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Trump ponders crackdown on Pakistan over terror ties despite experts' warnings
As US mulls strategy over country’s support for terrorist groups in Afghanistan, experts say tougher stance could drive Pakistan toward China and Russia

Authors: Sune Engel Rasmussen in Kabul and Julian Borger in Washington

The Trump administration is considering taking a harder stance against Pakistanfor supporting terrorist groups in Afghanistan, but experts warn that pressure alone will not bring peace.

Similar tactics have failed in the past, and analysts warn that the US can only influence the south Asian country by coupling force with diplomacy, which Donald Trump seems to shun.

And attempts to strong-arm Islamabad could push it deeper into a growing alliance with China and Russia, and lead to more instability.

China in particular offers Pakistan an opportunity to counter the strengthened union between the US and India, whose presence in Afghanistan the Pakistani military considers an existential threat.

Among the tools considered by the Trump administration, according to Reuters, are expanding drone strikes, withholding aid and revoking Pakistan’s status as a major non-Nato ally.

But attempts to bully Pakistan into submission will only drive Islamabad further toward China, said Ayesha Siddiqa, author and research associate at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London.

“It also means that in Afghanistan, there will be more violence. Pakistan sees Afghanistan as an American-Indian project against Pakistani interests,” she said.

US policy on Afghanistan is evolving at a time when the defence department is particularly powerful in policy-making, after Trump delegated authority to his defence secretary, James Mattis, to set troop deployment levels there.

Meanwhile the state department is weakened by a continuing outflow of veteran diplomats and a notable lack of urgency in replacing them on the part of the secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, who has backed plans to cut the departmental budget by a third.

On Friday, the acting special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan (SRAP), Laurel Miller, left the post along with her deputy, leaving doubts over the future of the position, which was created in 2009 by Barack Obama. A state department statement said that Tillerson “has not made a decision” on the issue.

“It’s a distinction without a difference whether a decision has been made, since there is functionally nobody in the office,” said James Cunningham, a former US ambassador to Afghanistan. “The key part of this isn’t whether there is an SRAP office. It is how is the senior official who is responsible for these issues, and as far as I know, that basically doesn’t exist. This is all part of the whittling down, eviscerating, debilitating of the state department’s ability to participate effectively in diplomacy.”

Economically, China has long surpassed the US in importance in Pakistan. The crown jewel in China’s Pakistani venture is a $62bn infrastructure project, the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor. But China has also acquired everything from power companies and contracts to collect garbage to stakes in the Karachi stock exchange.

Pakistan is widely believed to harbour and support Taliban militants, and has been regarded as a spoiler in peace talks.

“It’s unprecedented and very different from what Pakistani-American relations ever were. While the US invested in Pakistan, its dominance will never be like what the Chinese will be,” said Siddiqa.

For Russia, a US-Pakistani rift opens space to oppose American power, as it does through proxies in Syria.

Western officials in Kabul believe, partly for this reason, that Russia has increased its weapons support for the Taliban.

“If I were Putin, I’d be smirking and thinking, this is my chance to get back at the Americans and turn Afghanistan into another Vietnam,” said Siddiqa.

Russia has admitted to sharing intelligence with the Taliban, to fight Isis affiliates.

The Pakistani defence minister has called on Russia to take the lead in stabilising Afghanistan, and in September, Russia and Pakistan conducted their first joint military drill near Peshawar.

However, Hassan Askari Rizvi, a Pakistani analyst, said there is a limit to how much diplomatic turbulence countries in the region are willing to cause.

“For Russia, the first preference in south Asia is obviously India, and therefore Pakistan is not expecting a major shift in relations in the near future,” he said. “There may be a downgrading of relations between them, but Pakistan and US will not totally abandon each other.”

However, he cautioned against intensifying drone strikes on Pakistani soil. “Drones will not help,” he said. “If they are used on the mainland, Pakistan will not accept it, and might retaliate by shooting some drones down,” he said.

Barack Obama also tried to coerce Pakistan, by cutting economic assistance and lowering diplomatic contacts. For instance, Obama never visited Islamabad in his eight years as president.

Obama also reached out to Pakistan’s arch-rival, India, whose prime minister Narendra Modi was welcomed by Trump at the White House on Monday, amid reports that India would buy 22 US Guardian drones for its navy and discuss the possible shift of production of F-16s fighter jets to India.

“Thank you very much for … ordering equipment from the United States. Always makes us feel very good,” Trump said in a joint appearance with Modi in the White House cabinet room. “There’s nobody makes military equipment like we make military equipment.”

If one thing unites various regional powers, it is suspicion of American motives in Afghanistan. In a desire to deny the US its monopoly as a powerbroker, Moscow invited delegates from 12 countries to a peace conference on Afghanistan in March.

Meanwhile, the US is likely planning a deployment of 4,000 additional troops to its longest war.

Countries in the region have long suspected the US of wanting a permanent base in Afghanistan under the guise of fighting terrorists. “They do not believe in the counter terrorism bona fides of the US,” said Barnett Rubin, director of the Afghanistan-Pakistan Regional Program at New York University.

He added that a troop surge and hard Pakistan line can only succeed if coupled with strong diplomacy. “But they can’t do that by slashing the state department by one-third,” he said.

Afghans have lived under a geopolitical tug-of-war since Russia’s and Britain’s 19th century Great Game. Now it seems more countries than ever are willing to expend political and economic capital to maintain a foothold.

“Unless there is an agreement about Afghanistan between Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan, India and the US, Afghanistan will be unstable,” Rubin said. “And if the idea is that Afghanistan is defended and secured by becoming an American base, there won’t be an agreement.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/27/trump-pakistan-terror-afghanistan-china-russia
 
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Pakistan is the US' exit strategy from Afghanistan and ironically it can be used both ways.

1. The US can blame the matter on Pakistan. Slap some sanctions, attack some border positions, declare victory and move out, leaving Afghanistan to burn as it always has. Basically make Pakistan the Laos to their new Vietnam, Afghanistan.

2. Alternatively, they can stop trying to fight an unconventional war through conventional means and listen to Pakistan when it says that the Kabul Govt and the Taliban should be allowed to sit on the negotiating table as equals. After a decade and a half, they've already co-opted the Butcher of Kabul, its a consolation prize considering Pakistan was offering them the chance to bring the Afghan Taliban to the table under Mullah Mansoor. The US opted to pursue tactical objectives over strategic ones and Afghanistan became the hot mess that it is now. Furthermore, Pakistan lost its ability to convince the Taliban to agree to talks.
Their best bet now is to listen to need of the times and step back to allow the Quadrilateral Process to try and find a peaceful solution to the problem. The US has tried plenty of troop surges, the US can never win this war because they can never fight this war as locals.
 
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Pakistan is the US' exit strategy from Afghanistan and ironically it can be used both ways.

1. The US can blame the matter on Pakistan. Slap some sanctions, attack some border positions, declare victory and move out, leaving Afghanistan to burn as it always has. Basically make Pakistan the Laos to their new Vietnam, Afghanistan.

2. Alternatively, they can stop trying to fight an unconventional war through conventional means and listen to Pakistan when it says that the Kabul Govt and the Taliban should be allowed to sit on the negotiating table as equals. After a decade and a half, they've already co-opted the Butcher of Kabul, its a consolation prize considering Pakistan was offering them the chance to bring the Afghan Taliban to the table under Mullah Mansoor. The US opted to pursue tactical objectives over strategic ones and Afghanistan became the hot mess that it is now. Furthermore, Pakistan lost its ability to convince the Taliban to agree to talks.
Their best bet now is to listen to need of the times and step back to allow the Quadrilateral Process to try and find a peaceful solution to the problem. The US has tried plenty of troop surges, the US can never win this war because they can never fight this war as locals.
It still baffles me why Pakistan is not being pro-active in this matter and allowing India to capitalize and sell its narrative. One must ask the question - does Pakistan even have a foreign policy for US and Afghanistan?

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Afghanistan seems to be a lost cause when it comes to addressing its problems with firepower. You cannot convert a backward 'warlord culture' into a civilization in a span of decade or two with use of arms mostly. A broader strategy is necessary.

Americans have employed a hybrid strategy of conventional and counterterrorism operations to defeat enemy forces in Afghanistan but results are mixed. Al-Qaeda Network is done and dusted but ISIS have emerged in its place and is drawing men from even Taliban to its cause. Taliban is no longer a major fighting force like it used to be before 2001 but it retains the capability to harass Afghan government in different parts of the country. Even though US has killed a large number of militants and extremists in both Pakistan and Afghanistan but operations continue.

I still believe that this war is winnable but persistence is the key.

I think US and Pakistan need to sit together and draw a long-term plan for Afghanistan with following objectives:

1. We push Taliban to embrace Afghan regime (and democracy) by convincing them that fighting will help no party and ISIS will hijack its mandate.

2. We convince Afghan regime to drop its Anti-Pakistan slogans with promises of economic investment and cooperation in War on Terror.

3. We convince Afghan regime that India will continue to stir trouble between Pakistan and Afghanistan and this is not good for peace in the region. Therefore, Afghan regime should restrict Indian involvement to economic aspects mostly.

I do not say that the aforementioned objectives are easy to accomplish but they are a way forward. We can also bring China into the picture as a mediator between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Taliban - by itself - is not the future and we should be weary of Russian designs in Afghanistan. They should not be allowed to complicate matters further.
 
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It still baffles me why Pakistan is not being pro-active in this matter and allowing India to capitalize and sell its narrative. One must ask the question - does Pakistan even have a foreign policy for US and Afghanistan?

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Afghanistan seems to be a lost cause when it comes to addressing its problems with firepower. You cannot convert a backward 'warlord culture' into a civilization in a span of decade or two with use of arms mostly. A broader strategy is necessary.

Americans have employed a hybrid strategy of conventional and counterterrorism operations to defeat enemy forces in Afghanistan but results are mixed. Al-Qaeda Network is done and dusted but ISIS have emerged in its place and is drawing men from even Taliban to its cause. Taliban is no longer a major fighting force like it used to be before 2001 but it retains the capability to harass Afghan government in different parts of the country. Even though US has killed a large number of militants and extremists in both Pakistan and Afghanistan but operations continue.

I still believe that this war is winnable but persistence is the key.

I think US and Pakistan need to sit together and draw a long-term plan for Afghanistan with following objectives:

1. We push Taliban to embrace Afghan regime (and democracy) by convincing them that fighting will help no party and ISIS will hijack its mandate.

2. We convince Afghan regime to drop its Anti-Pakistan slogans with promises of economic investment and cooperation in War on Terror.

3. We convince Afghan regime that India will continue to stir trouble between Pakistan and Afghanistan and this is not good for peace in the region. Therefore, Afghan regime should restrict Indian involvement to economic aspects mostly.

I do not say that the aforementioned objectives are easy to accomplish but they are a way forward. We can also bring China into the picture as a mediator between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Taliban - by itself - is not the future and we should be weary of Russian designs in Afghanistan. They should not be allowed to complicate matters further.

Pakistan has tried extensively to get the US to listen to its concerns in Afghanistan and has raised the points you have noted several times with limited success.
Pakistan has always been proactive with the Afghan peace process because what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan the most. We've already lost four decades to a war that raged across the border and we do not want to lose any more.
Unfortunately however, Uncle Sam is completely infatuated with the world's largest democracy and feels that they can do a better job in stabilizing Afghanistan than Pakistan can, with its Islamic roots and powerful military.
Any concerns that Pakistan raises with regards to Delhi are simply rejected by the US by being out of spite of India.
Over time, the US has nudged Pakistan to the corners of the Afghan peace process to accommodate India. The results, speak for themselves. Helmand and Mizar-e-Shareef have all but fallen, the Taliban are hitting Kabul harder than ever before. ISAF losses are up, Afghan losses are at a record high and the Afghans are now fighting not only the Taliban but IS as well.
Pakistan can only try and talk sense with the US, in the end, its their playground and they'll play ball with whoever they wish.
 
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Pakistan has tried extensively to get the US to listen to its concerns in Afghanistan and has raised the points you have noted several times with limited success.
Pakistan has always been proactive with the Afghan peace process because what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan the most. We've already lost four decades to a war that raged across the border and we do not want to lose any more.
Unfortunately however, Uncle Sam is completely infatuated with the world's largest democracy and feels that they can do a better job in stabilizing Afghanistan than Pakistan can, with its Islamic roots and powerful military.
Any concerns that Pakistan raises with regards to Delhi are simply rejected by the US by being out of spite of India.
Over time, the US has nudged Pakistan to the corners of the Afghan peace process to accommodate India. The results, speak for themselves. Helmand and Mizar-e-Shareef have all but fallen, the Taliban are hitting Kabul harder than ever before. ISAF losses are up, Afghan losses are at a record high and the Afghans are now fighting not only the Taliban but IS as well.
Pakistan can only try and talk sense with the US, in the end, its their playground and they'll play ball with whoever they wish.
Sir,

We had a 'working relationship' with Bush administration in these matters but things went downhill for Pakistan since Obama administration in US and Zardari administration in Pakistan. Reasons might be multiple and complex.

There is hope with Trump administration because it sees things a bit differently. However, pro-active foreign policy on our part is almost absent this time.

We have taken our problems with Obama administration to heart (understandably) but we forgot that foreign policy is continous work, specially in difficult times.

We cannot give up now. US is contemplating a new course of action for this region and we are waiting? Now is the right time to reach out to Trump administration.
 
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Pakistan has tried extensively to get the US to listen to its concerns in Afghanistan and has raised the points you have noted several times with limited success.
Pakistan has always been proactive with the Afghan peace process because what happens in Afghanistan affects Pakistan the most. We've already lost four decades to a war that raged across the border and we do not want to lose any more.
Unfortunately however, Uncle Sam is completely infatuated with the world's largest democracy and feels that they can do a better job in stabilizing Afghanistan than Pakistan can, with its Islamic roots and powerful military.
Any concerns that Pakistan raises with regards to Delhi are simply rejected by the US by being out of spite of India.
Over time, the US has nudged Pakistan to the corners of the Afghan peace process to accommodate India. The results, speak for themselves. Helmand and Mizar-e-Shareef have all but fallen, the Taliban are hitting Kabul harder than ever before. ISAF losses are up, Afghan losses are at a record high and the Afghans are now fighting not only the Taliban but IS as well.
Pakistan can only try and talk sense with the US, in the end, its their playground and they'll play ball with whoever they wish.
As expected there is usual India bashing with lot of in-congruent facts which doesn't make any sense. I wont get into it.

The problem with pakistan is that they dont think like a statesman but like mercenaries with only dangerous short term objectives in mind. In pursuance of short term objectives ppl of the country are the one who get sacrificed.

If Taliban comes to power in afghanistan by violence, they wont stop there. They will simply apply the same logic to pakistan as well.
Pakistan thinks they can control taliban or they will be good to them, thats nonsense. Taliban will simply claim that they defeated america a superpower and they can defeat pakistan as well. ppl who indulge in violence will never give it up. It will simply lead to a situation like that one in syria/iraq. Pakistan should be happy that america is taking the hit rather than themselves.
 
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Pakistan is the US' exit strategy from Afghanistan and ironically it can be used both ways.

1. The US can blame the matter on Pakistan. Slap some sanctions, attack some border positions, declare victory and move out, leaving Afghanistan to burn as it always has. Basically make Pakistan the Laos to their new Vietnam, Afghanistan.

2. Alternatively, they can stop trying to fight an unconventional war through conventional means and listen to Pakistan when it says that the Kabul Govt and the Taliban should be allowed to sit on the negotiating table as equals. After a decade and a half, they've already co-opted the Butcher of Kabul, its a consolation prize considering Pakistan was offering them the chance to bring the Afghan Taliban to the table under Mullah Mansoor. The US opted to pursue tactical objectives over strategic ones and Afghanistan became the hot mess that it is now. Furthermore, Pakistan lost its ability to convince the Taliban to agree to talks.
Their best bet now is to listen to need of the times and step back to allow the Quadrilateral Process to try and find a peaceful solution to the problem. The US has tried plenty of troop surges, the US can never win this war because they can never fight this war as locals.

bad analogy ...
Laos is tiny compared to Vietnam.
Pakistan is not tiny compared to Afghanistan
 
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America is a barking freak. Look how intense it barked at North Korea. North Korea retorted and America was shut up.

Use wisdom to deal with the losers. Pakistan is a tiger of South Asia, you can't mess with it.
 
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These type of reports are just western media flattery and greatly satisfying for indians. In reality US no longer has significant leverage over Pakistan BUT Pakistan does (although Pakistan did not use it as such). US policy utterly failed in Afghanistan and verge of loosing it all. So as a sore looser US will huff and puff to distract and indians are willing to offer its state operated terror apparatus to keep US hold its loosing position. And for geographically handicapped india, if US leaves Afghanistan, its the end of the road for any direct engagement in Eurasian dream.

On the ground, Talibans are increasingly gaining territories and there is decapitating infighting within US installed regime in Kabul. All major power brokers in the region; Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia and dominant power on ground Talibans, are against US presence. For US its time to calculate if it is possible to hang on to its last remaining position in Afghanistan? Antagonizing Pakistan will surely cost US more than it lost already BUT india (Modi) is advising Trump otherwise.
 
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Pakistan is the US' exit strategy from Afghanistan and ironically it can be used both ways.

1. The US can blame the matter on Pakistan. Slap some sanctions, attack some border positions, declare victory and move out, leaving Afghanistan to burn as it always has. Basically make Pakistan the Laos to their new Vietnam, Afghanistan.

2. Alternatively, they can stop trying to fight an unconventional war through conventional means and listen to Pakistan when it says that the Kabul Govt and the Taliban should be allowed to sit on the negotiating table as equals. After a decade and a half, they've already co-opted the Butcher of Kabul, its a consolation prize considering Pakistan was offering them the chance to bring the Afghan Taliban to the table under Mullah Mansoor. The US opted to pursue tactical objectives over strategic ones and Afghanistan became the hot mess that it is now. Furthermore, Pakistan lost its ability to convince the Taliban to agree to talks.
Their best bet now is to listen to need of the times and step back to allow the Quadrilateral Process to try and find a peaceful solution to the problem. The US has tried plenty of troop surges, the US can never win this war because they can never fight this war as locals.

Looks like they will be going for option 3. Bring our arch rival India into the mess. And this could be covert rather than overt. It was treason allowing those flights between Afghanistan and India. How do we make sure they won't transport troops? Indian troops could don ISAF uniforms and use their equipment so from a distance it might not be obvious who is fighting.

The self respecting thing to do is to isolate Afghanistan by closing down both the border and disallowing flights. If they need to import anything, they should open a tender with us and we will transport after proper inspection. But our ineffective, traitorous rulers would rather celebrate Eid in London. If ever there was a definition of imperial colony, this is it.
 
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These type of reports are just western media flattery and greatly satisfying for indians. In reality US no longer has significant leverage over Pakistan BUT Pakistan does (although Pakistan did not use it as such). US policy utterly failed in Afghanistan and verge of loosing it all. So as a sore looser US will huff and puff to distract and indians are willing to offer its state operated terror apparatus to keep US hold its loosing position. And for geographically handicapped india, if US leaves Afghanistan, its the end of the road for any direct engagement in Eurasian dream.

On the ground, Talibans are increasingly gaining territories and there is decapitating infighting within US installed regime in Kabul. All major power brokers in the region; Pakistan, Iran, China, Russia and dominant power on ground Talibans, are against US presence. For US its time to calculate if it is possible to hang on to its last remaining position in Afghanistan? Antagonizing Pakistan will surely cost US more than it lost already BUT india (Modi) is advising Trump otherwise.
A few bad incidents in Afghanistan in this year and its all doom and gloom for US in Afghanistan?

Here are some facts:

1. US ended its 'combat operations' in Afghanistan in 2014 and switched to 'advisory role' after.

2. Taliban took advantage of American drawdown in 2014 and commenced its so-called 'spring offensive' against Afghan regime in 2015 but it failed spectacularly.

3. US assassinated the successor of Mullah Omar in 2016 - a strategic move that splintered Taliban.

4. ISIS emerged in Afghanistan in 2015 and have been siphoning men and material from Taliban ever since.

5. Current 'spring offensive' of Taliban is ill-advised as it has overstretched itself and does not understands its rammifications.

Let Taliban rejoice in its short-term gains until US takes a decision and hammer much of it to oblivion. They literally forgot that they are dealing with Trump administration this time. They don't understand that Trump has empowered US military in the matters of Afghanistan - something Obama administration never did.
 
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A few bad incidents and its all doom and gloom for US in Afghanistan?

Here are some facts:

1. US ended its operations in Afghanistan in 2014.

2. Taliban took advantage of American drawdown in 2014 and commenced its so-called 'spring offensive' against Afghan regime in 2015 but it failed spectacularly.

3. US assassinated successor of Mullah Omar in 2016 - a strategic move that splintered Taliban.

4. ISIS emerged in Afghanistan in 2015 and have been siphoning men and material from Taliban ever since.

5. Current Spring Offensive of Taliban is ill-advised as it had overstretched itself and does not understands rammifications.

Let Taliban rejoice in its short-term gains until US takes a decision and hammer it to oblivion. They literally forgot that they are dealing with Trump administration this time.

America is eliminating Taliban and replacing it with their sponsored terrorist: ISIS

No taliban was involved in 9/11 or since
 
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America is eliminating Taliban and replacing it with their sponsored terrorist: ISIS

No taliban was involved in 9/11 or since
That is my greatest fear.

What some of my naive Pakistani brothers don't understsnd is that US is the ultimate player in the regime.

All that talk of doom and gloom is a feel-good excercise for the naive and idiot.

I literally laugh at the comments that Taliban is gaining ground in Afghanistan. They are being "allowed" to until US decides their fate.

China and Russia won't achieve a dime in Afghanistan and would rather worsen the situation in this country for themselves and others in the region. I am sure that Russia is wiser than it was in 1980s.

There is no Vietnam for US in Afghanistan - they learned a great deal from that conflict and have mastered the art of warfare. All they need is to stage a false flag attack to influence public opinion and proceed with regional hammering. No better time when CPEC is in the picture.

I am really worried. This is like a calm before the storm. People have forgotten how bad security situation was in Pakistan during the period 2007 - 2014.

That is why I believe that instead of treating US as the foe - which India wants us to - we need to reach out to Trump administration on this matter for our own good.

Look at the timing of Trump - Modi meeting. I am not into conspiracy theories but we need to stop underestimating other players and start thinking smartly (or) brace for upcoming storm.
 
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It is always fun to watch and read Pakistanis trying sound all professional and knowledgeable about global politics and Pakistan is uniquely and strategically positioned to change the course of events by manipulating India, China, Russia, the USA et al. Fact is, however well articulated and how strategic a language they find to say it, at the base of it all, there is no credibility. And the only way to stem even further loss of credibility is to stop all the posing, eschew jihadi terrorism and start acting as a responsible nation. All this 'we are tigers' nonsense is just making Pakistan just a chicken coup where chicken come to roost

You should not be talking about credibility at all as an Indian. Because No nation is as dishonest as Indians are and I am only judging from the statements of Indian media and their politicians.
 
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