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Trudeau demands justice over Iran's downing of Ukraine plane

Reagen actually did apologise (while not using the word apologise) on the incident in two separate letter, one open, one private to the Iranian counter part.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...-the-united-states-navy-over-the-persian-gulf (The open letter/statement)

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-07-06-mn-5341-story.html (Mentioned he send a private letter and think he apologised enough for the incident)

While nobody knows what the private notes said, it is probably a diplomatic letter as take responsibility for the action. The open letter though, was the standard "Regret loss of life" letter, which could mean something or mean nothing.

And finally, in term of civil law, US paid the compensation is in itself an admission of guilt. If you are not a guilty part, you will not pay the compensation.

As for defending itself, no country would directly take "Hey, what we did was wrong" approach, of almost all of the accidental shoot down incident. Nobody would ever admit they should not have done so, but will say things like "regret", "unfortunate" and sometime even without warrant an response.

In 1954 PLA fighters shot down a Cathay Pacific DC-4, in it's "Apology" it mentioned only "accidental and unfortunate incident", the pilot were promoted, mostly because of the limited air war that follow the rescue operation.

In 1955, Bulgaria fighters shot down an Israeli flight El Al 402, the Bulguria blame El Al 402 for intruding its airspace (Which was disputed) but in its "Apology" the Bulgarian claim their fighter pilot made a hasty decision. The pilots were considered jail term and demotion, none were made.

In 1978, Soviet Union fighters shot down Korean Flight 902 intruding into SU airspace due to navigation error. 10 of the passenger and crew was killed. SU did not issue an apology to the incident, rather, they send KAL a $100,000 bill for the fighter interception and shipping of the remain of KAL flight and body back to Korea.

In 1980, an Italian Itavia Flight 870 DC-9 was shot down, presumably by French via missile (At least this is what Italy court rules, the missile part, not the French part), no apology was record from anyone, no blame as to recorded for anyone. Italy court order Italy Military to compensate partly to the incident in 2013 (Yes, 33 years later) and currently there are no responsibility being assign to this incident.

In 1983, the famous (or rather infamous) KAL 007 incident. SU did not offer an apology nor offer any compensation (It was compensated by US via a court case in the end), SU still maintain KAL007 is a Spy Plane (RC-135) and was right to shoot them down, and blame CIA for the incident, even tho fighter send to intercept clearly see it is an civilian airline.
Your moniker is well chosen I see...
I guess just like bruce lee in enter the dragon reagan was also practicing the art of doing something without really doing it,in this case the art of apologizing without actually apologizing......while also continuing to insist that the shootdown was in self defence naturally
The compensation was paid ex gratia ie the giver does not admit any liability or legal obligation
Still you do raise some very good points for which I thank you.I guess then that iran doesnt need to apologise or to accept responsibility or even offer compensation,in that case maybe we`ll even get to see the tor operators get some medals.....or bonuses,or both.....or not.
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I do have to wonder tho,which newsweek cover will more accurately portray the media narrative on the flight 752 shoot down?:undecided:
 
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Your moniker is well chosen I see...
I guess just like bruce lee in enter the dragon reagan was also practicing the art of doing something without really doing it,in this case the art of apologizing without actually apologizing......while also continuing to insist that the shootdown was in self defence naturally
The compensation was paid ex gratia ie the giver does not admit any liability or legal obligation
Still you do raise some very good points for which I thank you.I guess then that iran doesnt need to apologise or to accept responsibility or even offer compensation,in that case maybe we`ll even get to see the tor operators get some medals.....or bonuses,or both.....or not.
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I do have to wonder tho,which newsweek cover will more accurately portray the media narrative on the flight 752 shoot down?:undecided:

Well, ex-gratia payment is as good as admitting guilt. As I say, not just government, corporate don't generally outright and admit their guilt, usually what they do is that they will settle, money without admitting guilt, but we all know, downright that if they do pay money, that is the closest thing they can to admit that was their fault. The same happened across the board, I mean if you ask the pilot who shot down KAL007, today, he will still tell you it was a RC-135 and not a Korean Air Boeing 747. Even if he was right next to it.

As for newsweek report. Well, there are only one way any media publication can cover, if they do more than one, they will be accused of being pleasing and not independent. And also bear in mind Flight 655 happened during the height of cold war, and the lowest of US-Iran relation. Would it have a fair share on its reporting? Back in the 80s, I would say hell no. Today? I don't know.

The fact to the matter is this, whether or not US shot down IA655 or whether or not Russia shot down KAL007 is a separate issue, you cannot say "hey, they do that so we do this" I mean unless you think shooting down a civilian airliner (with your own people no less) is a norm, heads will need to roll and people need to punish, just because someone didn't do this or that did not give you the right to do the same thing they do, be it your enemy or friend. Otherwise there will be no justice for the 163 people who were killed in this. But as usual, I would say the expecting justice for this incident wouldn't be much to begin with. Probably, sad to say, live is cheap over there?
 
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I, for one, believe the Iranian explanation that one of their air-defense officers had only seconds to decide whether the incoming object was a cruise missile, or an innocent object not to be attacked.
Then they're stupid. You wouldn't see a Cruise missile moving at 100 or 200 knots it travels well above speed of a plane. The very purpose of cruise missile is to avoid detection and RCS of a cruise missile is extremely low. In comparison a 737 has huge RCS.

Probably they thought it was a hostile aircraft. Even then this is an extremely stupid mistake. The officer should be put on trial, and the blame completely rests with the officer who took that decision.
 
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Then they're stupid. You wouldn't see a Cruise missile moving at 100 or 200 knots it travels well above speed of a plane. The very purpose of cruise missile is to avoid detection and RCS of a cruise missile is extremely low. In comparison a 737 has huge RCS.

Probably they thought it was a hostile aircraft. Even then this is an extremely stupid mistake. The officer should be put on trial, and the blame completely rests with the officer who took that decision.
Well said. :tup:
 
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Also provide justice of iranian flight which was shot down by US.
That has nothing to do with Canada.

Iran admitted to it, so the appropriate thing to do would be to at least compensate the victims.
 
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'Those Canadians would be with their families now': Justin Trudeau takes extraordinary swipe at Donald Trump as he blames Iran shooting down jet on US raising tensions
  • Trudeau blamed US killing of general Qassem Soleimani for raising tensions
  • He said international community had to 'manage tensions brought about by US'
  • Iran has admitted its Revolutionary Guards shot down the jet, killing 176 people
  • Today Tehran said it had made several arrests as Hassan Rouhani vowed justice
  • Dozens of Iranians were on board the Ukraine International Airlines flight
By TIM STICKINGS FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 03:06 EST, 14 January 2020 | UPDATED: 10:52 EST, 14 January 2020

Justin Trudeau has today blamed the US 'escalation' in the Middle East for the Iranian shoot-down of a passenger jet in an extraordinary swipe at Donald Trump.

Echoing what Iranian officials have said, Trudeau said the dozens of Canadian crash victims would be 'home with their families' but for the tensions started by the US killing of Qassem Soleimani.

The Canadian PM said the international community had to 'manage the tensions in the region that are brought about by US actions'.
 
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Without doubt, Iran is a terrorist state, and have public support only in Pakistan.
This puppy network of Iran, would serve Iran in various ways. e.g. silencing all opposition by hook or crook, launder all the Riyals to Iran and UK, give justifications of open and blatant terrorism of Iran or not condemning it, rather suggesting Pakistan should violate US sanctions, etc. etc.

Obviously such people can be find abundance on pdf.

So guys... carry on with your justifications for Iranian denial of shooting down a passenger plane, until your god fathers were humiliated by Justin Trudeau.

Shame on you axis of evil.
 
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'Those Canadians would be with their families now': Justin Trudeau takes extraordinary swipe at Donald Trump as he blames Iran shooting down jet on US raising tensions
  • Trudeau blamed US killing of general Qassem Soleimani for raising tensions
  • He said international community had to 'manage tensions brought about by US'
  • Iran has admitted its Revolutionary Guards shot down the jet, killing 176 people
  • Today Tehran said it had made several arrests as Hassan Rouhani vowed justice
  • Dozens of Iranians were on board the Ukraine International Airlines flight
By TIM STICKINGS FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 03:06 EST, 14 January 2020 | UPDATED: 10:52 EST, 14 January 2020

Justin Trudeau has today blamed the US 'escalation' in the Middle East for the Iranian shoot-down of a passenger jet in an extraordinary swipe at Donald Trump.

Echoing what Iranian officials have said, Trudeau said the dozens of Canadian crash victims would be 'home with their families' but for the tensions started by the US killing of Qassem Soleimani.

The Canadian PM said the international community had to 'manage the tensions in the region that are brought about by US actions'.
Wow!,I`m literally shocked,I would`ve thought that a pro zionist like trudeau would`ve been performing fellat!o on trump while shamelessly towing the american line blaming everything on iran........yet here he is blaming the orange sh!t-gibbon in chief himself for having precipitated the whole thing.Will wonders never cease!?
 
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Canada's Trudeau: Iran plane crash victims would be alive had there been no tension in region
Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said on Monday that the victims of the Ukrainian airliner shot down in Iran would still be alive if there had been no tensions in the region, according to a transcript of an interview with Global News TV.
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Local : 2020-01-13(Monday) 23:40:24
Found via nicer.app/news

'Those Canadians would be with their families now': Justin Trudeau takes extraordinary swipe at Donald Trump as he blames Iran shooting down jet on US raising tensions
  • Trudeau blamed US killing of general Qassem Soleimani for raising tensions
  • He said international community had to 'manage tensions brought about by US'
  • Iran has admitted its Revolutionary Guards shot down the jet, killing 176 people
  • Today Tehran said it had made several arrests as Hassan Rouhani vowed justice
  • Dozens of Iranians were on board the Ukraine International Airlines flight
By TIM STICKINGS FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 03:06 EST, 14 January 2020 | UPDATED: 10:52 EST, 14 January 2020

Justin Trudeau has today blamed the US 'escalation' in the Middle East for the Iranian shoot-down of a passenger jet in an extraordinary swipe at Donald Trump.

Echoing what Iranian officials have said, Trudeau said the dozens of Canadian crash victims would be 'home with their families' but for the tensions started by the US killing of Qassem Soleimani.

The Canadian PM said the international community had to 'manage the tensions in the region that are brought about by US actions'.

Well, it's like blaming the telephone pole I crash my car driving recklessly, I would not have crashed had the telephone pole were not there in the first place.

While I am not a fan of US foreign policy, I do not think this, in any sort of legal angle have any inkling on Trump Foreign Policy, you can probably sue US for this but I don't see how anyone can win a court case over this argument. Bit of a stretch, more like personal frustration from Trudeau.
 
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Maple Leaf Foods CEO criticizes the ‘narcissist in Washington’ after Iran deaths
'I am livid': After the Flight 752 disaster killed his colleague's wife and son, Michael McCain on Sunday night held the Trump administration responsible
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Maple Leafs Foods president and CEO Michael H. McCain has criticized the U.S. government for escalating tensions in the Middle East.Derek Ruttan/Postmedia Network

The chief executive of Canadian processed meat giant Maple Leaf Foods Inc. drew international attention on Monday after using the company’s Twitter account to admonish the Trump administration over last week’s Flight 752 disaster in Iran.

On Sunday evening, Michael McCain launched a series of emotionally charged Tweets at the U.S. president, accusing him of setting off a “needless, irresponsible series of events” that led to the crash, which claimed the lives of 57 Canadians. Among the victims were the wife and 11-year-old son of one of McCain’s Maple Leaf colleagues.

“I am very angry, and time isn’t making me less angry,” McCain wrote on Maple Leaf’s official account. “U.S. government leaders unconstrained by checks/balances, concocted an ill-conceived plan to divert focus from political woes.”

Janet Riley, Maple Leaf’s vice-president of communications, said McCain “gave great thought” to his remarks.

“He asked us to post it and we did,” she said.

Though Maple Leaf hasn’t released details on the staff member who lost his family in the crash, Riley confirmed that McCain knew him personally.

McCain — a high-profile Canadian executive, whose family is behind the famed McCain frozen french fry empire — controls 38.9 per cent of Maple Leaf Foods’ shares, according to an April 2019 management circular.

Maple Leaf has been steadily pushing into the American market, growing sales of its meat products while also emerging as a competitor to California-based Beyond Meat in the plant-based protein category.

In his last quarterly update, in October, McCain said Maple Leaf was seeing double-digit sales growth in the U.S. market with its antibiotic-free line of meat products.

And Maple Leaf’s pivot from cold cuts and hot dogs to plant protein means a major expansion into the U.S. In the past two years, Maple Leaf has opened a new division in Chicago devoted to plant proteins, and has announced plans for a US$310-million manufacturing plant in Indiana.

McCain also sits on the board of directors for Royal Bank of Canada, which has a significant presence in the United States.

“We are deeply shocked and saddened by the tragic loss of so many lives, and our thoughts and support remain with the victims and all those who have been touched by this unthinkable incident,” RBC said in a statement Monday. “We do not comment on the political views of independent directors, including Mr. McCain.”

On Monday, McCain’s invective against Trump drew a flurry of coverage from major American news outlets, including CNN, the New York Times and the Washington Post.

Without ever naming Donald Trump — referring to him instead as “a narcissist in Washington” — McCain criticized the president’s abandonment of the Iran nuclear agreement and the recent U.S. killing of Iranian general Qassem Soleimani.

“The world knows Iran is a dangerous state, but the world found a path to contain it; not perfect but by most accounts it was the right direction,” McCain said in an apparent reference to the nuclear deal.

“A narcissist in Washington tears world accomplishments apart; destabilizes region. US now unwelcomed everywhere in the area including Iraq; tensions escalated to feverish pitch,” he continued. “Taking out despicable military leader terrorist? There are a hundred like him, standing next in line.”

Iran retaliated for Soleimani’s death with missile strikes on U.S. military positions in Iraq, then hours later fired on Ukrainian Airlines Flight 752, killing all 176 on board, the majority of them en route to Canada via Kiev.

After initially denying any involvement, Iran admitted to shooting down the plane, calling it a “disastrous mistake” made while its air defences were on high alert following the missile strikes on U.S. targets.

“The collateral damage of this irresponsible, dangerous, ill-conceived behavior? 63 Canadians needlessly lost their lives in the crossfire,” McCain said. (The Canadian government has updated its figure to 57 Canadians killed from 63.)

“We are mourning and I am livid,” McCain wrote.


Had to look up what Narcissism is. Ha ha ha.

Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's idealised self image and attributes. This includes self-flattery, perfectionism, and arrogance.[1] The term originated from Greek mythology, where the young Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water.

Well, it's like blaming the telephone pole I crash my car driving recklessly, I would not have crashed had the telephone pole were not there in the first place.

While I am not a fan of US foreign policy, I do not think this, in any sort of legal angle have any inkling on Trump Foreign Policy, you can probably sue US for this but I don't see how anyone can win a court case over this argument. Bit of a stretch, more like personal frustration from Trudeau.
Unless Trump suddenly planted a pole in the middle of the road.
 
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Unless Trump suddenly planted a pole in the middle of the road.

Still, it would be the sole responsibility of the driver to pay due care not to clause accident in the road, even if a pole is in the middle of a road, where it's wasn't there 7 days ago, it is your job to open your eyes when you drive and avoid said post. I have saw too many case like this when I was interning in a law firm (Back when I still want to get my Bar exam done), when people hit a parked car that park illegally or park outside where they should park, these people blame the park car and usually say "He should not have park there" or "He parked illegally, it's not my fault" and you know what? If you go to court, it will always rules as your fault. That's because that car, albeit parked illegally, is not moving hence is seen as a part of that road, and you should have see it when you drive on the road.

Or you really believe it is Trump fault Iran shot down the airliner? Trump start a war, but it was Iran responsibility to fight it responsibly, Iran should pay due care to see what they were targeting. Trump is not to blame directly and legally, but morally, if you ask me, should he bear moral responsibility? Yes, he started it, you can blame him from starting this war, because he really did, but again, that have no bearing as to what Iran respond, and ultimately, it was the undue recklessness of the Iran side shot down that aircraft.
 
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Iran will send downed plane's black boxes to Ukraine for analysis

Iran will send to Ukraine the black boxes of a Ukrainian airliner that its military accidentally shot down this month, killing all 176 people on board, Iranian media reports.

Local : 2020-01-18(Saturday) 16:56:46
Found via nicer.app/news

Iran Announces Arrests Over Downing of Ukrainian Plane
Iran's judiciary said Tuesday that arrests have been made for the accidental shootdown of a Ukrainian passenger plane that killed all 176 people on board just after takeoff from Tehran last week.

Local : 2020-01-14(Tuesday) 10:49:27
Found via nicer.app/news
 
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Why pdf lacks members condemning Iranian terrorism? Actually Pakistanis and Americans should be on top of the list demanding pounding of terrorist regime, but surprise surprise they are all cool with the development!

World also demand to know, what were Ukrainians doing in Iran while there are (so called) US sanctions in place!
 
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