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You suffer from some serious downplaying issues, and lack of knowledge of the US armory. I think you're just riding the feel good "west is going down" train. No offense.

He's saying that China has achieved the level of strategic deterrence that can make USA back off from a fight. Do you deny that fact?
 
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but still Zaid Hamid prediction that Pakistan will conquer India is unbelievable?
Yup. Not in my lifetime. At max what Pakistan can get from India is totally nuked Pakistan and half nuked India, causing immense damage to rest of the world. Still you want to conquer, go ahead.
 
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Yup. Not in my lifetime. At max what Pakistan can get from India is totally nuked Pakistan and half nuked India, causing immense damage to rest of the world. Still you want to conquer, go ahead.

We have more nukes than you Im not sure with your calculations
 
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Please guys, not a Indo-Pak d**k measuring contest. :D

@Icewolf: Both countries keep their arsenal sizes secret. All we know is estimates by paranoid western analysts.
 
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Aren't this getting old already? Don't you have any braincell left for you to form any reasonable arguement?
what argument.. that PLAN will decimate the USN in SCS.. happy now. :lol:

EzioAltaïr;3408864 said:
He's saying that China has achieved the level of strategic deterrence that can make USA back off from a fight. Do you deny that fact?
China has strategic deterrence to the point where US wont be aggresor agaisnt China, but neither will USA allow Chinese aggression either in SCS or against Japan. China will remian confined to its present boundaries only. USN would not want to engage China unnecessarily but same time if China forces USN into a conflict then PLAN will be eliminated.

and the inability of China will be exposed further in this Japan China fiasco of present.
 
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While no one can predict the future for its detail. However I am sure 50 years ago any people with reasonable foresight would agree that in the future India and China would be an important player in the world stage. For me I always have known the role India will play even before its economy pick its pace in the last century. So anyone who underestimate India is being shortsighted.

However people can always predict the idiocracy you will bring to any forum whether it is in 2050 or 2090.
This century being Asian century and BRICS nations are more believable and realistic vision.

There may be sudden IMPULSIVE action which can change the trajectories which I think US is capable of doing. What we need especially India is disputes between Inda and China left untouched or low profile for at least 2 decades, Pakistan-India increasing more Economic Interdependency.

This whole region of Iran-Pakistan and Afghanistan is a play ground for giants like Russia, China and India. If we agree not to play Zero-Sum game, we can become more important in world front which I think China has reached while Russia(economically more than defense) and India(both economically and in defense) are trying to catch up.

Another aspect is India and China's influence in Africa. We should have detailed discussion or thread on this aspect as it is not discussed that much.
 
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This century being Asian century and BRICS nations are more believable and realistic vision.

There may be sudden IMPULSIVE action which can change the trajectories which I think US is capable of doing. What we need especially India is disputes between Inda and China left untouched or low profile for at least 2 decades, Pakistan-India increasing more Economic Interdependency.

This whole region of Iran-Pakistan and Afghanistan is a play ground for giants like Russia, China and India. If we agree not to play Zero-Sum game, we can become more important in world front which I think China has reached while Russia(economically more than defense) and India(both economically and in defense) are trying to catch up.

Another aspect is India and China's influence in Africa. We should have detailed discussion or thread on this aspect as it is not discussed that much.

"Giants like India" hahahahha
 
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Case in point, you don't even have the slightest idea of when others are talking about.

India gonna be the biggest economy in world in 2050 whether ccp likes it or not and your post shows that you have no idea of context of your own replies, and you just ramble to any point from post to post.
 
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We have more nukes than you Im not sure with your calculations
I will leave arguing with you with this post:-

Fire away your nukes, all you will have a millions of square kilometer of land not suitable to live, grow crops or anything for years, sanctions against your country and increase in Chaos in your country itself.

Start reasoning than thinking logically. Even China had enough firepower to grab India's major part during 1962 and even after that but they acted smart. War in countries like us, the developing one causes downturn and slowdown of economy while for developed countries like US, its a good business. look at 2012, exact 50 years later after 1962, instead of owning parts of India, they are new Superpower of THE WORLD.

China is your all-weather friend, start taking advice from them especially when economics is concerned. If you would have took their advice, you might be in better condition in which you are now.

Read Sun Tzu's Art of War or watch documentary on it.

India is fighting with you through economy. Economy is the new Nuclear Weapon. Look at China, $ 3 million in researve, $7.5 trillion (hope I'm right), their least growth rate being 8%(which if we have, we would be boasting to entire world). Search for how much China owns in Africa and how many countries in Euro zone.want China's help.
 
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I will leave arguing with you with this post:-

Fire away your nukes, all you will have a millions of square kilometer of land not suitable to live, grow crops or anything for years, sanctions against your country and increase in Chaos in your country itself.

Start reasoning than thinking logically. Even China had enough firepower to grab India's major part during 1962 and even after that but they acted smart. War in countries like us, the developing one causes downturn and slowdown of economy while for developed countries like US, its a good business.

China is your all-weather friend, start taking advice from them especially when economics is concerned. If you would have took their advice, you might be in better condition in which you are now.

Read Sun Tzu's Art of War or watch documentary on it. India is fighting with you through economy.

Economy is the new Nuclear Weapon.

We are in a better condition than India atleast... None
 
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We are in a better condition than India atleast... None

Back to square one. When all else fails, say that India's economy is worse off than Pakistan.

We are in a better condition than India atleast... None

Ooh and by the way. Those nukes you keep bragging about, they'll affect Pakistan as much as India. Check the weather patterns, and see how the radioactive clouds go. India and Pakistan are too close for a nuclear war.
 
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EzioAltaïr;3408895 said:
Back to square one. When all else fails, say that India's economy is worse off than Pakistan.

I never said that. I said people in Pakistan generally live better than normal Indians
 
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EzioAltaïr;3408864 said:
He's saying that China has achieved the level of strategic deterrence that can make USA back off from a fight. Do you deny that fact?

Yes, basically i do deny that fact. If push comes to shove i have no doubt who would be the winner. So much defense budget money buys plenty. And it's plenty of the good stuff.

But that wasn't the point, a better question would be why would US go to war with China? Surely not WW3 because of some rocks?
If you are monitoring these situations im sure you are aware of the dispute with the Japanese that is ongoing now. Seems there's no backing down there, like it was implied in the Phillipines case.
 
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