Tokyo must address nuclear material imbalance, Beijing says

[XiaoYaoZi]

Well, why will Japan nuke China, makes no sense at all, The Japanese public is even against their country being a normal country(i.e having the right to having offensive weapons like all countries with capabilities do, or arming themselves/coming to aid of allies if attacked etc), so nuking another country is the last thing Japan of all countries will ever do. I'm sure you know that yourself, you are just saying such a thing because you hate Japan with passion.same like what some Vietnamese(due to their hate of China) on here use to say silly imaginary stuffs about China which everybody knows will never happen. At least i thought you were one of the few members here who was more rational and less emotional bro.

Anyway, Japan wont nuke China even if they decided to produce a nuclear bomb, everybody knows that, so that point is mute. Secondly, how are you comparing a highly developed advanced industrial power like Japan to a third world backward shit hole like North Korea? The two are like day and night. lol If a backward third world like country like North Korea can build nuclear weapons, you can imagine what Japan is capable of. Even India and Pakistan have nukes, so you think they are more capable than Japan? lol Plus you know that Japan is one of the most advanced countries when it comes to nuclear civilian technology/industry. Many countries in the world depends on them for equipment/components for their nuclear material/industry including several major European countries.
For example the largest and best-known supplier of heavy forgings in the world is Japan Steel Works . It has the distinction of having supplied the pressure vessels for the first two Areva EPR plants in Finland and France. It even has a contract with your country's company Dongfang Electric Corporation to supply forged components, including for reactor pressure vessels.

You will be surprised to know that the world's nuclear industry is inter-connected and inter-dependent on Japan-manufactured engineering products. Japan has done an enormous amount of research and development in the field of nuclear technology. Its a huge joke comparing them with North Korea, in fact in nuclear technology field i will say its the most advanced country in Asia by a margin.

The only reason Japan decides not to build nukes FOR NOW, is due to historical reasons and the fact that their public is deeply anti nuclear(even for civilian purposes like building of nuclear reactors.). Plus developing nukes in today's modern world is a very sensitive issue for any country. So make no mistake they have had the capabilities longggg ago, its just politics that complicates matters. So i think Japanese politicians have to the conclusion that its easier to find a middle path and adopt a policy of letting its enemies know it has large stockpiles of nuclear grade materials to build nukes at quick notice if ever there was to be need for one, but they won't build it obviously, except something catastrophic like a full scale war where Japan itself is threatened with annihilation/blackmail then yes MAYBE.

So to be honest, i think they will keep storing their huge plutonium stockpiles for just this reason i.e as A MESSAGE.

As a troll, why we abandon the chances to make fun.
I know the achievements of Japanese in civilian nuclear technology/industry except the jokes they made in Monju nuclear reactor or Fukushima nuclear power plant.
For Japan to develop nuclear weapons the political issue is the biggest obstacle. Bragging about it is purely redundant. If Japan develops nuclear weapons, the most anxious one is US that has nuked Japan twice and still controlled the politician circle in Tokyo, which can be seen in the prudence of US in technology transfer to Japan for the conventional weapons. US is never that generous as you said, the reason that US loosen slightly the dog chain on the neck of Japan is that they need Japan to counter the rise of China, which can also be one sign of the relative decline in strength of US in this region. The practice is just like what you Brits did when you departed from the middle east and India, but US obviously underestimate the understanding of Chinese to this phenomenon.
About the lifting of collective self-defense of Japan, that is just because the golden masters of LDP mostly need more money, to counter China? at least one Japan is far not enough(I don't know whether Japanese cognize this). One Japan is not enough to draw too much attention of China, the superficial hysteria of diplomats just is a good cover to strengthen our force, at least the ranges of the most missiles showed in 9.3 parade far surpass the distance between China and Japan.
The only ones that have nuked Japan are US and Japan itself, not us, and we have pledged that never use nuclear weapons to non-nuclear countries, if Japan developed that, the situation was different, we have the nuclear strength that is enough to sink the islands thousands of times and needn't too big throwing tools.
Japanese haven't introspected enough what it did in WWII and why it was nuked. Do you think US can take ease about it for Japan to develop nuclear weapons? Whether US thinks about once it declines like once Great Britain Empire.and it loses the control to Japan, the gunpoint of Japan will turn to US. At least most Japanese think its biggest source of misery is US.

 

[AndrewJin]

The only ones that have nuked Japan are US and Japan itself, not us

Well said.
It is their master and they themselves that nuked Japan.

 

[j20blackdragon]

The main problem facing Japan is that it doesn't have domestic uranium reserves.

It needs to import.

So if USA catches Japan secretly working on a nuclear weapons program, guess what will happen?

Imports of uranium will be cut off, meaning the civilian nuclear reactors generating energy will also have to shut down permanently.

So now Japan has to choose.

Do they want nuclear weapons more, or do they care about their power grid more?

Fossil fuels won't last forever. Sometimes you have to plan centuries ahead, and nuclear energy is the only long term solution if you want to maintain an industrialized society.

Also let me say it again.

The so-called 'plutonium' in Japan's spent fuel rods contain too much Pu-240 to be useful for nuclear weapons.

Pu-240 is not separated from Pu-239 via standard reprocessing methods.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Nuclear strikes isn't a candy that can just be thrown here and there, Yusheng. The implications are deep and far reaching, and bears with it immense overwhelming consequences. I dont think this thread is constructive for dialogue. I request we close this thread.

Just so there's no misunderstandings:

warhead production is detectable and so is silo digging.

if Japan is found guilty of these things there will almost certainly be a pre-emptive strike to prevent the completion of these items, as per violation of the nonproliferation treaty.

 

[opruh]

Japan is not capable of making nuclear weapons, they are going backward when it comes to technology thanks to their dying economy. In short, there's nothing to worry about.

 

[mike2000 is back]

As a troll, why we abandon the chances to make fun.
I know the achievements of Japanese in civilian nuclear technology/industry except the jokes they made in Monju nuclear reactor or Fukushima nuclear power plant.
For Japan to develop nuclear weapons the political issue is the biggest obstacle. Bragging about it is purely redundant. If Japan develops nuclear weapons, the most anxious one is US that has nuked Japan twice and still controlled the politician circle in Tokyo, which can be seen in the prudence of US in technology transfer to Japan for the conventional weapons. US is never that generous as you said, the reason that US loosen slightly the dog chain on the neck of Japan is that they need Japan to counter the rise of China, which can also be one sign of the relative decline in strength of US in this region. The practice is just like what you Brits did when you departed from the middle east and India, but US obviously underestimate the understanding of Chinese to this phenomenon.
About the lifting of collective self-defense of Japan, that is just because the golden masters of LDP mostly need more money, to counter China? at least one Japan is far not enough(I don't know whether Japanese cognize this). One Japan is not enough to draw too much attention of China, the superficial hysteria of diplomats just is a good cover to strengthen our force, at least the ranges of the most missiles showed in 9.3 parade far surpass the distance between China and Japan.
The only ones that have nuked Japan are US and Japan itself, not us, and we have pledged that never use nuclear weapons to non-nuclear countries, if Japan developed that, the situation was different, we have the nuclear strength that is enough to sink the islands thousands of times and needn't too big throwing tools.
Japanese haven't introspected enough what it did in WWII and why it was nuked. Do you think US can take ease about it for Japan to develop nuclear weapons? Whether US thinks about once it declines like once Great Britain Empire.and it loses the control to Japan, the gunpoint of Japan will turn to US. At least most Japanese think its biggest source of misery is US.

Again you make some good points, but most of them get lost/drowned into emotional anti Japanese sentiments/wordings, which makes the good points to lose their validity.

For one, you did recognize the basic fact that Technology has never been a problem for Japan to develop almost any equipment much less nuclear ones. Yes politics has always been the main issue. secondly, you are wrong, even if Japan was to ever develop Nuclear weapons(and mind you it will be with U.S consent/knowledge if that was to ever happen), China will be the one who will be farrrrrrrrrrr more worried, most countries in the world wouldn't give a shit except maybe Korea (lol), not the U.S for obvious reasons, since you are not just the closest country to Japan, but you have far more hatred/rivalry/historical disputes against Japan than the U.S does. In fact i'm even surprised you can say its the U.S who will be more worried than China, really? or maybe you are just trolling as you said earlier.lol

In fact its even more reason as i said earlier on here that you Chinese should be happy the U.S is and will remain present in the region as the leading military power in Asia, since it's the U.S has been maintaining peace and stability in Asia for over half a century now enabling other countries(China included) to grow/prosper. So the U.S is a force for stability in the region, even the most anti U.S countries in the region recognize this(your own leaders included). Sine without the U.S there will be a power vacuum in Asia, and we all know what happens when there is a power vacuum coupled with deep hatred/resentment/nationalism between countries, its a recipe for miscalculation and disaster. So even if the U.S was to vacate Asia as most of you Chinese wish, then it will be even more reason for Japan to quickly develop its own nuclear bomb for deterrence(and they will do just that). So as you can see its serves China's interests for the U.S to maintain its military hegemony in Asia.

As for your point about China sinking Japan with Nuclear weapons in case there was to be a change in Asia current situation, that again is another Vietnamese type silly talk which everybody knows wont ever happen. Well i guess in PDF everybody comes here to vent his anger and wishful thinking(even though they know its bullshit talk. lol). Any country using nuclear weapons against another in today's modern world is a fallacy that will never happen. Not even the U.S/U.K/France and Russia who are the most war like powers/leaders in the world have ever done that, and GOD all three have fought several wars/conflicts since the second world war. lol Its because any country using nukes on another(doesn't matter the reasons) will be an end for that country itself. So i wont even waste time discussing this one,since its useless talk.

I know many Chinese nationalists really wish they can have a rematch with Japan for invading and humiliating China during the second world world war, just like the Indians sometimes wish they can have a rematch with China for defeating/humiliating them during the 1962 war. Unfortunately for both countries they will almost never have that rematch, since in today's modern world its almost impossible for major powers to fight a full scale war between each other. Not even NATO have fought with Russia despite the many provocations/aggression the two powers have been engage in(even though many other members from the middle east wish it was otherwise.lol). So i know you people as well really wish it was otherwise, but reality is, its not. So its better for both China and Japan to come into an agreement/understanding and make peace. For that to happen, both sides have to first recognize/face reality, i.e China/CCP has to learn from MAO himself and to stop using Japanese invasion/atrocities(ignoring Russia's own actions/crimes in China for obvious reasons) for political benefits/reasons, Japan has to stop backtracking on its past apologies and making provocative statements that hurt Chinese feelings and remove/relocate those few war criminals from Yasukini shrine to another location, since it tarnishes the very image of those normal Japanese who fought and die for the motherland who have nothing to do with those few war criminals buried there. Only by doing this will both countries come be real partners and peace/understand will reign in Asia, since Japan and China are Asia's two leading powers.

huh.....ok i know that's all wishful thinking. wont happen, geo-political realities are always different from imagination.

Japan is not capable of making nuclear weapons, they are going backward when it comes to technology thanks to their dying economy. In short, there's nothing to worry about.

True bro. I don't know why Chinese leaders/authorities are worried. Japan is actually a very backward third world country. No need to worry. Hopefully you can be an adviser to your leaders in China, YOU WILL DO A FAR BETTER JOB.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

Again you make some good points, but most of them get lost/drowned into emotional anti Japanese sentiments/wordings, which makes the good points to lose their validity.

For one, you did recognize the basic fact that Technology has never been a problem for Japan to develop almost any equipment much less nuclear ones. Yes politics has always been the main issue. secondly, you are wrong, even if Japan was to ever develop Nuclear weapons(and mind you it will be with U.S consent/knowledge if that was to ever happen), China will be the one who will be farrrrrrrrrrr more worried, most countries in the world wouldn't give a shit except maybe Korea (lol), not the U.S for obvious reasons, since you are not just the closest country to Japan, but you have far more hatred/rivalry/historical disputes against Japan than the U.S does. In fact i'm even surprised you can say its the U.S who will be more worried than China, really? or maybe you are just trolling as you said earlier.lol

In fact its even more reason as i said earlier on here that you Chinese should be happy the U.S is and will remain present in the region as the leading military power in Asia, since it's the U.S has been maintaining peace and stability in Asia for over half a century now enabling other countries(China included) to grow/prosper. So the U.S is a force for stability in the region, even the most anti U.S countries in the region recognize this(your own leaders included). Sine without the U.S there will be a power vacuum in Asia, and we all know what happens when there is a power vacuum coupled with deep hatred/resentment/nationalism between countries, its a recipe for miscalculation and disaster. So even if the U.S was to vacate Asia as most of you Chinese wish, then it will be even more reason for Japan to quickly develop its own nuclear bomb for deterrence(and they will do just that). So as you can see its serves China's interests for the U.S to maintain its military hegemony in Asia.

As for your point about China sinking Japan with Nuclear weapons in case there was to be a change in Asia current situation, that again is another Vietnamese type silly talk which everybody knows wont ever happen. Well i guess in PDF everybody comes here to vent his anger and wishful thinking(even though they know its bullshit talk. lol). Any country using nuclear weapons against another in today's modern world is a fallacy that will never happen. Not even the U.S/U.K/France and Russia who are the most war like powers/leaders in the world have ever done that, and GOD all three have fought several wars/conflicts since the second world war. lol Its because any country using nukes on another(doesn't matter the reasons) will be an end for that country itself. So i wont even waste time discussing this one,since its useless talk.

I know many Chinese nationalists really wish they can have a rematch with Japan for invading and humiliating China during the second world world war, just like the Indians sometimes wish they can have a rematch with China for defeating/humiliating them during the 1962 war. Unfortunately for both countries they will almost never have that rematch, since in today's modern world its almost impossible for major powers to fight a full scale war between each other. Not even NATO have fought with Russia despite the many provocations/aggression the two powers have been engage in(even though many other members from the middle east wish it was otherwise.lol). So i know you people as well really wish it was otherwise, but reality is, its not. So its better for both China and Japan to come into an agreement/understanding and make peace. For that to happen, both sides have to first recognize/face reality, i.e China/CCP has to learn from MAO himself and to stop using Japanese invasion/atrocities(ignoring Russia's own actions/crimes in China for obvious reasons) for political benefits/reasons, Japan has to stop backtracking on its past apologies and making provocative statements that hurt Chinese feelings and remove/relocate those few war criminals from Yasukini shrine to another location, since it tarnishes the very image of those normal Japanese who fought and die for the motherland who have nothing to do with those few war criminals buried there. Only by doing this will both countries come be real partners and peace/understand will reign in Asia, since Japan and China are Asia's two leading powers.

huh.....ok i know that's all wishful thinking. wont happen, geo-political realities are always different from imagination.



True bro. I don't know why Chinese leaders/authorities are worried. Japan is actually a very backward third world country. No need to worry. Hopefully you can be an adviser to your leaders in China, YOU WILL DO A FAR BETTER JOB.

You miss one point: to sink the island country, we needn't use nuclear weapons, conventional weapons are quite enough. However if Japan wanted to become a nuclear country, the situation was different.
US was never that generous to Japan as you said, at least Japanese wouldn't get the pretty feeling by eating two atom bombs.

 

[mike2000 is back]

You miss one point: to sink the island country, we needn't use nuclear weapons, conventional weapons are quite enough. However if Japan wanted to become a nuclear country, the situation was different.
US was never that generous to Japan as you said, at least Japanese wouldn't get the pretty feeling by eating two atom bombs.

lol i get it. you are just trolling.

 

[j20blackdragon]

Another major problem for Japan is their inability to maintain a credible second strike capability. Japan has far too little land area and no strategic depth to properly protect land-based ICBMs from a first strike. Any nuclear weapons they place on land can be preemptively struck with conventional precision weapons. Japan would be stuck in a 'use it or lose it' situation. A situation where you are 'screwed' either way.

Japan could rectify this situation somewhat by building a SSBN. But I'm guessing that would be one of those weapons the USA won't let them have.

 

[XiaoYaoZi]

lol i get it. you are just trolling.