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Trump plans to send lieutenants to Pakistan with tough message
By AFP
Published: October 7, 2017
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Islamabad seeks new rules of engagement with US; to follow strict protocols in bilateral visits.

WASHINGTON: US President Donald Trump will dispatch his top diplomatic and military advisers to Pakistan in the coming weeks, turning up the heat on a nuclear-armed ally accused of harbouring terror groups.

Weeks after Trump angrily accused Islamabad of providing safe haven to “agents of chaos,” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson plans to depart for Pakistan late this month. He will be followed by Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis, according to US and Pakistani sources. The one-two punch is designed to drill home Trump’s message that the alleged Pakistani state support for militant groups has to end, according to officials briefed on the visits.

Washington has long been frustrated by Pakistan’s alleged willingness to offer cross-border safe havens to Taliban factions and armed militant groups fighting US troops and their Afghan allies. The relationship reached the breaking point in 2011, when president Barack Obama sent commandos into Pakistan in 2011 to kill al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, who was living in a military garrison town. With little change since then, Trump came to office indicating that Washington’s frustration had reached the point where something had to give.

“We have been paying Pakistan billions and billions of dollars at the same time they are housing the very terrorists that we are fighting,” he said in an August address. But in the six weeks since Trump signaled that tougher tone, there have been precious few signs that the calculus in South Asia has changed. Mattis told Congress this week that he will try “one more time” to “see if we can make this work.”

“To this point, we have not seen any impact on military-to-military relations,” said one Pentagon official, suggesting any change would not happen after Mattis’s visit. Visiting Washington, Pakistan’s foreign minister Khawaja Asif appeared unwavering. He lashed out at “hollow allegations” about Pakistan harbouring terrorists as “not acceptable.”

“That is not the way you talk to 70-year-old friends,” Asif said bitterly. “Instead of accusations and threats we should cooperate with each other for the peace in the region,” he added in confirming Tillerson’s visit. While professing anger in public, Pakistani officials in private complain about receiving no concrete requests to target the Haqqani network or other groups. US officials have been reticent to share some intelligence for fear of tipping off targets with links inside Pakistan’s government.

Earlier this month, a US drone killed three suspected militants in an attack on a compound in Pakistan’s tribal region. Pakistani officials also complain of receiving mixed messages from the Trump administration, which is still struggling to find its feet under a mercurial commander-in-chief. A September meeting in New York between Vice President Mike Pence and Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi was said to be cordial, despite Trump’s fire and brimstone rhetoric.

Trump to ‘cut all military aid to Pakistan’, thinks Washington is being ‘ripped off’ by Islamabad: report

“It was a very good meeting with the vice president,” said Asif.
After that, Pakistan officials said, they were surprised at a tougher tone outlined in public by Mattis and in private by Trump’s National Security Advisor HR McMaster. Some optimists point to a visit by Pakistan’s army chief to Kabul as evidence that Islamabad is moderating, after years of support propping up the Taliban. But many, having watched this debate for decades, are less convinced. The Taliban and groups like Lashkar-e-Taiba, they argue, remain a potent tool in the hands of Pakistani intelligence.

“Of course they don’t get the message” said Christine Fair, a South Asia expert at Georgetown University. “Pakistan is not going to do anything different than its already doing unless the administration can figure out a way to do what no administration has previously done. That is basically to call Pakistan’s bluff and impose some meaningful punishment.” Trump has warned that military aid – which was halved between 2012 and 2016 – could be cut further, a move that Fair dismisses as insufficient.

“It’s basically saying that we’re going to cut back the money the US taxpayer is giving to Pakistan,” she said. “That’s not punishment. Pakistan is not entitled to our money. What they are really talking about is giving Pakistan less of an allowance.” Policymakers have considered revoking Pakistan’s non-NATO ally status, with deep symbolic but limited practical impact. Punitive economic sanctions – that could force Pakistan closer to China, Russia or Turkey – seem a long way off.And Pakistan remains vital for the United States as a route to resupply its forces in Afghanistan and for supplying the Afghan army.


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We are listening this "Tough message" BS since many many years.... go-ahead we have other options..not China or Russia but if you bully us... we will kick your baby India... simple mathematics..

you strike us, we strike India
you bully us, we did the same with india
you send fighterjets to violate border, we send our to violate India's airspace
you send troops to hot western borders, we will do the same with eastern border

@ the end you start direct confontration with us, we will going to involve INDIA in this and use China to sandwich India on the other end "Jo pathna hey phatlo asi ke tesi tumhare".

All these pressure tactics have no values Mr Trump you and your dummy administration especially your war machines who never won a single war in history since Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and diplomatic pressure failure in front of Iran & North Korea and here you're trying to bully a state whom you know better than anyone else ;)
 
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Trump administration is thinking that Pak has some magic wands to solve the Afgan problem!!! They are conveniently forgetting that Taliban folks have a tremendous ego and it's embedded in their DNA!!! The worldly will never understand that these folks have nothing to lose in this world and it includes their lives!! And, they are not out of options!!!! And, they won't think twice to dump Pak to pursue their goals. And, if somehow Kremlin's and Taliban's objectives get aligned - according to the US media it's fast moving to that direction - all hell will break in Afganistan...
 
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i think khwaja Asif has requested u.s for help against army.they are coming for pressuring army to suppoort govt for nro
 
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Pakistan has not had to deal with a strongman US president when their goals are opposed. With Reagan their objectives in Afghanistan were perfectly aligned, not anymore.

Trump walks with a big stick and doesn't talk softly either. Under Trump, the US can make life very difficult for Pakistan.
 
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Cut military aid??? Dude they have been stopping third party sales like Jordanians f 16s even.... they can take ally status and shove it in
 
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We are listening this "Tough message" BS since many many years.... go-ahead we have other options..not China or Russia but if you bully us... we will kick your baby India... simple mathematics..

you strike us, we strike India
you bully us, we did the same with india
you send fighterjets to violate border, we send our to violate India's airspace
you send troops to hot western borders, we will do the same with eastern border

@ the end you start direct confontration with us, we will going to involve INDIA in this and use China to sandwich India on the other end "Jo pathna hey phatlo asi ke tesi tumhare".

All these pressure tactics have no values Mr Trump you and your dummy administration especially your war machines who never won a single war in history since Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and diplomatic pressure failure in front of Iran & North Korea and here you're trying to bully a state whom you know better than anyone else ;)

1) So you dare to kick a country much bigger and with more resources you can imagine with ? hain ?
How you kick ? Like 65,71,84 or kargil ?

2) In kargil war, china suggested you to withdraw from kargil when mushy begged them for intervention. No body is going to kill its troops for some nation.
3) How many victories you have gained till now if U.S cud not gain till now ?
 
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1) So you dare to kick a country much bigger and with more resources you can imagine with ? hain ?
How you kick ? Like 65,71,84 or kargil ?

2) In kargil war, china suggested you to withdraw from kargil when mushy begged them for intervention. No body is going to kill its troops for some nation.
3) How many victories you have gained till now if U.S cud not gain till now ?

1, 1965 (lol)
2, In Kargil, we've kicked your ***'s later your tatoo NS and Vajpaye went to aba jaan aka America for the ceasefire according to your own General Bakshi & Gen. Kishin who was leading the Kargil Op, Pakistan literally hold our neck @ Kargil.

pehlay apnoon ko pharlya karo fir arguments kartay achay b lagogay lol

By the way I knw you will come to defend your aba United States, every Indian doing the same everywhere now adays. About how much you're bigger than us, that's the question for you not for us. How about a smaller country literaly kickd your *** especially in past 10-15 years. You're completely bound/limited into proxy, unable to go for direct confontration. The desperation level and obession is now start bleeding at your end.

1, Your entire military specturm failed and later backoff after 6 months standoff in 2001 (After the Parliament Attack drama).
2, From Uri, Pathan-Kot Airbase attacks to Jammu & Kashmir, you're compeltely failed to country freedom movement.
3, Your Intelligence web got busted in various opeartions (another and one of core factor of your desperation).
5, Your entire military directorate still unable to tell the world or even to your people how you conducted so called SIR G KAL phus phus. Zero technical details or even overview regarding the hanuman operation "A pussy ghost force who always make chu**** to janta- Indians" according to Mr Hanuman spokesman Parikar.
6, Your entire military and govt failed to counter Pakistan since last many years especially after the N-test. Deterance level further push you to bracket in diplomatic posturing rather direct military to military conflict.
7, After 15 years of support, projection play and pressure tactics on Pakistan by the United States for you, still a smaller country not accepting your hegemony.

SUPA POWA busted lol war gaya ** larger nation..
 
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Pakistan has not had to deal with a strongman US president when their goals are opposed. With Reagan their objectives in Afghanistan were perfectly aligned, not anymore.

Trump walks with a big stick and doesn't talk softly either. Under Trump, the US can make life very difficult for Pakistan.
so on top of the stick we have indian asses! damn thats more scary than the stick holder!

tum indianun keh naye 2 idol ban gaye hain 1 Modi aur 2nd trump! ab tum un keh bhajan gaatay raho gay! chalo good whatever makes 1 billion idiots happy!
 
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1, 1965 (lol)
2, In Kargil, we've kicked your ***'s later your tatoo NS and Vajpaye went to aba jaan aka America for the ceasefire according to your own General Bakshi & Gen. Kishin who was leading the Kargil Op, Pakistan literally hold our neck @ Kargil.

pehlay apnoon ko pharlya karo fir arguments kartay achay b lagogay lol

By the way I knw you will come to defend your aba United States (Every Indian doing the same everywhere lol). About how much you're bigger than us, that's the question for you not for us, how a smaller country literaly kickd your *** especially in past 10-15 years, you're completely bound into proxy not able to go for direct confontration. The desperation level and obession is now starts bleeding @ your end.

1, Your entire military specturm failed and later backoff after 6 months standoff after the Parliament Attack drama.
2, From Uri, Airbase attacks to Jammu & Kashmir, you're compeltely failed to country freedom movement.
3, Your Intelligence puppets got busted in various opeartions (another factor of your desperation).
2, Your entire military directorate still unable to tell the world or even to your own people how you conducted so called SIR G KAL phus phus. Zero technical details or even overview regarding the hanuman operation.
3, Your entire military and govt failed to counter Pakistan since last many years especially after the N-test.
4, After 15 years of support, projection play and pressure tactics on Pakistan by the United States for you, still a smaller country not accepting your hegemony.

SUPA POWA busted lol war gaya ** larger nation..

1) 65 ? What lol ? You dint start the war ? and you ended with defending your own skin ? and you celebrate it as defence day ? why not victory day since you started the war ?

anyway, your own defence minister..


2) What you achieved in kargil other than getting your more than 3000 soldiers killed ? you occupied vacated post by india and kept them occupied even after winters and you call it strategic victory ? Who elected nawaz ? india ? Dint nawaz's own party was raised by your brave army ? and you call it our tattooo ?

3) Gen bakshi dint mention about kargil war. He mentioned about some incident in 1991.

Btw, This is wat happened to your NLI when IAF bombed the hell out of them ..

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4) A country who has been receiving military aid from U.S is pakistan, a country who fought wars of U.S is pakistan, A country who has been major non nato ally of U.S is pakistan and you call U.S india's abba ?

apni history nahi pta ?

5) Who is financing kashmiri militants in india ? pakistan ? Then you must not get worried about our support to yours militant groups.

6) You have more than enough enemies inside who are willing to destroy you, why shud india do it ? Since you already call your politicians are indian tattoo..what more you can expect from india then ?
 
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Trump is going to keep the heat up. Pakistan will have to give up on it's little games on western border or else they will have to pay a heavy price with sanctions, drone attacks and even surgical strikes. Unfortunately US has no benefit to force Pakistan to stop support on terror on the Eastern border as well.
 
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FM Asif words at USIP,

" Haqqani issue is not the main Problem for peace in Afghanistan, it is merely a issue, the main problem for peace in Afghanistan is the Corruption, Opium harvesting, incompetent Afghan Army, Selling of weapon by ANA to Taliban and that is why Taliban holds almost 40% of Afghanistan.
Picking up Haqqani issue is just to cover up their failure in Afghanistan like they did in Vietnam War by Blaming Laos and Cambodia
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