred from entering Dome of Rock.
https://www.eappi.org/en/blog/who-is-allowed-on-the-al-aqsa-mosque-compound
if these small extremist groups get checked every one would be a lot happier and many restriction will be removed.

There are secular jews that do not care about rabbis.
Al-Aqsa was a Church at the time of the crusades.
Nothing stopping it to become Church permanently, if Muslims do not want to rotate.
You are failing to admit that non-Muslims are discriminated on the Temple Mount, even though the evidence is clear,
Until You do, do not expect any sympathy.
Do not expect respect for Muslim holy places when none are shown in return.
That is how the world works.

 

[Hack-Hook]

There are secular jews that do not care about rabbis.
Al-Aqsa was a Church at the time of the crusades.
Nothing stopping it to become Church permanently, if Muslims do not want to rotate.
You are failing to admit that non-Muslims are discriminated on the Temple Mount, even though the evidence is clear,
Until You do, do not expect any sympathy.
Do not expect respect for Muslim holy places when none are shown in return.
That is how the world works.

wrong at the time of crusade Al-Aqsa was a palace , dome of the rock was a church and Marwani mosque was were they kept their horses.
and non Muslims have access (obviously outside praying time) but some ultra orthodox jew made the situation so that their access got limited (no longer they can go inside Dome of rock) when the situation become normal they get access again

i don't recall Muslim go to wailing wall and be unrespectful

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

wrong at the time of crusade Al-Aqsa was a palace , dome of the rock was a church and Marwani mosque was were they kept their horses.
and non Muslims have access (obviously outside praying time) but some ultra orthodox jew made the situation so that their access got limited (no longer they can go inside Dome of rock) when the situation become normal they get access again

i don't recall Muslim go to wailing wall and be unrespectful

The question is if Christians and Jews have EQUAL access or not.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The question is if Christians and Jews have EQUAL access or not.
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Just a chapel not a church and don't forget it added to a mosque not to a church that converted to a mosque there never was a Jewish temple or church in the site of al-aqsa mosque .
And as I said before 2000-2001 they had reasonable access to the Al-aqsa Mosque and Dome of Rock

 

[sammuel]

Just a chapel not a church and don't forget it added to a mosque not to a church that converted to a mosque there never was a Jewish temple or church in the site of al-aqsa mosque .
And as I said before 2000-2001 they had reasonable access to the Al-aqsa Mosque and Dome of Rock

I have been following your conversation , have not joined in because I think Human life is more important than some stone structure.

But you are right that all main stream Rabbis prohibit going up the temple mount , since no one knows for sure exactly where the holly place of the temple was located.

I thought it worth mentioning , that the third prophesied temple that is supposed to come at the end of days , is not something that man can build by himself. As it is supposed to represent a situation where man will have a direct connection to God.

If you remember , both temples where built in a time when we still had living prophets walking among us.

If some man attempts to build it on his own today , it would be just another house of bricks and stones , with no spiritual value what so ever , and of those we have plenty of.

Even worse, it would be a source of conflict rather than peace , not at all what was promised by the prophets.


Here is how the prophet Isaiah describes it :

" And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. "

Isaiah 2:2


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