To whom does the term 'Aryan' belong?

[Srinivas]

It is NOT about the language group. Its about the difference between Vedic Aryans and Dravidians.
and Vedic aryans were NOT hindus. Its another matter that some of their tribe/s came to South mingled with Dravidians and were dominated by Dravidian religion hinduism.

Otherwise vedic aryans were Beef eaters and they had different gods than dravidians and they also dint practice idolworshipping

Dude Vedic Aryans used to worship Indra, Rudra etc...etc ...

They are nature worshippers, the used to do some rituals with Horse.

As I said The GOD Shiva we see now is a an amalagamation of Vedic GOD Rudra and Southern GOD Bhyrava. They both have similarities.

Similarly the whole concept of Hinduism is an amalgamation of various concepts from both Indo-Aryan Language speaking people and Dravidian Language people.

 

[Dubious]

Gave you a link once. You even commented on it. Go back & look, must be there somewhere.

@Bang Galore yea I know, even remember it yielded nothing look at the new 1 i found

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/full/nature08365.html Nature in 2009 by an Indian....

 

[Srinivas]

Never mind found his publication



Now, all this study shows is that Indian Population is made of 2 groups....ANI and ASI...the study says they are mixed yet later on says ASI is almost not found...ANI on the other hand is in upper cast...

So, basically the focus was on 2 parts of India, not even the whole India..

I just browsed through the whole article




Hence, this article just proves Pakistanis are not same as Indians...

Completely wrong, The ASI gene came to India 60000 years ago and ANI came to India 40000 years ago after that the genes got mixed up.

There is no clear distinction between the two races.

 

[Spring Onion]

I eat beef and every alternate year I go to Mata Vaishno Devi in Jammu, though I am not religious but I still enjoy the culture. Does'nt mean I am not a Hindu. Hinduism is not a rigid religion

well going against the norm and faith is one thing BUT Rigveda describing eating of beef/cow sacrifice and worshiping god in non idol form is quiet another.

 

[Hack-Hook]

The new theories are floated by Indians mostly.

And the trait which you had mentioned (the bold part in your comment), is one of the evidences that they migrated to this part , since the locals or dravidians for that matter only used elephants not horses



Different in a sense that Rigvedic Aryans worshipped different gods different than hindu or dravidian gods, eat beaf and sacrifice cow.

Well to be honest I doubt indian have tamed elphant around 3-4 thousands years ago. And also it's possible they abandon using horses and favored elphant just because elphant was more suitable for the place they resided .

But I'm not expert in this and any sort of archeology will be hard to make concludion for nonexperts

 

[Dubious]

Completely wrong, The ASI gene came to India 60000 years ago and ANI came to India 40000 years ago after that the genes got mixed up.

There is no clear distinction between the two races.

@Srinivas read the research paper written by your own people...I do not listen to unqualified people!

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/extref/nature08365-s1.pdf

 

[Fuego]

what was the definition of NOBEL?





Cast system in itself is an insult

It's NOBLE if you're referring to a typo.

 

[Koovie]

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but there arent human races anymore since the other species of homo became extinct.

 

[LaBong]

Never mind found his publication



Now, all this study shows is that Indian Population is made of 2 groups....ANI and ASI...the study says they are mixed yet later on says ASI is almost not found...ANI on the other hand is in upper cast...

So, basically the focus was on 2 parts of India, not even the whole India..

I just browsed through the whole article




Hence, this article just proves Pakistanis are not same as Indians...

If this whole exercise is to proof that pakistanis are different from Indian, please get off your high horses, nobody is going head over heel for coveted similarities with pakistanis.

 

[Srinivas]

@Srinivas read the research paper written by your own people...I do not listen to unqualified people!

The logic is plain and simple, these genes and races arrived and got mixed up in the due course of thousands of years. Now these guys eat the same food they also get same type of diseases.

Nothing to differentiate.

Their skin colors also changed and their faces are also changed and you see some mixed features all over the country.

 

[Dubious]

The logic is plain and simple, these genes and races arrived and got mixed up in the due course of thousands of years. Now these guys eat the same food they also get same type of diseases.

Nothing to differentiate.

Their skin colors also changed and their faces are also changed and you see some mixed features all over the country.

@Srinivas I do not know about you, but I can tell a Punjabi, Pathan and Kashmiri from far away!
@Srinivas I am seriously surprised with you rejecting SCIENTIFIC PROOF!

Just coz someone eats the same food as you doesnt make that person an Indian or anything else or what not?!

 

[Spring Onion]

Dude Vedic Aryans used to worship Indra, Rudra etc...etc ...

They are nature worshippers, the used to do some rituals with Horse.

As I said The GOD Shiva we see now is a an amalagamation of Vedic GOD Rudra and Southern GOD Bhyrava. They both have similarities.

Similarly the whole concept of Hinduism is an amalgamation of various concepts from both Indo-Aryan Language speaking people and Dravidian Language people.

and varuna and mitra .

indeed those who went southward they were consumed by dravidian gods and practices.

the rigveda did NOT mention ram, krishna, vishnu, brahma, ect etc.

Also the vedic aryans were not idolworshiping

 

[dabong1]

The only "pure race" are the aborigines or some hidden tribe..... everything is a mix and a remix.

 

[Dubious]

Sorry to burst your bubbles, but there arent human races anymore since the other species of homo became extinct.

@Koovie Nice try but what you are talking about is that all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.

We are talking about "Race" which

is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation.

 

[Spring Onion]

If this whole exercise is to proof that pakistanis are different from Indian, please get off your high horses, nobody is going head over heel for coveted similarities with pakistanis.

This whole excercise by Indians on Aryan race is to proof that Indian Hindus are aryan and NOT dravidians.

If one ask you if you are aryans then why you do NOT eat Cow meat? why do you have idols whereas vedic Aryans were not idolworshipers.

why Indians are having this aryan complex by the way ? are you NOT proud of your dravidian heritage?