"Too much" freedom in India at the moment?

[Genesis]

If we are to look at India right now, and the Indians in western countries, we can see that Indians can be productive members and even leaders in industries. We see that in India there are smart and dedicated people working in every field.

These people enjoy the freedoms of democracy offers and also contributes to society in a positive manner. And for them, I think no body has a problem.

Here's the problem: unfortunately for a people who are behind in the world, there will always be people who hold onto old traditions and the like no matter how stupid and nonconstructive it is.


This isn't an attack on the Indians, but a fact.

If we are to look at Westernization as a whole.

Russia, during the reign of Peter the great, he dragged the old Russia kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and into the age of enlightenment. By the time he died, Russia had suffered, but Russia also became a great power in Europe and paved the way for future role as the dominate power of Europe.

Then Japan, all customs were all but abandoned, and made sure everyone fell in line with western ideologies. By the end of the Russo-Japanese war, Japan almost became another people, but were a great power in the world stage.

China, obviously faced, the great leap forward and the cultural revolution, which devastated the Chinese culture and population. The rich were all but wiped out by the end of the revolution and thus began our westernization.

I don't need to tell you the pains the people had to endure to get to where we are. You guys have used it to ridicule China many times.

Today we resemble America more than we resemble China of old.

But here's the thing, we have become a great power whether the world like it or not.



So here's the question, India has grown on the backs of the people who are educated, or have a understanding on the importance of it, and hard working people. How are you going to make the other half of the population productive as well.

With the current Indian political situation, no way can tough measures be applied, so what is the solution? If any?

 

[Mritunjaya]

The real question to be asked is ............is the goal of any nation to become a 'great power' ?

Or is it to ensure a very high Human Development Index along with maintaining its cultural values, social structures and civilizational continuity.

India is slow on its path to development and there is a constant and consistent risk of further slowing of the pace of development and a stronger risk of loosing its cultural values.

What do you want to gain .......and what are you willing to loose ? ..............China forgot to ask that question. India is forever asking that question.

 

[naveen mishra]

good one bro.....................

The real question to be asked is ............is the goal of any nation to become a 'great power' ?

Or is it to ensure a very high Human Development Index along with maintaining its cultural values, social structures and civilizational continuity.

India is slow on its path to development and there is a constant and consistent risk of further slowing of the pace of development and a stronger risk of loosing its cultural values.

What do you want to gain .......and what are you willing to loose ? ..............China forgot to ask that question. India is forever asking that question.

good one bro.....................

 

[Indianpatriot1]

If we are to look at India right now, and the Indians in western countries, we can see that Indians can be productive members and even leaders in industries. We see that in India there are smart and dedicated people working in every field.

These people enjoy the freedoms of democracy offers and also contributes to society in a positive manner. And for them, I think no body has a problem.

Here's the problem: unfortunately for a people who are behind in the world, there will always be people who hold onto old traditions and the like no matter how stupid and nonconstructive it is.


This isn't an attack on the Indians, but a fact.

If we are to look at Westernization as a whole.

Russia, during the reign of Peter the great, he dragged the old Russia kicking and screaming out of the dark ages and into the age of enlightenment. By the time he died, Russia had suffered, but Russia also became a great power in Europe and paved the way for future role as the dominate power of Europe.

Then Japan, all customs were all but abandoned, and made sure everyone fell in line with western ideologies. By the end of the Russo-Japanese war, Japan almost became another people, but were a great power in the world stage.

China, obviously faced, the great leap forward and the cultural revolution, which devastated the Chinese culture and population. The rich were all but wiped out by the end of the revolution and thus began our westernization.

I don't need to tell you the pains the people had to endure to get to where we are. You guys have used it to ridicule China many times.

Today we resemble America more than we resemble China of old.

But here's the thing, we have become a great power whether the world like it or not.



So here's the question, India has grown on the backs of the people who are educated, or have a understanding on the importance of it, and hard working people. How are you going to make the other half of the population productive as well.

With the current Indian political situation, no way can tough measures be applied, so what is the solution? If any?

The solution will come from the way you frame your problem.

Take any photograph of China / Japan and blur out people's faces. You won't know whether it is China or the USA.

If this is the goal you wanted to reach, I m happy for you.

India has always been a culture of mini republics. Each village and each community enjoying maximum autonomy, even in Mughal or British times. The real reason the British could rule was that these "mini republics" did not bother who collected taxes as long as they had autonomy in their own matters. No one can even think of launching a cultural revolution in India, or imposing a dictatorship.

Culture, in fact, is undergoing a great revival. As India prospers, it will be far more Hindu.

And that shows in our development style. The Chinese, being group oriented, are build for great projects...maybe a superpower.

Indians do not cooperate because they convert the workplace into a parliament. They do excellent individually, though.

And lastly, Hinduism is a great metaphysical religion. Wealth, though desirable, is never seen as the top virtue.

 

[Genesis]

The real question to be asked is ............is the goal of any nation to become a 'great power' ?

Or is it to ensure a very high Human Development Index along with maintaining its cultural values, social structures and civilizational continuity.

India is slow on its path to development and there is a constant and consistent risk of further slowing of the pace of development and a stronger risk of loosing its cultural values.

What do you want to gain .......and what are you willing to loose ? ..............China forgot to ask that question. India is forever asking that question.

But you don't have a very high human development index ranking.

A great power isn't just military, it's economy. IF you have a bigger economy, it means more money for the poor to be more able to afford luxuries, or in India's case at present, essentials for some. True more money doesn't mean high development, but it doesn't hurt to have more money and it certainly is part of the criteria.

India doesn't have to become a great power, though every indication is that it wants to. But forgetting that, having a bigger economy isn't bad is it. It is something that will benefit the people or isn't it.

high human development and great power, while doesn't come hand in hand, it kinda have to with a country as large as India.

 

[Mritunjaya]

But you don't have a very high human development index ranking.

Which is why we are still a 'developing country' .......where is the confusion ?

A great power isn't just military, it's economy. IF you have a bigger economy, it means more money for the poor to be more able to afford luxuries, or in India's case at present, essentials for some. True more money doesn't mean high development, but it doesn't hurt to have more money and it certainly is part of the criteria.

Thank you for the definition of great power and also explaining the importance of Money. All this is general knowledge............what is your point ? ......I have already answered that making money by keeping your cultural value systems, social structure and civilizational continuity is the answer.

Prostitution will help girls make money ........ is that how women want to make money ?

India doesn't have to become a great power, though every indication is that it wants to. But forgetting that, having a bigger economy isn't bad is it. It is something that will benefit the people or isn't it.

high human development and great power, while doesn't come hand in hand, it kinda have to with a country as large as India.

Great power status is a reflection of the nation influence. It is not the Goal. It's a side effect of our achieving the goal.

Goal will continue to remain development of the people of India. When that goal is reached, our influence will grow and great power status will natural come with it.

This is why India is not in any race to win medals at Olympics. We will win enough medals when we are ready for it ......it is not our Goal. It is an side effect of our Goal.

 

[Genesis]

Which is why we are still a 'developing country' .......where is the confusion ?



Thank you for the definition of great power and also explaining the importance of Money. All this is general knowledge............what is your point ? ......I have already answered that making money by keeping your cultural value systems, social structure and civilizational continuity is the answer.

Prostitution will help girls make money ........ is that how women want to make money ?



Great power status is a reflection of the nation influence. It is not the Goal. It's a side effect of our achieving the goal.

Goal will continue to remain development of the people of India. When that goal is reached, our influence will grow and great power status will natural come with it.

This is why India is not in any race to win medals at Olympics. We will win enough medals when we are ready for it ......it is not our Goal. It is an side effect of our Goal.

So pretty much you want the best of both world, keeping your old traditions and advancing further.

Ok, good talk, good luck with that, we or anyone else in history couldn't do it, but let's see if India can.

 

[Dash]

So here's the question, India has grown on the backs of the people who are educated, or have a understanding on the importance of it, and hard working people. How are you going to make the other half of the population productive as well.

With the current Indian political situation, no way can tough measures be applied, so what is the solution? If any?

The underlined part has the answer. Giive more importance to education and India will keep growing...

 

[Mritunjaya]

So pretty much you want the best of both world, keeping your old traditions and advancing further.

Ok, good talk, good luck with that, we or anyone else in history couldn't do it, but let's see if India can.

There are many nations that have done it. It is a slower model of development .......but very much possible.

Its the speed of change that destroys ancient cultures. Cultures need time to adapt itself to modernity. India's pace of development is tied to the rate of adaptability of or culture. That is what democracy ensures.

In short, it is the difference between Evolution and Revolution.

 

[Tshering22]

The article speaks the truth in a way.


There is indeed too much freedom or I'd say lack of law and rules in our country.


No civic sense and backward states are still a century away from even the tier-1 cities, forget rest of the world.


Laws are flawed, there is no implementation of it as a result of which people don't feel safe and anti-social elements prosper.

Seeing, this people get angry and frustrated and they also resort to unruly attitude to safeguard their individual and family interests.

 

[StarCraft_ZT]

My thoughts about freedom, maybe off topic.

View "freedom" in relative perspectives.

There is never an absolute or 100% freedom. You cannot do whatever you like without restrictions.

Well, I would say that, as long-term institutions, I am totally against dictatorships. But a dictatorship may be a necessary system for a transitional period. At times it is necessary for a country to have, for a time, some form or other of dictatorial power. As you will understand, it is possible for a dictator to govern in a liberal way. And it is also possible for a democracy to govern with a total lack of liberalism. Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism.

A limited democracy might indeed be the best protector of individual liberty and be better than any other form of limited government, but an unlimited democracy is probably worse than any other form of unlimited government, because its government loses the power even to do what it thinks right if any group on which its majority depends thinks otherwise.

By Friedrich Hayek who is pro-individualism and liberty.

 

[Tshering22]

So pretty much you want the best of both world, keeping your old traditions and advancing further.

Ok, good talk, good luck with that, we or anyone else in history couldn't do it, but let's see if India can.

Japanese did.

They modernized at break-neck speeds but retained all their culture.

They still do and don't bow down to alien cultures.

That's what we want to do.

 

[Slavery]

The real question to be asked is ............is the goal of any nation to become a 'great power' ?

Or is it to ensure a very high Human Development Index along with maintaining its cultural values, social structures and civilizational continuity.

India is slow on its path to development and there is a constant and consistent risk of further slowing of the pace of development and a stronger risk of loosing its cultural values.

What do you want to gain .......and what are you willing to loose ? ..............China forgot to ask that question. India is forever asking that question.

Good point. In search of blind economic development, we have given up our Chinese culture and embraced western culture. We have become westernized instead of modernized with Chinese culture. Chinese youth have abandoned Chinese culture and embraced western culture. It's extremely sad that 5000 years of our history have been obliterated just for the sake of GDP growth.

Hopefully India don't make the same mistakes our leaders made and you guys retain your original culture while becoming modernized.

 

[Mritunjaya]

Good point. In search of blind economic development, we have given up our Chinese culture and embraced western culture. We have become westernized instead of modernized with Chinese culture. Chinese youth have abandoned Chinese culture and embraced western culture. It's extremely sad that 5000 years of our history have been obliterated just for the sake of GDP growth.

Hopefully India don't make the same mistakes our leaders made and you guys retain your original culture while becoming modernized.

There is not right or wrong approach. China can regain its culture by massive investment of time and money into researching its past and raising awareness about it. It has been done by the jews and there is no reason why china will not do it.

India too is facing massive destruction of its culture due to naive idea's of being 'secular'. Such half baked ideas is fare more dangerous than faster economic growth. ........ ... a lot had to do with Indian culture itself.

As one poster pointed out, material wealth was not highly regarded in Indian civilization. Knowledge was always given more respect and prominence. In today's material world that is changing .....but I think in today's knowledge economies, India will revert back to its ancient culture.

....to put it a bit crudely ....Brahmins (who represented knowledge) were always respected than Vaishyas (who represented trade and wealth).

There is an old saying in India ......A King is respected in his Kingdom ....a Scholar is respected wherever he goes.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Good point. In search of blind economic development, we have given up our Chinese culture and embraced western culture. We have become westernized instead of modernized with Chinese culture. Chinese youth have abandoned Chinese culture and embraced western culture. It's extremely sad that 5000 years of our history have been obliterated just for the sake of GDP growth.

Hopefully India don't make the same mistakes our leaders made and you guys retain your original culture while becoming modernized.

IMO, you are very wrong. Since I'm from a very different culture, I might have a different view on this. The way how I see young and old Chinese behave in China is anything but western. What might look western are the gadgets like car, mobile phones and other technical stuffs, although most of them are either made in China, Japan or Korea and often also designed there. The everyday habit and interaction between each induvidual is still very different to us. I see it as a modern version of China but not a westernised one.