Tony Blair calls for regime change in Iran and Syria

[somebozo]

For now things are going on the right direction. Something we did not even imagine it would happen for 25 some years. Why mess with it?? I said it before and I will say it again. If King Fahad was in power today you would have seen an Arab spring in Saudi Arabia but that is not the case for King Abdullah.

King Abdullah is a good man. A man who really seeks the best interest of his people first a perfect leader in all sense of the word. He Resurrected all the projects that King Faisal planned but then were stopped by the one after him to increase the Royal Family wealth on the expense of the people. Now most of the Saudi treasury goes to education, research, infrastructure etc.

And increase the American treasury as well. 20 Years of looting Saudi oil built the American industrial complex they are all so proud of.
Not sure if you remember the address of Abdullah as a crown prince on Saudi TV asking citizen to buckle up and get ready for the worst as oil prices slipped to $8 a barrel. If it was not for fahad, the oil prices would have never slipped because oil is black gold and it only rises in value. Since the source of looting oil has stopped for the Americans, they have gone crazy. Invading Afghanistan then Iraq, chasing Pakistan and trying to sort out numerous priorities.

 

[muse]

Maybe saudies need regime change which reflects the people in saudie. Or a mechanism where by evil people can not come in power. Mos brother it would only require a couple of thousand saudies to stand up cos you have oil lots of western countries would then be able to help you with human rights etc

This is not possible without revolution -- These countries are "rentier" countries and the oil companies have the power of the West and in addition, because it is organized as a kingdom, the so called princes and princesses simply need their expenses taken care of and all will be hunky dory -- plus think about it, what would happen to the economies of the West is there was real representative government there?? And what would happen to Israel??

Yes, we are hard on the Saudi but anyway you look at it, they have the world by the nuts, so to speak - and so any change that reflects the will of the people will be one that is won with blood - there won't be too many takers for that.

 

[lem34]

For now things are going on the right direction. Something we did not even imagine it would happen for 25 some years. Why mess with it?? I said it before and I will say it again. If King Fahad was in power today you would have seen an Arab spring in Saudi Arabia but that is not the case for King Abdullah.

King Abdullah is a good man. A man who really seeks the best interest of his people first a perfect leader in all sense of the word. He Resurrected all the projects that King Faisal planned but then were stopped by the one after him to increase the Royal Family wealth on the expense of the people. Now most of the Saudi treasury goes to education, research, infrastructure etc.

Ok well lets hope you are right

 

[Mosamania]

And increase the American treasury as well. 20 Years of looting saudi oil built the American industrial complex they are all so proud of.

Interesting to note King Fahad was King Abdulaziz's favorite kid and he spoiled him with everything since he was young when the kingdom was founded unlike Faisal before him who led his father's army and fought and got shot himself.

he reminded me a lot of Liu Chan Liu Bei's favorite son who was also spoiled and led the kingdom of Shu into ruin.

 

[muse]

Education, research, infrastructure, etc. are not the fundamental problem in Arabia - There are two things that are intertwined that continue to hobble the people - see, we live in a world and are part of a legacy, in which authority arises from the approval of the people and the more educated the Saudi, the more the degree of dissonance that has to be dealt with - for instance, the rate of unemployment among Saudi males is said to be around 10 percent, some put the figure at 25 percent, and the transition from tribal to modern society has not been successful, for instance, the notion that "work" itself is a moral and ethical proposition for all in society, has not been successful, primarily because of the subsidies the state provides but also because it's very difficult to create such a consciousness in a tribal society without some authority propagating these ideas - and when it comes to ideas, we all regret the quality of the ideas.

 

[BATMAN]

Why are we discussing Arabs, while the subject is about Iran?

Iran's mullah revolution was engineered by UK to part it from Pakistan.

Now after 3 decades of brain washing, they have achieved their goal and now they will profit again from the imminent change.

Guys... no news come out of Iran but the situation there is ripe for revolution.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

I presume Syria is Arab.

 

[somebozo]

Why are we discussing Arabs, while the subject is about Iran?

Iran's mullah revolution was engineered by UK to part it from Pakistan.

Now after 3 decades of brain washing, they have achieved their goal and now they will profit again from the imminent change.

Guys... no news come out of Iran but the situation there is ripe for revolution.

It was actually Britain and France.

 

[longbrained]

Why are we discussing Arabs, while the subject is about Iran?

Iran's mullah revolution was engineered by UK to part it from Pakistan.

Now after 3 decades of brain washing, they have achieved their goal and now they will profit again from the imminent change.

Guys... no news come out of Iran but the situation there is ripe for revolution.

I guess you are confusing Operation Ajax of 53 with the revolution of 79. It was Shah who had been installed by UK similar to the way Saudi rulers were installed by British intelligence such as the Lawrence of Arabia. In 79, Iranians won their independence and as can be seen today, they are completely sovereign compared with Saudi rulers which have to bow down to British, American and Israelis all the time. And yeah, Pakistan is still friends with Iran for your information. The Pakistani PM is right now there roaming in Iran and buying gas and electricity.

 

[Mosamania]

I guess you are confusing Operation Ajax of 53 with the revolution of 79. It was Shah who had been installed by UK similar to the way Saudi rulers were installed by British intelligence such as the Lawrence of Arabia. In 79, Iranians won their independence and as can be seen today, they are completely sovereign compared with Saudi rulers which have to bow down to British, American and Israelis all the time. And yeah, Pakistan is still friends with Iran for your information. The Pakistani PM is right now there roaming in Iran and buying gas and electricity.

Lawrence of Arabia came to Prince Faisal of Al-Hashimite Kingdom now known as Jordan Genius....Shows you how much history you really know to start lecturing people about it.

 

[somebozo]

I guess you are confusing Operation Ajax of 53 with the revolution of 79. It was Shah who had been installed by UK similar to the way Saudi rulers were installed by British intelligence such as the Lawrence of Arabia. In 79, Iranians won their independence and as can be seen today, they are completely sovereign compared with Saudi rulers which have to bow down to British, American and Israelis all the time. And yeah, Pakistan is still friends with Iran for your information. The Pakistani PM is right now there roaming in Iran and buying gas and electricity.

Not sure where you get your opnions but the situation on ground is much different than you precivie. Under King Abdullah, not only Saudi has managed to take driver seat in oil matters but now they are slowly bankrupting USA by massive print out of Saudi currency. Remember SAR is fixed to USA, so when SAR is printed it is equivalent to printing of dollar. Massive currency printing by Saudi Arabia will result in direct inflation in the USA. Its complicated to explain however in simple economic terms. The SAR peg with dollar provides and element of stability to US dollar due to massive Saudi oil reserves however as Saudis print their currency, the security afforded by oil shifts in favors of Saudi currency and have a less stabilizing effect on US dollar.

With increasing wealth, the Saudis are able to trade more and their currency become well demanded because it enables the foreign countries to purchase oil from KSA without engaging in Dollar transactions.

 

[longbrained]

Lawrence of Arabia came to Prince Faisal of Al-Hashimite Kingdom now known as Jordan Genius....Shows you how much history you really know to start lecturing people about it.

I know enough that Saudi is completely under US control. Without doubt.

 

[SyrianChristianPatriot]

Either way Dr. Assad will not be removed we have the backing of China, Russia, Iran, and Hezbollah, and any type of intervention will not be taken Lightly we will not let what happen to Gaddafi happen to Dr. Assad.

 

[somebozo]

Lawrence of Arabia came to Prince Faisal of Al-Hashimite Kingdom now known as Jordan Genius....Shows you how much history you really know to start lecturing people about it.

Also neither Imam Abdul Wahab nor Abdul Aziz Ibn Saud directly engaged in conflicts with Ottomon Turks because the Ottoman has no authority over Nejd though they had an animosity towards the Ottomans in their role of executing earlier Al-Saud clan leaders who wanted to form a Saudi State (first and second Saudi state). The Ibn Saudi arch rivals were Al-Rashid which ruled from Hail as vassals of Ottomans. With the weakening Ottoman rule, the Ibn Saud raided Haill and forced the Al-Rashid to defect then plundered their palace and annexed Hail into his Kingdom of Nejd.

The Hashmite were instrumental in being British puppets and stir up Arab nationalism which led to defeat in Palestine and creation of Israel. The idealogy of rival Al-Sauds were pan-islamism. This is why upong the founding of Saudi Arabia, Abdul Aziz favored relations with United States over relations with UK while the Hashmite Kingdom of Jordan remained a British puppet for a long time.

 

[muse]

Not sure where you get your opnions but the situation on ground is much different than you precivie. Under King Abdullah, not only Saudi has managed to take driver seat in oil matters but now they are slowly bankrupting USA by massive print out of Saudi currency. Remember SAR is fixed to USA, so when SAR is printed it is equivalent to printing of dollar. Massive currency printing by Saudi Arabia will result in direct inflation in the USA. Its complicated to explain however in simple economic terms. The SAR peg with dollar provides and element of stability to US dollar due to massive Saudi oil reserves however as Saudis print their currency, the security afforded by oil shifts in favors of Saudi currency and have a less stabilizing effect on US dollar.

With increasing wealth, the Saudis are able to trade more and their currency become well demanded because it enables the foreign countries to purchase oil from KSA without engaging in Dollar transactions.

Don't buy into mumbo jumbo - reality is that the US dollar is backed by the US military control over Saudi oil - remember these are "rentier" countries - the printing of SAR is meaningless to the dollar because they are both backed by the same commodity.