"Too much" freedom in India at the moment?

[naveen mishra]

IMO, you are very wrong. Since I'm from a very different culture, I might have a different view on this. The way how I see young and old Chinese behave in China is anything but western. What might look western are the gadgets like car, mobile phones and other technical stuffs, although most of them are either made in China, Japan or Korea and often also designed there. The everyday habit and interaction between each induvidual is still very different to us. I see it as a modern version of China but not a westernised one.

i am agree with you........

 

[naveen mishra]

But you don't have a very high human development index ranking.

A great power isn't just military, it's economy. IF you have a bigger economy, it means more money for the poor to be more able to afford luxuries, or in India's case at present, essentials for some. True more money doesn't mean high development, but it doesn't hurt to have more money and it certainly is part of the criteria.

India doesn't have to become a great power, though every indication is that it wants to. But forgetting that, having a bigger economy isn't bad is it. It is something that will benefit the people or isn't it.

high human development and great power, while doesn't come hand in hand, it kinda have to with a country as large as India.

i don't know about people who are living in china......but i have couple of good chines friend here in Jakarta.........4th generation back they have immigrate to Indonesia.....

i my point of view chines has very strong roots........always they love to confined within their own society..........still they are following ancient ritual and practice......their family value and system are very similar to Indian......here in pluit just beside Hindu... temple ,there is one chines temple ........there ritual looks similar to Indian practice

ones i have work with original chines in India (jindal steel) during project .........yes i agree original chines are not much interactive.....and lots of communication problem .....but all this are different thing.......

in my view......still chines has very strong roots.......which is not gonna to weak because of development

 

[Echo_419]

If we are to look at India right now, and the Indians in western countries, we can see that Indians can be productive members and even leaders in industries. We see that in India there are smart and dedicated people working in every field.

These people enjoy the freedoms of democracy offers and also contributes to society in a positive manner. And for them, I think no body has a problem.

Here's the problem: unfortunately for a people who are behind in the world, there will always be people who hold onto old traditions and the like no matter how stupid and nonconstructive it is.


This isn't an attack on the Indians, but a fact.

If we are to look at Westernization as a whole.

Russia, during the reign of Peter the great, he dragged the old Russia kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and into the age of enlightenment. By the time he died, Russia had suffered, but Russia also became a great power in Europe and paved the way for future role as the dominate power of Europe.

Then Japan, all customs were all but abandoned, and made sure everyone fell in line with western ideologies. By the end of the Russo-Japanese war, Japan almost became another people, but were a great power in the world stage.

China, obviously faced, the great leap forward and the cultural revolution, which devastated the Chinese culture and population. The rich were all but wiped out by the end of the revolution and thus began our westernization.

I don't need to tell you the pains the people had to endure to get to where we are. You guys have used it to ridicule China many times.

Today we resemble America more than we resemble China of old.

But here's the thing, we have become a great power whether the world like it or not.



So here's the question, India has grown on the backs of the people who are educated, or have a understanding on the importance of it, and hard working people. How are you going to make the other half of the population productive as well.

With the current Indian political situation, no way can tough measures be applied, so what is the solution? If any?

Wonderful thread sir
Speaks to the point

I admire the Chinese system very much but as much as I like it we cannot copy it
There is to much diversity in almost every matter
Religion,caste,gender,language etc
Implementing something like Cultural revolution or a Great Leap Forward
Will break india apart
So this is not possible & we are trying to change the existing system

You are one of my favourite Chinese members

 

[livingdead]

@Genesis , Indians are very slow to change, and our political system does not like to force changes, the reason being the backlash will take us further back.

 

[Star Wars]

Please do not confuse modernization to westernization .... I want to hold on to my cultural values while i progress in life ....

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Ehhh...who the F**k asked chinese members to tell us what we want to do and how? Mind your own goddamn business maggots.

 

[Slavery]

IMO, you are very wrong. Since I'm from a very different culture, I might have a different view on this. The way how I see young and old Chinese behave in China is anything but western. What might look western are the gadgets like car, mobile phones and other technical stuffs, although most of them are either made in China, Japan or Korea and often also designed there. The everyday habit and interaction between each induvidual is still very different to us. I see it as a modern version of China but not a westernised one.

Younger Chinese have abandoned traditional Chinese culture and are now dressing like westerners, eating western junk food, following Christianity, love western movies, love western music, love western arts and dance, follow western education, love western languages, buy western brands, traditional Chinese architecture replaced with western architecture and girls lining up to date and marry western men. Chinese culture has totally disintegrated and within a few decades China will have fully Americanized. 5000 years of Chinese history gone down the drain just for the sake of wealth.

America have conquered China without firing a bullet.

 

[livingdead]

Younger Chinese have abandoned traditional Chinese culture and are now dressing like westerners, eating western junk food, following Christianity, love western movies, love western music, love western arts and dance, follow western education, love western languages, buy western brands, traditional Chinese architecture replaced with western architecture and girls lining up to date and marry western men. Chinese culture has totally disintegrated and within a few decades China will have fully Americanized. 5000 years of Chinese history gone down the drain just for the sake of wealth.

America have conquered China without firing a bullet.

there is nothing wrong, they will come back to their ways by he time they hit 25 +. American culture is popular among youth all over the world.

 

[naveen mishra]

there is nothing wrong, they will come back to their ways by he time they hit 25 +. American culture is popular among youth all over the world.

agree...............

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Younger Chinese have abandoned traditional Chinese culture and are now dressing like westerners, eating western junk food, following Christianity, love western movies, love western music, love western arts and dance, follow western education, love western languages, buy western brands, traditional Chinese architecture replaced with western architecture and girls lining up to date and marry western men. Chinese culture has totally disintegrated and within a few decades China will have fully Americanized. 5000 years of Chinese history gone down the drain just for the sake of wealth.

America have conquered China without firing a bullet.

I suspect that you have never been to many western countries and lived there for a while. Your definition of the West is shallow at best and ignorant at worst.

I just came back from vacation in Spain, a western country, and yet Spain feels so different from Germany, not only the weather – the language, the way they dress (much more sophisticated than Germans), their cuisine (great food), the architecture (great design but poor engineering), the interaction between the people ... it's a pretty different world and still western in a sense and very Spanish at the same time. They too watch Hollywood movies, wear jeans and t-shirts and drink coke, but these are all superficial stuffs. Their soul is very Spanish once you have contact with them.

The same is what I observe when I'm in China. At the surface, there are a lot of similarities, which is what the globalised world makes us look like. But once you have personal contact with them, all the jeans, iPhone and other gadgets mean little to nothing.

Here in Germany, France or the UK, we like to go to Chinese and Japanese restaurants and knowing how to use chopsticks is a sign of sophistication, knowing how to cook some Chinese, Japanese or Thai dishes is a must for any amateur cook (not to speak of all the star chefs who have no problems to infuse eastern cooking techniques and ingredients), in the evening, when you go to high class restaurants or to the opera, it's not seldom to see the ladies wearing an expensive qipao ... and yet, we have not easternised but rather see it as an enrichment of our life.

 

[Genesis]

Before I thought India was slow as well, but more recently I started to think India is actually moving really fast relatively.

We must look at this objectively. Indian government has pulled a lot of people out of poverty with more restrictions than a monk.

Looking at it, we the Chinese can force our dead weight to move forward or.get them out of the way. While India has to carry that weight with no way of making them do anything to benefit the nation.

So here's my question all great nations are forged with blood and iron, yea I know the original meaning, can India do without?

The hard part isn't to get the smart rich, but to get the stupid well off. Without strong government presence, can India do it?

WhG are its plans?

 

[Okemos]

If we are to look at India right now, and the Indians in western countries, we can see that Indians can be productive members and even leaders in industries. We see that in India there are smart and dedicated people working in every field.

These people enjoy the freedoms of democracy offers and also contributes to society in a positive manner. And for them, I think no body has a problem.

Here's the problem: unfortunately for a people who are behind in the world, there will always be people who hold onto old traditions and the like no matter how stupid and nonconstructive it is.


This isn't an attack on the Indians, but a fact.

If we are to look at Westernization as a whole.

Russia, during the reign of Peter the great, he dragged the old Russia kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and into the age of enlightenment. By the time he died, Russia had suffered, but Russia also became a great power in Europe and paved the way for future role as the dominate power of Europe.

Then Japan, all customs were all but abandoned, and made sure everyone fell in line with western ideologies. By the end of the Russo-Japanese war, Japan almost became another people, but were a great power in the world stage.

China, obviously faced, the great leap forward and the cultural revolution, which devastated the Chinese culture and population. The rich were all but wiped out by the end of the revolution and thus began our westernization.

I don't need to tell you the pains the people had to endure to get to where we are. You guys have used it to ridicule China many times.

Today we resemble America more than we resemble China of old.

But here's the thing, we have become a great power whether the world like it or not.



So here's the question, India has grown on the backs of the people who are educated, or have a understanding on the importance of it, and hard working people. How are you going to make the other half of the population productive as well.

With the current Indian political situation, no way can tough measures be applied, so what is the solution? If any?

WTF, are you seriously considering cultural revolution, great leap forward some kind of westernization that China must endure in order to achieve progress? Are you nuts? I am sorry but if those are positive events that China should endure in the future in order to progress, I would rather live in backward India or backward China. You can emigrate to a true "western" country.

Even though I live in the U.S. I still cling to my Chinese traditions. I never celebrate Christmas or any western holidays. I only celebrate Chinese holidays. I go to Buddhist temple that was established by people from Taiwan. I do drink coffee but I don't go to Starbucks like some young Chinese in China to show off how modern and westernized they are. But I am pretty sure I am more enlightened about political systems, cultures, etc than those "westernized" young Chinese in China. Therefore, you don't have to adopt western cultures in order to be progressive. I am disgusted at post-1949 China, first following Maxism,then Russia, then Hollywood.

Modernization =/=westernization. Humanity has progressed prior to Europe dominance and China has built up its own unique culture for millenniums. I don't want to be dragged into "westernization," in my generation and to see China totally abandon its uniqueness within such short span of time. If you want another cultural revolution, most Chinese are educated enough not to be fooled.

 

[Okemos]

Back to the topic, if Indians choose to have more freedom than regulations, that's their choice of life. No outsiders should dictate how they should live their life. Of course, as more and more Indians become richer and more educated, they will know better what's good for them. But we outsiders know nothing about what's good for them.

Plus, political systems have roots in traditions. India historically is more fragmented than China and Indian people have been better at debating etc, at least from what I learned during Buddhist time when Xuanzang visited India.

 

[IND151]

Japanese did.

They modernized at break-neck speeds but retained all their culture.

They still do and don't bow down to alien cultures.

That's what we want to do.

Not exactly

they too have suffered from bad effects of westernization and their culture also has been affect, to a limited extent, as far as I know

 

[IND151]

There is not right or wrong approach. China can regain its culture by massive investment of time and money into researching its past and raising awareness about it. It has been done by the jews and there is no reason why china will not do it.

India too is facing massive destruction of its culture due to naive idea's of being 'secular'. Such half baked ideas is fare more dangerous than faster economic growth. ........ ... a lot had to do with Indian culture itself.

As one poster pointed out, material wealth was not highly regarded in Indian civilization. Knowledge was always given more respect and prominence. In today's material world that is changing .....but I think in today's knowledge economies, India will revert back to its ancient culture.

....to put it a bit crudely ....Brahmins (who represented knowledge) were always respected than Vaishyas (who represented trade and wealth).

There is an old saying in India ......A King is respected in his Kingdom ....a Scholar is respected wherever he goes.

Swadeshe pujyate raja vidyan sarvatra pujyate

In today's material world that is changing .....but I think in today's knowledge economies, India will revert back to its ancient culture.

For that we need strong policies and timely implementation of those policies