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To Many Chinese, America Was Like ‘Heaven.’ Now They’re Not So Sure.

A Starbucks in Beijing. There has long been admiration for the United States in China, but its problems have also come into clearer view.CreditBryan Denton for The New York Times
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A Starbucks in Beijing. There has long been admiration for the United States in China, but its problems have also come into clearer view.CreditCreditBryan Denton for The New York Times
By Amy Qin

May 18, 2019

BEIJING — Qi Haohan describes with pride the times he has leaped and pirouetted with American dancers across stages in China, and he counts as a major influence Daniil Simkin, a principal dancer with the American Ballet Theater.

Ask him about China’s trade war with the United States, however, and Mr. Qi’s admiration for America evaporates.

“Fight, fight, fight!” the 25-year-old wrote on social media, urging his country to stand strong after trade talks with the United States broke down.

“America’s decision to increase tariffs will only bring about its own destruction,” Mr. Qi, a dancer with the National Ballet of China, said in an interview. “China is totally ready to respond.”

the bruising trade war.

Divided popular opinion — and ambivalence about America, even among some of its most ardent fans (and critics) — makes it difficult for Beijing to come down too hard on the United States. But if it does too little, the party risks looking weak.

Chinese people have long looked to America as a source of inspiration, with its gleaming skyscrapers, financial power and unparalleled military might. But they also increasingly see it as a strategic rival — a view partly fueled by pride in China’s rise, and by the party’s propaganda organs, which have long depicted America as a hostile, imperialist country that has tried to keep China down.

“China now has the No. 2 mentality,” said Yun Sun, a China analyst at the Washington-based Stimson Center. “It’s only natural for No. 2 to want to surpass No. 1.”

Even in China’s authoritarian political system, public opinion must be carefully managed. If leaders push an anti-American message too far, they run the risk of nationalist sentiment spiraling out of control. That would limit their options in talks with Washington by forcing them to adopt a tough posture.

Though China has ways to prop up its economy, there are deep-seated concerns that it is not ready for a prolonged standoff, which could exact a heavy toll on people’s livelihoods. That could ultimately backfire on the party, which has staked its legitimacy on generating continuous economic growth.


American culture is so deeply embedded in China that experts say a boycott would be impossible.CreditAndy Wong/Associated Press
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American culture is so deeply embedded in China that experts say a boycott would be impossible.CreditAndy Wong/Associated Press
On the other hand, if Chinese leaders act too cautiously, they could look inept to a domestic populace that has, in recent years, become more self-assured about China’s status as a rising power.

What was once starry-eyed enthusiasm for America among many Chinese has given way to sober admiration, if not outright disillusionment, as people have gotten to know the United States better and its problems have come into clearer view.

According to the latest nationwide survey by the Pew Research Center, published in 2016, 45 percent of Chinese saw American power and influence as a major threat to their country, up from 39 percent in 2013. More than half of Chinese believed the United States was trying to prevent China from becoming as powerful as America, the survey found.

That trend may well have accelerated over the past year, which has seen the world’s two largest economies go head-to-head in a protracted trade war and a dispute over Huawei, the Chinese telecommunications giant. The United States has also tightened restrictions on visas for Chinese students and visiting scholars, measures it says are aimed at curbing intellectual property theft and spying.

Such developments have reinforced the Chinese perception that the United States is deliberately thwarting their country’s rightful rise — leaving China with no choice but to fight back.

“We are not scared. China has money,” said Amanda Lin, 36, as she sipped an Americano at a Starbucks in Beijing. She said the Chinese manufacturing company she works for had been badly hit by the latest round of tariffs. “Perhaps we have to sacrifice a little in the short term, but if we don’t fight, then we will suffer more in the longer term,” she said.

Skepticism about American intentions taps into China’s collective memory of the 19th century, when Western powers forcibly opened Chinese ports and carved up the country into spheres of influence. Nowadays, China is a fast-modernizing nation, home to a booming middle class and cutting-edge infrastructure.

But many Chinese still remember their outrage when the United States accidentally bombed China’s embassy in Belgrade in 1999, during the war in the former Yugoslavia. The bombing, which killed three Chinese people, prompted days of violent protests. Two years later, tensions flared again when China detained a United States Navy flight crew after a Chinese fighter and an American spy plane collided in midair.

China has ratcheted up anti-American propaganda in recent weeks, but its campaign has been comparatively restrained. Still, the authorities, ever wary of unrest that could be turned against the government, are taking few risks.

Chen Chun, a liberal political columnist in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou, said he was recently pulled in for a meeting with local security officials who urged him to take a more moderate tone in his writings.

“They said that Chinese people are easily instigated and that emotions can get really complicated,” Mr. Chen said.


An Apple store in Beijing. “We are not scared,” one woman in the capital said of the trade war. “China has money.”CreditGilles Sabrié for The New York Times
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An Apple store in Beijing. “We are not scared,” one woman in the capital said of the trade war. “China has money.”CreditGilles Sabrié for The New York Times
“On one hand, the authorities want to use nationalism to legitimize their regime,” he added. “But if the nationalists spin out of control, it can also affect their power and the system’s stability.”

The party may also be reluctant to play up China’s rivalry with America, knowing that affection here for the United States — whose Chinese name means “beautiful country” — still runs deep.

American culture is so deeply embedded in China, experts say, that it would be impossible to boycott the country’s products, as China has done with goods from Japan and South Korea when tensions with those countries ran high. Many Chinese love their iPhones and lobsters imported from Boston, and are fans of American television hits like “House of Cards” and “Modern Family.”

The affinity extends beyond products. Many Chinese still admire America for its education system, strong rule of law and soft-power dominance. Some continue to draw inspiration from the idea of the American dream.

“The American dream means working hard and achieving your goals one step at a time,” said Kobe Liu Zhe, 29, a Kobe Bryant superfan in the northeastern city of Harbin who recently made headlines in America after he unknowingly bought the National Basketball Association star’s stolen high school jersey. (He later returned it.) “Kobe Bryant represents that dream.”

And yet, while the United States remains one of the top destinations for Chinese tourists, business travelers and students, the growth in that traffic is slowing. The increase in the number of Chinese visitors to the United States fell sharply from 16 percent in 2016 to only 4 percent in 2017, according to the United States Commerce Department.

The slowdown has been even more apparent in education. The increase in the number of Chinese students going to America has slowed from a high of nearly 30 percent in 2010 to just 3.6 percent last year, according to the Institute of International Education.

The decline, experts say, partly reflects a growing belief that America’s star is losing its luster.

“Thirty years ago, a lot of people thought that going to the United States was like going to heaven,” said Liu Peng, an education consultant in the eastern city of Qingdao. “But now people think the United States is falling behind while China is growing.”

Even if a trade deal is reached soon, experts say party leaders are bracing for a prolonged period of competition with America. Preparing public opinion for that future, some say, will require adjusting to the younger generation’s increasing cultural confidence.

“The older generation of Chinese both respect and fear the United States, we were brought up to think America was superior and we were the underdog,” said Wang Xiaodong, a nationalist writer. “But the perspective of young Chinese is different. They don’t respect you. Nor are they afraid of you.”


Zoe Mou contributed research.

Follow Amy Qin on Twitter: @amyyqin.
 
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The US expected China to be SPINELESS like the Indians, too COWARDLY to retaliate against bullying by the US.
I expect Bangladesh to be just as SPINELESS like the Indians since they like to talk BIG like them.
Hard times coming, for everybody.

One year already and still waiting for COWARDLY India to act.
Cut the pretense and bent down and offer their butts.
https://www.rt.com/business/459365-india-retaliatory-us-trade-tariffs/
India again extends retaliatory tariff deadline on US products
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The US expected China to be SPINELESS like the Indians, too COWARDLY to retaliate against bullying by the US.
I expect Bangladesh to be just as SPINELESS like the Indians since they like to talk BIG like them.
Hard times coming, for everybody.

One year already and still waiting for COWARDLY India to act.
Cut the pretense and bent down and offer their butts.
https://www.rt.com/business/459365-india-retaliatory-us-trade-tariffs/
India again extends retaliatory tariff deadline on US products
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Indians have no balls. Look at doklam
 
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To Many Chinese, America Was Like ‘Heaven.’ Now They’re Not So Sure.

A Starbucks in Beijing. There has long been admiration for the United States in China, but its problems have also come into clearer view.CreditBryan Denton for The New York Times
merlin_124352552_7a10c1f6-4f5b-4319-9746-1ba3f5997dcc-articleLarge.jpg

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A Starbucks in Beijing. There has long been admiration for the United States in China, but its problems have also come into clearer view.CreditCreditBryan Denton for The New York Times
By Amy Qin

May 18, 2019

BEIJING — Qi Haohan describes with pride the times he has leaped and pirouetted with American dancers across stages in China, and he counts as a major influence Daniil Simkin, a principal dancer with the American Ballet Theater.

Ask him about China’s trade war with the United States, however, and Mr. Qi’s admiration for America evaporates.

“Fight, fight, fight!” the 25-year-old wrote on social media, urging his country to stand strong after trade talks with the United States broke down.

“America’s decision to increase tariffs will only bring about its own destruction,” Mr. Qi, a dancer with the National Ballet of China, said in an interview. “China is totally ready to respond.”

the bruising trade war.

Divided popular opinion — and ambivalence about America, even among some of its most ardent fans (and critics) — makes it difficult for Beijing to come down too hard on the United States. But if it does too little, the party risks looking weak.

Chinese people have long looked to America as a source of inspiration, with its gleaming skyscrapers, financial power and unparalleled military might. But they also increasingly see it as a strategic rival — a view partly fueled by pride in China’s rise, and by the party’s propaganda organs, which have long depicted America as a hostile, imperialist country that has tried to keep China down.

“China now has the No. 2 mentality,” said Yun Sun, a China analyst at the Washington-based Stimson Center. “It’s only natural for No. 2 to want to surpass No. 1.”

Even in China’s authoritarian political system, public opinion must be carefully managed. If leaders push an anti-American message too far, they run the risk of nationalist sentiment spiraling out of control. That would limit their options in talks with Washington by forcing them to adopt a tough posture.

Though China has ways to prop up its economy, there are deep-seated concerns that it is not ready for a prolonged standoff, which could exact a heavy toll on people’s livelihoods. That could ultimately backfire on the party, which has staked its legitimacy on generating continuous economic growth.


American culture is so deeply embedded in China that experts say a boycott would be impossible.CreditAndy Wong/Associated Press
merlin_148490214_7947831b-ddc4-4039-b78b-ed0c1f3eb920-articleLarge.jpg

Image
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American culture is so deeply embedded in China that experts say a boycott would be impossible.CreditAndy Wong/Associated Press
On the other hand, if Chinese leaders act too cautiously, they could look inept to a domestic populace that has, in recent years, become more self-assured about China’s status as a rising power.

What was once starry-eyed enthusiasm for America among many Chinese has given way to sober admiration, if not outright disillusionment, as people have gotten to know the United States better and its problems have come into clearer view.

According to the latest nationwide survey by the Pew Research Center, published in 2016, 45 percent of Chinese saw American power and influence as a major threat to their country, up from 39 percent in 2013. More than half of Chinese believed the United States was trying to prevent China from becoming as powerful as America, the survey found.

That trend may well have accelerated over the past year, which has seen the world’s two largest economies go head-to-head in a protracted trade war and a dispute over Huawei, the Chinese telecommunications giant. The United States has also tightened restrictions on visas for Chinese students and visiting scholars, measures it says are aimed at curbing intellectual property theft and spying.

Such developments have reinforced the Chinese perception that the United States is deliberately thwarting their country’s rightful rise — leaving China with no choice but to fight back.

“We are not scared. China has money,” said Amanda Lin, 36, as she sipped an Americano at a Starbucks in Beijing. She said the Chinese manufacturing company she works for had been badly hit by the latest round of tariffs. “Perhaps we have to sacrifice a little in the short term, but if we don’t fight, then we will suffer more in the longer term,” she said.

Skepticism about American intentions taps into China’s collective memory of the 19th century, when Western powers forcibly opened Chinese ports and carved up the country into spheres of influence. Nowadays, China is a fast-modernizing nation, home to a booming middle class and cutting-edge infrastructure.

But many Chinese still remember their outrage when the United States accidentally bombed China’s embassy in Belgrade in 1999, during the war in the former Yugoslavia. The bombing, which killed three Chinese people, prompted days of violent protests. Two years later, tensions flared again when China detained a United States Navy flight crew after a Chinese fighter and an American spy plane collided in midair.

China has ratcheted up anti-American propaganda in recent weeks, but its campaign has been comparatively restrained. Still, the authorities, ever wary of unrest that could be turned against the government, are taking few risks.

Chen Chun, a liberal political columnist in the southern Chinese city of Guangzhou, said he was recently pulled in for a meeting with local security officials who urged him to take a more moderate tone in his writings.

“They said that Chinese people are easily instigated and that emotions can get really complicated,” Mr. Chen said.


An Apple store in Beijing. “We are not scared,” one woman in the capital said of the trade war. “China has money.”CreditGilles Sabrié for The New York Times
merlin_148740096_1e2d248c-a91f-4ed3-8c97-8d17e6e02f5e-articleLarge.jpg

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An Apple store in Beijing. “We are not scared,” one woman in the capital said of the trade war. “China has money.”CreditGilles Sabrié for The New York Times
“On one hand, the authorities want to use nationalism to legitimize their regime,” he added. “But if the nationalists spin out of control, it can also affect their power and the system’s stability.”

The party may also be reluctant to play up China’s rivalry with America, knowing that affection here for the United States — whose Chinese name means “beautiful country” — still runs deep.

American culture is so deeply embedded in China, experts say, that it would be impossible to boycott the country’s products, as China has done with goods from Japan and South Korea when tensions with those countries ran high. Many Chinese love their iPhones and lobsters imported from Boston, and are fans of American television hits like “House of Cards” and “Modern Family.”

The affinity extends beyond products. Many Chinese still admire America for its education system, strong rule of law and soft-power dominance. Some continue to draw inspiration from the idea of the American dream.

“The American dream means working hard and achieving your goals one step at a time,” said Kobe Liu Zhe, 29, a Kobe Bryant superfan in the northeastern city of Harbin who recently made headlines in America after he unknowingly bought the National Basketball Association star’s stolen high school jersey. (He later returned it.) “Kobe Bryant represents that dream.”

And yet, while the United States remains one of the top destinations for Chinese tourists, business travelers and students, the growth in that traffic is slowing. The increase in the number of Chinese visitors to the United States fell sharply from 16 percent in 2016 to only 4 percent in 2017, according to the United States Commerce Department.

The slowdown has been even more apparent in education. The increase in the number of Chinese students going to America has slowed from a high of nearly 30 percent in 2010 to just 3.6 percent last year, according to the Institute of International Education.

The decline, experts say, partly reflects a growing belief that America’s star is losing its luster.

“Thirty years ago, a lot of people thought that going to the United States was like going to heaven,” said Liu Peng, an education consultant in the eastern city of Qingdao. “But now people think the United States is falling behind while China is growing.”

Even if a trade deal is reached soon, experts say party leaders are bracing for a prolonged period of competition with America. Preparing public opinion for that future, some say, will require adjusting to the younger generation’s increasing cultural confidence.

“The older generation of Chinese both respect and fear the United States, we were brought up to think America was superior and we were the underdog,” said Wang Xiaodong, a nationalist writer. “But the perspective of young Chinese is different. They don’t respect you. Nor are they afraid of you.”


Zoe Mou contributed research.

Follow Amy Qin on Twitter: @amyyqin.
US and their supporters are only good at making up article to delude rest. Any tom, dick , harry can write article but they cannot stop the reality of US business losing ground in China?

You mean as if Chinese don't eat Mac burgers , drink starbuck coffee and they will died? Are these companies selling opium?
 
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Once upon a time, USA was seemed by many Chinese, me included, as the land of personal freedom and opportunity "with liberty and justice for all", "a melting pot" where everyone from all parts of world can proudly claim "we are American".

While the sky is still blue, the air is still fresh, water is clean and people are still taking home same paycheck, this country has changed in a way I can no long associate it with "liberty and justice". Many people, including Americans, may still consider it is USA's God given right to be the police of the world, but it has been gradually becoming a corrupt, violent, arrogant "dirty cop" by day. Just look what this administration has done to America or to the rest of world so far, and not to mention the destruction and misery that all those wars without UN's mandate have brought upon other countries and people.

Naturally, new crop of Chinese youth, growing up in peaceful, fast modernizing and affluent social environment, would look today's US in a very different way once they become a "FOB", Fresh off Boat, and have an opportunity to see this legendary country with their own eyes.

As many said before, once Chinese go overseas, they come back home as a patriot.
 
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The Chinese government is too patient. The "ban on the sale of Apple" and the "ban on the export of rare earths and antibiotics to the United States" can simply be done with an administrative order of the State Council of China. It is clear that the Chinese government is still hesitating and in a heated discussion.

It seems that the Chinese government does not want to completely break with the US government, but has not realized that the US government led by Trump has become an international villain and rogue.For the US-like robbers and villains, the best way to communicate is to use iron fists to slam them.
 
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This article assumed that china's policy is dictated only by its leaders and imposed on its people, when almost every Chinese citizen is a Xi jinping.

China is a nation full of a billion Xi jinpings

The article that showed how Chinese nationals living in America- made them appreciate the Chinese form of governance more, best demonstrates this.

Thx.
 
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Just like in the Korean War, in the latter part of the war, when American and British soldiers heard the Chinese army blew the offensive horn, even if the battlefield situation was good, the Americans and the British would choose to retreat and never attack People's Volunteer Position again.

There have been many stories in the Korean War like this: only seven Chinese People’s Volunteers are still holding their positions, being in a state of exhaustion and lack of food, When a Chinese soldier is facing the attack of hundreds of British soldiers, he blew the battle horn to commemorate the dead comrades, the British soldiers could have easily occupied the position of the Chinese Volunteers (only seven Chinese volunteer soldiers are still alive, no food, no weapons, injured, extreme fatigue), but they,after hearing the horn,were so afraid and escaped and those Seven Chinese People’s Volunteers soldiers held their positions and waited for reinforcements.

The United States, a villain country that unscrupulously attacks other countries, is simply not worthy of leading the world.
 
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Not so sure? They need to make up their minds toot-sweet.
 
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Once upon a time, USA was seemed by many Chinese, me included, as the land of personal freedom and opportunity "with liberty and justice for all", "a melting pot" where everyone from all parts of world can proudly claim "we are American".

While the sky is still blue, the air is still fresh, water is clean and people are still taking home same paycheck, this country has changed in a way I can no long associate it with "liberty and justice". Many people, including Americans, may still consider it is USA's God given right to be the police of the world, but it has been gradually becoming a corrupt, violent, arrogant "dirty cop" by day. Just look what this administration has done to America or to the rest of world so far, and not to mention the destruction and misery that all those wars without UN's mandate have brought upon other countries and people.

Naturally, new crop of Chinese youth, growing up in peaceful, fast modernizing and affluent social environment, would look today's US in a very different way once they become a "FOB", Fresh off Boat, and have an opportunity to see this legendary country with their own eyes.

As many said before, once Chinese go overseas, they come back home as a patriot.

There's an obvious question for you, and somebody's going to ask it: are you planning on moving back?

I'm not trying to be a smart-arse asking that, I'm curious as to how polarized Chinese Americans are feeling. Does it depend on how long they may have lived in the US (or how many generations), how much they are personally invested in the trade conflict, what their personal situation is regarding employment or business prospects, cultural or political influences, or perhaps an increasing sense of feeling on the outer in the US?
 
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Amerika is like a clown with balloons, children walk up to get a balloon. But as the kids get too close to the clown, it opens it mouth and you find out Amerika is a scary clown that is there to frighten children and terrorize everyone else.

This has been Washington's foreign policy for the past 50 years. The scary clown corollary to the world' police force.

Heaven to be shot to death on street by white police officers for sure.

There is nothing in East Asia to compare Chicago's South Side. St. Louis' East side even made the movies:


''Cops' should be scared, so I don't fear.' You avoid the void.

Zionists created the mess of run down black city neighborhoods in the 50s and 60s, it was the plan. It was a get whitey plan, so I have to let the zionist 'cops' deal with their own problems they destroy. To the good, the cops are ofcourse still terrorists.
 
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There's an obvious question for you, and somebody's going to ask it: are you planning on moving back?

I'm not trying to be a smart-arse asking that, I'm curious as to how polarized Chinese Americans are feeling. Does it depend on how long they may have lived in the US (or how many generations), how much they are personally invested in the trade conflict, what their personal situation is regarding employment or business prospects, cultural or political influences, or perhaps an increasing sense of feeling on the outer in the US?

Well, I wish the choice were still relevant.

I love both countries, and I still believe USA is a great country. When I was young I was very Pro-USA, to the point my old man would even call me traitor. Having resided in the state for more than half of my life, and a frequent flyer between two countries, I've gradually developed a more balanced view about these two countries.

I am an atheist (spent a couple of years living in a Christian environment, but failed to convince myself), pro development, pro social progress, and anti-war. Looking back what have been happening in this world for the past 30 years, it's not hard to develop the view that I hold right now, especially for among overseas Chinese who have chance to see both sides of the coin.

The image of USA among Chinese youth has been deteriorating, and accelerated since early 2017. If you are a level headed person who has minimal stereotyping (race, religion, political system), and has an open mind to listen to both side of the story, it is easy to figure out which side is making more sense. Of cause in the world politics, the logic often has to yield to rhetoric in the name of "national interest", and I happen to believe that “liberty and justice for all" should be applied to ALL.
 
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Well, I wish the choice were still relevant.

I love both countries, and I still believe USA is a great country. When I was young I was very Pro-USA, to the point my old man would even call me traitor. Having resided in the state for more than half of my life, and a frequent flyer between two countries, I've gradually developed a more balanced view about these two countries.

I am an atheist (spent a couple of years living in a Christian environment, but failed to convince myself), pro development, pro social progress, and anti-war. Looking back what have been happening in this world for the past 30 years, it's not hard to develop the view that I hold right now, especially for among overseas Chinese who have chance to see both sides of the coin.

The image of USA among Chinese youth has been deteriorating, and accelerated since early 2017. If you are a level headed person who has minimal stereotyping (race, religion, political system), and has an open mind to listen to both side of the story, it is easy to figure out which side is making more sense. Of cause in the world politics, the logic often has to yield to rhetoric in the name of "national interest", and I happen to believe that “liberty and justice for all" should be applied to ALL.

I see two sides doing exactly the same thing, with exactly the same underlying thought processes at work. Who is right and who is wrong? To view this conflict without judgement or interpretation, there is no objective right or wrong, just self interest.

Unfortunately for the rest of the world, we all need to live with the decisions made by two powerful collective Egos. Coming from a liberal western democracy, it is easier for me to take the US position because of its compatibility with our customs, political system and way of life. But that would be interpreting through the prism of my own self interest.
 
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I see two sides doing exactly the same thing, with exactly the same underlying thought processes at work. Who is right and who is wrong? To view this conflict without judgement or interpretation, there is no objective right or wrong, just self interest.

Unfortunately for the rest of the world, we all need to live with the decisions made by two powerful collective Egos. Coming from a liberal western democracy, it is easier for me to take the US position because of its compatibility with our customs, political system and way of life. But that would be interpreting through the prism of my own self interest.

One is building, the other is bombing, to say the least.
 
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