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Troops gain firm foothold in Peochar

i pray to Allah that such would not happen and the army can throw those barbarians and throat cutters in hell in no time.
To expect a 'quick end' is being unrealistic.

The militants are still holed up in populated areas like Mingora and preventing the locals from leaving and beheading and massacring them to ensure compliance with their orders. When and if the Army goes into the populated urban areas, there will be a bloodbath and it will take a long time.
Meanwhile, five decapitated bodies were found in different areas of Mingora, the main city of Swat, and 32 militants and an army captain were killed in Lower Dir over the past 24 hours.

Local people said militants were killing rivals and throwing their bodies around the city to terrorise people trapped in their homes because of curfew and the presence of the Taliban.

They said the militants were freely roaming around the city and warning people against leaving Swat. In order to avoid collateral damage in the populous Mingora, security forces have shifted their operation to Peochar.

Sources said that there would be a face-to-face battle if security forces entered Mingora because militants were preparing for a final showdown.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect...ity-forces-claim-gains-in-dir-malakand--bi-10

The only revolution we should see is one where Pakistanis categorically reject any group ever picking up arms to change the policies of the State - that is what elections are for.
 
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i have been advocating the building of cantonments in all of swat and FATA. if there is a requirement to raise another Corps HQ, it is here in the FATA/Swat area. there will then be a quick and rapid response if and when required.

in addition, this Corps HQ should be the lead-in Counter-Insurgency training facility.

there will be no complaints about not moving troops from the east.

the sooner its done, the better!:enjoy:

That is what i wish for as well, recruit primarily amongst the Swatis since there will be a crunch time on the common man in Swat even after TTP is thrown out and will be difficult for families to rebuild...able bodied youth of the mountains are more than good for the Army!

Induct them into proper army giving the locals much more share of Army life, use them as counter insurgency troops since their people have suffered most and they will be much more motivated.

We need to build permanent Army bases, cantonments with major facilities, roads etc which will not only add security but create jobs as well.

That is an excellent idea and though requires a budget, will be worth it if pushed through.
 
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COAS visits Swat; meets commanders

Updated : Thursday May 14 , 2009 4:28:55 PM


ISLAMABAD: Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani on Thursday visited the restive Swat valley and hold meetings with commanders and other army officials, ARY OneWorld reported.

According to the channel, the COAS was briefed about the ongoing army operation in Malakand Division.

On the occasion, he appreciated the high moral of Pakistan army in the offensive against militants.

COAS visits Swat; meets commanders,5/14/2009 5:57:55 PM

This really is the level of interaction that is the need of the hour for the Army. Thus far Kiyani has handled his job very sensibly and with immense dignity.

I wonder if our useless Defence Minister, PM would ever think about showing some leadership and getting out there. I would not be too surprised if Nawaz Sharif tried to capitalize on this and either went himself or sent someone senior representing his party to visit the troops and the area.
 
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This really is the level of interaction that is the need of the hour for the Army. Thus far Kiyani has handled his job very sensibly and with immense dignity.

I wonder if our useless Defence Minister, PM would ever think about showing some leadership and getting out there. I would not be too surprised if Nawaz Sharif tried to capitalize on this and either went himself or sent someone senior representing his party to visit the troops and the area.

Only a soldier or those familiar with Army life can really appreciate the significance of such a step...i have always seen Kayani as a thorough soldier and this is leadership of the highest order.

Kayani may well be the right man at the right time for once in our history.
 
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Gents,

I have a real issue with some of our newspapers including the daily Dawn.

I came across the following report on Kiyani's visit to Swat and this line put me off immensely. Sounds like passing on the buck for the war in Swat is already in the minds of these reporters or they are too used to copying western reports to be able to see how this would be read...take a read. How exactly is a nation to unite when these khotay of the media do not realize that these are Pakistani troops, not Kayani's personal servants. Now I understand at least some of the intricacies of English (being a second language I can not claim complete fluency), however I think this simple sentence could have been worded a bit more carefully to represent these folks as our soldiers. "His troops" has a nice ring to it when appropriate, but in the current circumstances, it betrays these fine men out there.

Just a little bit of patriotism and support would not kill these people. But then I am asking too much of the Pakistani media.

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Kayani tours Swat as troops pound militant hideouts

Thursday, 14 May, 2009 | 05:05 PM PST |
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On Wednesday, the security forces had gained a foothold in the Peochar valley, Mullah Fazlullah&#8217;s stronghold.&#8212; AP
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54 militants, nine soldiers killed in Swat offensive
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Swat operation: Is it on the right track?

PESHAWAR: Army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani on Thursday toured frontlines in the northwest Swat valley, where his troops are battling against Taliban militants, the military said.

The army chief of staff met field commanders and troops, saw &#8216;firsthand certain operations being carried out against the militants&#8217; and reiterated his resolve to defeat the extremists, the armed forces said in a statement.

It was Kayani's first reported visit to the area, which has been ripped apart by a nearly two-year Taliban insurgency to enforce sharia law, since the military launched a massive operation in the district last week.

Artillery batteries shelled suspected hideouts in Swat and the neighbouring district of Lower Dir on Thursday, but there were no immediate reports of new casualties on the 18th consecutive day of operations in the northwest.

&#8216;Militant hideouts were targeted in Dir and Swat and many of their hideouts were destroyed in mountains,&#8217; one security official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

The military says up to 15,000 troops are taking on about 4,000 well-armed fighters in Swat, where Islamabad has ordered a battle to &#8216;eliminate&#8217; militants.

Overall, the military says, more than 750 militants and 33 troops have been killed in its operations in Lower Dir, Buner and Swat, although there is no independent confirmation of the figures and no word on civilian casualties.

On Wednesday, the army claimed that security forces had gained a foothold in the Peochar valley, the stronghold of Taliban leader Mullah Fazlullah, and were targeting militants&#8217; hideouts there.

According to an ISPR update on Wednesday on the Swat operation, 11 militants, including commander Naseeb Rehman, were killed in different areas of the valley during the past 24 hours. Four soldiers were also killed and 12 others injured during the operation.

It said that consolidation of positions continued at Banai Baba Ziarat and Bariam bridge. A swathe from Khwazakhela to Bariam bridge and Chakdara-Gulabad road were cleared of militants.

&#8216;Normalcy is returning to Buner. People have started harvesting their crops and shops are reopening in the district. All preparations are in place to clear Sultanwas of militants,&#8217; the update said.

Meanwhile, five decapitated bodies were found in different areas of Mingora, the main city of Swat, and 32 militants and an army captain were killed in Lower Dir over the past 24 hours.

Local people said militants were killing rivals and throwing their bodies around the city to terrorise people trapped in their homes because of curfew and the presence of the Taliban.

They said the militants were freely roaming around the city and warning people against leaving Swat. In order to avoid collateral damage in the populous Mingora, security forces have shifted their operation to Peochar.

Sources said that there would be a face-to-face battle if security forces entered Mingora because militants were preparing for a final showdown.

In Lower Dir, 15 militants were killed on Wednesday when helicopter gunships fired missiles at a mother-child health centre near Battano, in Kityari area of Adenzai tehsil.

The centre was occupied by the Taliban militants some days ago. Local people said the bodies were still lying at the centre.

Security forces said that helicopters had also attacked the house of the father-in-law of a local Taliban commander in the village of Khuni Dhand, killing eight militants hiding there.

Helicopter gunships pounded militant hideouts in Barori, Kityari, Khunidag, Jangu and Tehdodag areas in the outskirts of Chakdara. Troops set up a checkpost in Tendodag.

Nine militants and an army captain were killed in fighting in Hayaserai area of Maidan late on Tuesday night. Troops destroyed 24 houses in the area. These houses were abandoned by local people and occupied by the Taliban.
 
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that is very true. even if u watch the programes comin on teli u will wonder wat are these ppl upto. at this point in time, instead of tryin to boost public openion in favour of army they are inviting PTI, JUI and some other ppl who have got no clue of wat they are talking about. they start from 2001 and try to impress upon us that how great historians they are. no one fu**in talks about wat to do now. also instead of showing how cruel talibans are and wat local ppl think about them, they start with a question of how many civillians have army killed so far. it seems there is a worm up their 1 dollar a$$ which keeps on tickling them from inside:angry::angry:
 
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Gents,

I have a real issue with some of our newspapers including the daily Dawn.

I came across the following report on Kiyani's visit to Swat and this line put me off immensely. Sounds like passing on the buck for the war in Swat is already in the minds of these reporters or they are too used to copying western reports to be able to see how this would be read...take a read. How exactly is a nation to unite when these khotay of the media do not realize that these are Pakistani troops, not Kayani's personal servants. Now I understand at least some of the intricacies of English (being a second language I can't claim complete fluency), however I think this simple sentence could have been worded a bit more carefully to represent these folks as our soldiers. "His troops" has a nice ring to it when appropriate, but in the current circumstances, it betrays these fine men out there.

Just a little bit of patriotism and support would not kill these people. But then I am asking too much of the Pakistani media.

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That is a sharp observation, media has a good chance to change the course of this country but so far it is failing miserably.

We should appreciate the so called shallow and much criticized foreign media for always supporting the cause of their nations in troubled times.

I smell lal masjid again if you ask me but then again, Allah knows i want to be wrong in this assessment!
 
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I suggest merging this thread with "Army called in to eliminate terrorists in Swat: PM" and maybe changing the name of that thread. A lot of the debate is similar in both threads.

Also, I would support a Corp HQ in the FATA region. Then they can truly be "Federally Administered" Tribal Areas. Right now there is little responsible "Federal Administration". But, most importantly, we need to begin economic and infrastructure development in FATA, Northern Areas, Balochistan etc. even if it takes a little away from Punjab and Sindh. We must make them feel that the country gives a damn about them.

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We should not criticize the media for showing both sides of the story. Civillians are dying, that is why it's called war, and the rest of Pakistan must know. There are sentiments against the operation, and those must be given a chance as well. Also, I must say, that the nature of the operation has made it difficult for the media to show the Army or Government's story completely, because the operation is ongoing and few concrete details are available. All the media can do is convery the message of the ISPR and report on other high-level details, which is what they are doing.

I believe that as long as the media stays neutral, there is no harm. There is no need for the media to show "patriotism". What they need to do is encourage helping the people who have been affected by the operation, the IDPs and those still in the areas of fighting, and the media is doing that. Lastly, I agree, "Kayani's Army" is not the proper term, it should be Pakistan Army, or even better, "Pak Fauj" (literally, Army of the Pure).
 
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At least 54 Taliban fighters have been killed in Pakistan's North West Frontier province, the country's army says.

Pakistan's military continued its offensive on Thursday against the Taliban amid reports that the US has for the first time shared data from its unmanned drones with Islamabad.

The army shelled suspected Taliban bases in the districts of Swat and Lower Dir on Thursday, marking the 18th successive day of attacks by the military in the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP).

"Militant hideouts were targeted in Dir and Swat and many of their hideouts were destroyed in mountains," a security official told the AFP news agency on condition of anonymity.

Another military official said troops were 16km from Swat's main town of Mingora, where Taliban fighters are in control.

The military has released a video showing the bombing of what it calls Taliban targets.

At least 834,000 civilians from the Swat and Buner districts are registered as displaced persons with the United Nations after leaving their homes to escape the fighting.

Antonio Guterres, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, told Al Jazeera that the scale of the refugee crisis is overwhelming.

"Pakistan has no capacity to deal with these people and to provide them with the basic needs they require. The Pakistani people are in need of massive humanitarian support from the international community," he said from the Swabi refugee camp on Thursday.

"If you look at the movement [of people from the war zone], it is indeed the biggest movement in present times. Massive humanitarian support is required or else there will be a humanitarian disaster."

Buner 'emptied'

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) said on Wednesday that it had entered Buner, one of the NWFP districts most affected by the conflict.
You can see the scars of recent fighting," Bart Janssens, the ICRC's health co-ordinator in Pakistan, said.

"There is no more electricity or clean drinking water. Most shops are closed. Goods on the market are scarce. The streets feel empty. The district is rapidly being emptied of its inhabitants."

The Pakistani military has up to 15,000 troops in place against about 4,000 Taliban fighters in the northwest of the country.

At least 750 suspected Taliban fighters and 33 troops have died in military operations in Lower Dir, Buner and Swat since April 26th, the military says.

The military onslaught comes after increasing pressure by the US government to take a stronger line against the Taliban.

The Taliban on Wednesday issued an ultimatum to provincial leaders in Pakistan, with a spokesman for the group telling Al Jazeera that the officials must resign or else their families would be targeted.Cowards
Drone co-operation

In another development, reports in the US media say that the Pentagon has shared with Islamabad surveillance data gathered from drones flying over Pakistani territory.

But "it is not clear" whether that co-operation will continue, the New York Times reported.

Pakistan has in recent months stated its opposition to US drone overflights. Bombs launched from drones have been responsible for the deaths of at least 390 people in Pakistan, many of them civilians, since August 2008.

Islamabad has called the drone overflights and bombing runs a violation of its territorial sovereignty.

Asif Ali Zardari, the Pakistani president, said on Wednesday that he had asked Washington for "ownership" of US drones carrying out attacks on its territory.

Islamabad was "negotiating terms" with Washington over the use of the drones, he said, after talks with Gordon Brown, the British prime minister, in London.
Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - Pakistan 'shells Taliban bases'
 
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Chief of Army Staff General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani (2R) being greeted by troops during his visit to Swat Valley on Thursday. An Inter-Services Public Relations statement said that Gen Kayani reiterated the army&#8217;s resolve to flush out militancy from Swat and defeat the Taliban as a whole, during his interaction with the operation commanders. afp
 
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