True and Most Beautiful Message Of Islam

[Vikki]

Listen.

Our Prophet SAW was as close to perfect a specimen of human being as one can ever be.

Hinduism can't be compared honestly with Islam. You can't compare superstition with a complete way of life.


Realistic yes. Flexible no. Perfect for all time.

Hmm..that's your opinion..anyway I don't want to make it a religious discussion..Hinduism has some high qualoty philosophy in Upanishads and Greta..The beauty of Hinduism is I am not labelled an infidel or a kafir or a hell dweller simply because I reject god..As a Hindu I can reject all puranas,Vedas and all other cock and bull stories and can still call myself a Hindu.. Can you be in the fold of Islam by dismissing Quranic stories as fairy tales?can you be called a Muslim by rejecting Mohammad? Anyway, let's leave it at this

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Hmm..that's your opinion..anyway I don't want to make it a religious discussion..Hinduism has some high qualoty philosophy in Upanishads and Greta..The beauty of Hinduism is I am not labelled an infidel or a kafir or a hell dweller simply because I reject god..As a Hindu I can reject all puranas,Vedas and all other cock and bull stories and can still call myself a Hindu.. Can you be in the fold of Islam by dismissing Quranic stories as fairy tales?can you be called a Muslim by rejecting Mohammad? Anyway, let's leave it at this

Why would any sane Muslim reject Islam and still call himself Muslim?

The very fact that you can call yourself a Hindu inspite of rejecting it shows that it is not a religion but an amalgamation of superstition and local practices. I will request you to learn more about Islam. Read the Qu'ran. Ask questions at islamqa. If you come with an open mind and wish to reform yourself , you will revert.

 

[Vikki]

Why would any sane Muslim reject Islam and still call himself Muslim?

The very fact that you can call yourself a Hindu inspite of rejecting it shows that it is not a religion but an amalgamation of superstition and local practices. I will request you to learn more about Islam. Read the Qu'ran. Ask questions at islamqa. If you come with an open mind and wish to reform yourself , you will revert.

Yes,hindu is amalgamation of different belief systems and people of those belief systems coexist peacefully without abusing each other ..without fighting who will go to hell and who goes to heaven.islam served its purpose for medieval ages..its outdated for the present generation unless there are drastic reforms.
By the way ,I read quran with tafseer..not just quran ,many other books on islam..just today I read another book called no god but god by a guy called reza aslan..and what a coincidence. .his views to a large extent match with mine ..he is an apologist of islam

 

[AfrazulMandal]

its outdated for the present generation unless there are drastic reforms

No thank you.
It's perfect for all time.

 

[jamahir]

At the outset I would like to make it clear that I don’t believe Mohammad was a prophet..I believe he was a kind human who got disturbed with the events around him in his barbaric society and set out on a mission to change it…He used religion as a tool to bring about that change..he might have lied that he was receiving messages from God but he definitely had the divine blessings in his mission…of course,there are a few things which I don’t like about Mohammad which I am not going to talk about as I will be banned if I do so.

The most beautiful thing about Islam is it has least number of rituals when compared to other religions..take wedding as an example..you just ask both the bride and bridegroom if both of them accept each other and once they say ‘yes’,it’s over. Of course the present day Christianity also doesn’t have many rituals but it’s not the same at the time when Islam started.

2) Islam just eliminates many superstitions by saying no power (good or bad) in this universe is more powerful than God…That one notion keeps many superstitions away…Hindus even to this day are immersed in uncountable number of superstitions and here we have a man some 1500 years ago who was born in a desert which is completely filled with superstitions who brought change in the thoughts and backward thinking of not just those desert dwellers but crores of people across the world.

Of course present day Muslims are not devoid of superstitions..thanks to hadees.

3) Of all the religions ,Islam is the most flexible and most realistic…it doesn’t ask you to stay unmarried to get closer to God or doesn’t ask you perform difficult rituals like starving yourself or going to Himalayas or cutting relations with everyone (mentally) to attain spiritual enlightenment.

4) Mohammed didn’t assign any special qualities or status to himself which he could have easily done..He simply said he was just a human who was delivering the message of god..very few in his place would have resisted the temptation to raise himself to the level of god( of course hadees which were written 250 years after his death fabricated his lifestory and attributed so many things like miracles and a few sayings to him like Calling Mohammad the best of all the prophets which is entirely against the statement of Quran)

5)Islam is the only religion where prayers are simple..a rich stands beside a poor in prayers…I worked in a collector office..there was a deputy collector who was muslim…he would go to the masjid which is right in front of the office every Friday and would do namaz and come back..he got no special treatment there…he may sometimes stand beside a beggar…behind a coolie..but it doesn’t make a difference before God..Really wonderful.

If he was a Hindu or a Christian ,he would get special pooja in temples by making all the devotees stand in the queues for hours..special darshans etc etc.

6) Cleaning of genitals with water everytime you urinate(this practice might have got to do with lack of water in deserts where you can’t have baths everyday..in any case it’s a good practice)


7) Setting some money aside for the poor..distributing meat to the poor during bakrid(but I don’t like the concept of not distributing meat to non muslims..I am sure Mohammad wouldn’t have recommended such a practice..again invention of hadees)

8) Hajj..Where on Earth could you see people from across the world irrespective of their race,wealth or class gather at one place and pray to that one God?That itself is a beautiful spectacle.

9) Quran gives rights of education and property to women..of course thanks hadees again..Women are told they are major hell dwellers and less intelligent.

10) Many of the things mentioned above were much ahead of their time…case in point the equality of humans ..

And the most miraculous thing is this was all done by a tribe in remote insignificant deserts of our planet.


I have many complaints on Islam and Mohammad too but I am not going to post them here as it may bring me a ban.

But the major drawback of Islam is it isn’t compatible with atheists…it isn’t even compatible with people who just say ‘La ilaha ilallah’..one is also required to say Mohammed ur rasoolullah..hinduism thrives even after thousands of years because it suits everyone…an atheist,a monotheist,an agnostic..you can be everything and can still be a hindu..Christianity is on the death bed in Europe because there is no scope for free thinking in it..you have to believe in jesus as god..no second thoughts…Islam may face the same threat if it doesn’t allow that space for free thinking….I strongly believe Islam can be reformed if it rids itself of all the hadees and follow Quran alone..It is possible to follow Quran even without hadees..Did you ever observe that every person who criticizes islam quotes only hadees ..You will hardly find anyone using quran to blame islam(except for the verses which ask mushriks to be killed..and those verses are taken out of context)..the only verses which I find hurtful in the quran are these : O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust.(quran 5.51)

You deserve a positive rating for your detailed and generally unbiased fine post. @Dubious, @Indus Pakistan and @Moonlight , I request you to do this.

I have a Quran in English gifted to me by a friend and I have not read it. It seems that it is the Hadees works that contain the method of prayer ( one of the few rituals allowed in Islam as mentioned by you ). As far as I know the Quran itself doesn't define the method of prayer. Less ritualism, as you have pointed out.

I posted in another thread recently that in Islam there is no priest system - no agent between Man and God. Thus it is stressed that every Muslim must read the Quran ( This is similar to how the Chinese are exhorted to read Mao's Red Book or the Libyans were exhorted to read the Green Book ). This however has been defeated from time to time, especially in the recent decades, with the mullahs gaining influence.

I am left-leaning and I point to you that especially in many Muslim-majority societies, modern socialism made relatively easy gains than in societies where other religions had/have majority. It is because Islam is an older form of socialism.

I don't pray, and even so I identify myself as a Muslim.

Islam is less a movement about Godly worship ( even about the One God ) and more about practical rules governing socio-political-economic events. You yourself made mention of few. The part about "There is no God but the One God and Muhammad is His Messenger" is all about saying "Okay, you have recognized God, now get going about your life".

Lastly, Islam's future is for it to meld with a socialist/communist social order. Islam may have been perfect for its time but certain things like allowing of private land ownership is a bit less scientific than the modern socialist/communist idea of collectivist farms and ownership of land by the system on behalf of the citizens.

@Zibago @django @Mentee @RealNapster @BDforever @Bilal9 @Indos

 

[Indos]

You deserve a positive rating for your detailed and generally unbiased fine post. @Dubious, @Indus Pakistan and @Moonlight , I request you to do this.

I have a Quran in English gifted to me by a friend and I have not read it. It seems that it is the Hadees works that contain the method of prayer ( one of the few rituals allowed in Islam as mentioned by you ). As far as I know the Quran itself doesn't define the method of prayer. Less ritualism, as you have pointed out.

I posted in another thread recently that in Islam there is no priest system - no agent between Man and God. Thus it is stressed that every Muslim must read the Quran ( This is similar to how the Chinese are exhorted to read Mao's Red Book or the Libyans were exhorted to read the Green Book ). This however has been defeated from time to time, especially in the recent decades, with the mullahs gaining influence.

I am left-leaning and I point to you that especially in many Muslim-majority societies, modern socialism made relatively easy gains than in societies where other religions had/have majority. It is because Islam is an older form of socialism.

I don't pray, and even so I identify myself as a Muslim.

Islam is less a movement about Godly worship ( even about the One God ) and more about practical rules governing socio-political-economic events. You yourself made mention of few. The part about "There is no God but the One God and Muhammad is His Messenger" is all about saying "Okay, you have recognized God, now get going about your life".

Lastly, Islam's future is for it to meld with a socialist/communist social order. Islam may have been perfect for its time but certain things like allowing of private land ownership is a bit less scientific than the modern socialist/communist idea of collectivist farms and ownership of land by the system on behalf of the citizens.

@Zibago @django @Mentee @RealNapster @BDforever @Bilal9 @Indos

Man, you need to pray at least 5 times daily. I think praying 5 times daily is not that difficult. You are a good guy bro, I want you to pray to ALLAH so that you will have a special relationship with God and go to heaven

Talking about Islam in economic term it is always finding a way between Capitalism and Socialism. We have all witnessed about the fall of Communism bro, even China and Vietnam forget their communism agenda and become 100 % capitalist. There is pragmatism in capitalism and idealism in Socialism and Islam covers both.

In Indonesia the economic principle is capitalist but there is also socialism with state owned enterprises, subsidy, and health care. I think Scandinavian countries can be a role model for this as they tax the haves and subsidize the poor.

 

[Zibago]

Man, you need to pray at least 5 times daily. I think praying 5 times daily is not that difficult. You are a good guy bro, I want you to pray to ALLAH so that you will have a special relationship with God and go to heaven

Talking about Islam in economic term it is always finding a way between Capitalism and Socialism. We have all witnessed about the fall of Communism bro, even China and Vietnam forget their communism agenda and become 100 % capitalist. There is pragmatism in capitalism and idealism in Socialism and Islam covers both.

In Indonesia the economic principle is capitalist but there is also socialism with state owned enterprises, subsidy, and health care. I think Scandinavian countries can be a role model for this as they tax the haves and subsidize the poor.

Its easy if you get used to it otherwise waking up at dawn aint that easy

 

[Indos]

Its easy if you get used to it otherwise waking up at dawn aint that easy

I dont know man, but I just wake up before Subuh/Fajr (dawn) every night without even using clock alarm. AlhamdulliLLAH my dream is always stop and I wake up instantly just before dawn. I think many Muslim experience this as well. It is a blessing from ALLAH.

Shubuh/Fajr prayer is not easy but at least we do as much as we can. I think @jamahir can start 3 prayer first (like Dhuhur, Ashar, and Isha) for about a year and then the second year he can add 2 more prayer.

 

[jamahir]

I dont know man, but I just wake up before Subuh/Fajr (dawn) every night without even using clock alarm. AlhamdulliLLAH my dream is always stop and I wake up instantly just before dawn. I think many Muslim experience this as well. It is a blessing from ALLAH.

Shubuh/Fajr prayer is not easy but at least we do as much as we can. I think @jamahir can start 3 prayer first (like Dhuhur, Ashar, and Isha) for about a year and then the second year he can add 2 more prayer.

Indos, think of me as your extremely lazy brother.

@Zibago

@Jf Thunder , I hadn't tagged you for this post of mine.

 

[Indos]

Indos, think of me as your extremely lazy brother.

@Zibago

@Jf Thunder , I hadn't tagged you for this post of mine.

Bro, I hope you dont have any doubt on Islam. If you do, let me know which one that you doubt so I can help you to clear the doubt out.

Talking about reading Quran, I think it is so easy now to read Quran, just search on youtube and play it before going to sleep.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Indos, think of me as your extremely lazy brother.

@Zibago

@Jf Thunder , I hadn't tagged you for this post of mine.

although the post was "ok", I cannot give a positive rating because he is reluctant to accept Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H) as a Prophet, but he has a right to his views.
But he is correct int he fact, that Islam encourages direct contact with Allah, instead of using "priests"
but sadly, Mullahs have taken over, and I have no idea what can be done about them