What's new

Tokyo Gas pushes for 13.3b Japan-Russia pipeline

Aepsilons

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
May 29, 2014
Messages
24,960
Reaction score
118
Country
Japan
Location
United States
Tokyo Gas, the largest natural gas utility provider in Japan, is pushing for the construction of a Japan-Russia gas pipeline to cope with rising liquefied natural gas (LNG) demand, said a key official yesterday.

Feasibility studies were completed and sent to the Japanese government last year but it faced a roadblock due to sanctions on Russia over the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Shigeru Muraki, executive advisor to Tokyo Gas, says a pipeline needs to be constructed as a precursor to a pipeline network that would reportedly meet as much as 13% of Japan’s LNG needs.

Currently, Malaysia is one of the top suppliers of LNG to Japan.

“Building a pipeline from Russia to Japan would make it easier to build such a network,” he said.

He estimates the pipeline will run 1,500km from Sakhalin Island, Russia to Tokyo, and supply six million tonnes of LNG per year and cost around US$3.7 billion (RM13.32 billion).

“The pricing of US$600 per tonne of LNG is very competitive as it includes shipping costs,” he said.

Malaysia is the third largest supplier of LNG to Japan, the world’s biggest importer of LNG. It supplies 17% of Japan’s LNG, surpassed only by Qatar with 18% and Australia with 21%.

A pipeline deal would almost triple Russia’s current market share of 10% to 27% and eat away from the shares of other exporting nations, including Malaysia.

Shigeru also suggested the pipeline would come in handy should methane hydrate, slated as a next generation fuel source, become ready for domestic use in the next few decades.

Japan has an estimated supply of methane hydrate within its coastal waters to meet its natural gas requirements for a hundred years.

“Why has the US achieved so much success with shale gas?

“Because of their pipeline network,” he said.

Russia and China ratified a gas supply agreement last May that will see Gazprom provide China with 38 billion cu m of natural gas every year for 30 years, from 2018 onwards.

The Kremlin view pipeline projects with China, Japan and Korea as a means to wean Russia from dependence on exports to Europe.

Speaking to delegates at the 18th Asia Oil and Gas Conference here, Shigeru said demand for gas in Japan for energy purposes is slated to increase in tandem with concerns over the safety of nuclear power and high emissions from coal energy production.

While the cost of generating energy from coal may be cheaper than from LNG, increasing pressure on high carbon emissions will prevent expansion in that segment.

Tokyo Gas pushes for RM13.3b Japan-Russia pipeline | The Malaysian Reserve


@LordTyrannus @vostok @senheiser
 
.
7-Japan-Step-2.jpg
 
.
Tokyo Gas, the largest natural gas utility provider in Japan, is pushing for the construction of a Japan-Russia gas pipeline to cope with rising liquefied natural gas (LNG) demand, said a key official yesterday.

Feasibility studies were completed and sent to the Japanese government last year but it faced a roadblock due to sanctions on Russia over the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Shigeru Muraki, executive advisor to Tokyo Gas, says a pipeline needs to be constructed as a precursor to a pipeline network that would reportedly meet as much as 13% of Japan’s LNG needs.

Currently, Malaysia is one of the top suppliers of LNG to Japan.

“Building a pipeline from Russia to Japan would make it easier to build such a network,” he said.

He estimates the pipeline will run 1,500km from Sakhalin Island, Russia to Tokyo, and supply six million tonnes of LNG per year and cost around US$3.7 billion (RM13.32 billion).

“The pricing of US$600 per tonne of LNG is very competitive as it includes shipping costs,” he said.

Malaysia is the third largest supplier of LNG to Japan, the world’s biggest importer of LNG. It supplies 17% of Japan’s LNG, surpassed only by Qatar with 18% and Australia with 21%.

A pipeline deal would almost triple Russia’s current market share of 10% to 27% and eat away from the shares of other exporting nations, including Malaysia.

Shigeru also suggested the pipeline would come in handy should methane hydrate, slated as a next generation fuel source, become ready for domestic use in the next few decades.

Japan has an estimated supply of methane hydrate within its coastal waters to meet its natural gas requirements for a hundred years.

“Why has the US achieved so much success with shale gas?

“Because of their pipeline network,” he said.

Russia and China ratified a gas supply agreement last May that will see Gazprom provide China with 38 billion cu m of natural gas every year for 30 years, from 2018 onwards.

The Kremlin view pipeline projects with China, Japan and Korea as a means to wean Russia from dependence on exports to Europe.

Speaking to delegates at the 18th Asia Oil and Gas Conference here, Shigeru said demand for gas in Japan for energy purposes is slated to increase in tandem with concerns over the safety of nuclear power and high emissions from coal energy production.

While the cost of generating energy from coal may be cheaper than from LNG, increasing pressure on high carbon emissions will prevent expansion in that segment.

Tokyo Gas pushes for RM13.3b Japan-Russia pipeline | The Malaysian Reserve


@LordTyrannus @vostok @senheiser
It would be nice if Japan be able to defend its position against the will of "exceptional nation."
 
.
This is actually great. The less insecure Japan feels about its energy supply the less likely they see SCS as a choke point

China wants to keep India and Japan out of SCS as troublemakers,then we will do some unspeakable stuff to some countries hohoho
 
.
It does not matter what Tokyo Gas wants.But it does matter what USA wants.USA has showed again and again what they think about countries dealing with Russia especially in the sphere of oil and gas.Fate of Syria and Ukraine, " democratic protests" in Turkey,Hungary,Macedonia,blackmail of Greece - good example to what extent USA is going to prevent such dealings.
It would be nice if Japan be able to defend its position against the will of "exceptional nation."
Not gonna happen unless Abe and rest of the gang suddenly decide to switch sides.Allowing such deal will automatically mean more influence for Russia,more influence for those in Japan wiling to have a better ties with Russia - it is big NO for USA.
 
.
This is actually great. The less insecure Japan feels about its energy supply the less likely they see SCS as a choke point

China wants to keep India and Japan out of SCS as troublemakers,then we will do some unspeakable stuff to some countries hohoho
Re: SCS as a choke point.

Beijing’s South China Sea expansion: The salami slices back! | Asia Times

Regrettably, however, I must point out that the statement “freedom of navigation in the South China Sea is crucial to world trade” is complete and utter bullsh*t.
(With one important exception that we’ll come to later.)

An afternoon profitably spent with an atlas and the Google are enough to inform the curious that … wait for it … it’s a big ocean out there.

Specifically, it’s an ocean that offers ample alternatives to America’s treaty partners and would-be allies a.k.a. Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, and Vietnam to do their vital shipping business without going through the South China Sea.​

Today, they use the South China Sea because the shortest and cheapest way from the Middle East to the energy-hungry maritime states of East Asia is via the Strait of Malacca and the South China Sea.

But it’s not the only way.

There are alternate routes to Japan, Korea, and the Philippines via the Lombok and Sunda Straits in the Indonesian archipelago, and up through the Celebes and Sulu Sea.

Don’t take my word for it. Ask Japan, which has obsessively investigated “energy security” since the OPEC oil shock of the 1970s and has gamed the economics of non-Malacca/non-SCS routes to a fare-thee-well. Bottom line: to avoid Malacca/SCS completely by switching to the Lombok route, shipping costs to Japan go up maybe 13.5% over the Malacca route. In other words, less than half a penny a barrel (see page 65).

Back of the envelope, increase in Japan’s oil import bill of maybe $150 million. Maybe $200 million?

For comparison, value of Japan’s crude oil imports from GCC in 2014: $100 billion. Japan’s 2014 defense budget: $42 billion.

Incremental cost of securing Japan’s energy imports from the PRC threat in the South China Sea: A rounding error.

Pretty much same order of magnitude for South Korea.

Added costs for Philippines to access its ports at Manila, Subic Bay, the Batangas terminal: Basically zip. The Lombok route run right through the Philippine archipelago.

As for Vietnam, it’s a net oil exporter. In any case, its vital ports lie outside the dreaded “cow tongue” and are accessible without traversing the South China Sea.

And the alternate routes are not only proven. They’re currently in use and have higher capacities than the Malacca Strait.

The behemoth ore carriers plying the routes from Australia to South Korea and Japan transit through Sunda and Lombok by default and as a matter of necessity. Their drafts are too great to safely transit the Malacca Strait with its 25 meter restriction. And there are a number of “postMalaccamax” ultralarge crude carriers that couldn’t transit Malacca even if they wanted to.

There is of course, one nation that is desperately reliant on freedom of navigation in the South China Sea to ensure its energy and economic security.​

That country, if you haven’t guessed already, is the People’s Republic of China.​
 
.
How is the geographical stability in that area? The entire problem of Japan's energy crisis comes from the fact it sits on the pacific volcano and earthquake belt, which made nuclear power station problematic. A pipeline would have similar problems.
 
.
Tokyo Gas, the largest natural gas utility provider in Japan, is pushing for the construction of a Japan-Russia gas pipeline to cope with rising liquefied natural gas (LNG) demand, said a key official yesterday.

Feasibility studies were completed and sent to the Japanese government last year but it faced a roadblock due to sanctions on Russia over the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

Shigeru Muraki, executive advisor to Tokyo Gas, says a pipeline needs to be constructed as a precursor to a pipeline network that would reportedly meet as much as 13% of Japan’s LNG needs.

Currently, Malaysia is one of the top suppliers of LNG to Japan.

“Building a pipeline from Russia to Japan would make it easier to build such a network,” he said.

He estimates the pipeline will run 1,500km from Sakhalin Island, Russia to Tokyo, and supply six million tonnes of LNG per year and cost around US$3.7 billion (RM13.32 billion).

“The pricing of US$600 per tonne of LNG is very competitive as it includes shipping costs,” he said.

Malaysia is the third largest supplier of LNG to Japan, the world’s biggest importer of LNG. It supplies 17% of Japan’s LNG, surpassed only by Qatar with 18% and Australia with 21%.

A pipeline deal would almost triple Russia’s current market share of 10% to 27% and eat away from the shares of other exporting nations, including Malaysia.

Shigeru also suggested the pipeline would come in handy should methane hydrate, slated as a next generation fuel source, become ready for domestic use in the next few decades.

Japan has an estimated supply of methane hydrate within its coastal waters to meet its natural gas requirements for a hundred years.

“Why has the US achieved so much success with shale gas?

“Because of their pipeline network,” he said.

Russia and China ratified a gas supply agreement last May that will see Gazprom provide China with 38 billion cu m of natural gas every year for 30 years, from 2018 onwards.

The Kremlin view pipeline projects with China, Japan and Korea as a means to wean Russia from dependence on exports to Europe.

Speaking to delegates at the 18th Asia Oil and Gas Conference here, Shigeru said demand for gas in Japan for energy purposes is slated to increase in tandem with concerns over the safety of nuclear power and high emissions from coal energy production.

While the cost of generating energy from coal may be cheaper than from LNG, increasing pressure on high carbon emissions will prevent expansion in that segment.

Tokyo Gas pushes for RM13.3b Japan-Russia pipeline | The Malaysian Reserve


@LordTyrannus @vostok @senheiser

How likely is this in your opinion? Its clearly in the interest of Japan to go ahead with this, but I also see big US opposition.
 
.
It would be nice if Japan be able to defend its position against the will of "exceptional nation."

What I admire is that despite the geopolitics, Russian and Japanese Entente continues to progress and with confidence at that. Direct and indirect channels for intergovernmentalism are there.



How is the geographical stability in that area? The entire problem of Japan's energy crisis comes from the fact it sits on the pacific volcano and earthquake belt, which made nuclear power station problematic. A pipeline would have similar problems.

I think the move towards renewable energy is picking up steam , with nuclear and fossil fuel remaining in pertinence until renewable sources are developed in capacity that it should provide over 100% of Japan's needs.

How likely is this in your opinion? Its clearly in the interest of Japan to go ahead with this, but I also see big US opposition.


I think it's been on the works and would be realized , after all Japan already relies on Russia for $20 Billion with in LNG, Petro. Building a pipeline from Sakhalin to Northern Hokkaido shouldn't be that much. In fact it's economically feasible.

Politics should stay away from this immediate need.
 
.
What I admire is that despite the geopolitics, Russian and Japanese Entente continues to progress and with confidence at that. Direct and indirect channels for intergovernmentalism are there..

I think Japan and Russia are natural partners and if the islands issue as well as US opposition to further gas / oil transactions get out of the way, I think things can develop quite nicely and furthermore, having a lot of trade with Japan plus Japan becoming a much bigger outlet for Russian gas / oil plus Japanese investment in Russia would significantly reduce Russian dependence on China (and weakening the the facto Russia - China alliance) and that would be a very good thing for the west.
 
. .
I think the move towards renewable energy is picking up steam , with nuclear and fossil fuel remaining in pertinence until renewable sources are developed in capacity that it should provide over 100% of Japan's needs.

Erm, renewable providing 100% of your need is actually a problem. Wind and solar energy is a huge strain on grid stability. In fact, under current storage technology, you always need a large amount of nuclear/fire generation to absorb the wild swings from wind and solar. Not to mention one of the basic design requirement of a stable grid is that your "always there" generation must have sufficient capacity to fill the minimum need of your nation. This means your nuclear/fire station must have enough install capacity to support the entire nation if solar and wind are both inoperable. (which is actually quite common since solar is inoperable in night. You just need a few hours of windless night)

Typically solution to these problems are as following:

1. For large countries like China and US, the sheer geographical diversity means that where almost always have wind. By build a large national interconnected grid, wind power from one corner of the nation can be diverted to another. The European nations also have shared grid among them which works similar to the national grid of China and US. The problem is that Japan is rather far off to the ocean and the geographic stability problem I mentioned early applies to any trans-ocean grid as well. Not to mention politically, the EU members are a lot closer than China, Korea and Japan.

2. Build nuclear. Nuclear stations provide a lot of electricity at rather low fuel cost. To be honest, assuming people following the proper safe procedure it is pretty safe as well. Fukushima is a textbook case of letting greed got into the way of safety.

3. Build fire stations. Fire stations has quite a few drawbacks. High fuel cost, high pollution, but otherwise it is likely the most suitable one for Japan's need.

Unless mass storage technology for electric drastically improve, I wouldn't count renewable energy to supply a nation's energy needs.
 
.
Is this the same project mentioned in OP? Personally, I would rather see Japan get closer to Russia while putting some strategic space with the US.

***

Russian Gazprom is not considering the possibility of delivering pipeline gas to Japan while pipeline gas supplies from the Far East are targeted at China, the company’s CEO Alexey Miller said when answering the question whether the proposal by Tokyo Gas to come back to negotiations on Russia’s pipeline to Japan is topical. Read more:

TASS: Economy - Russian Gazprom not considering pipeline gas supplies to Japan — CEO



Russian Gazprom not considering pipeline gas supplies to Japan — CEO

TASS.RU
 
.
This is actually great. The less insecure Japan feels about its energy supply the less likely they see SCS as a choke point

China wants to keep India and Japan out of SCS as troublemakers,then we will do some unspeakable stuff to some countries hohoho

You forgot to add Muhaha in the end & if I were you I would concentrate more on US rather than India
 
.
You forgot to add Muhaha in the end & if I were you I would concentrate more on US rather than India
I worry about NONE of them,the US to the least. Though Vietnam has a fantasy of these countries backing them in a war,bursting their bubbles should be our concentration
 
.
Back
Top Bottom