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Nehru's hubris about his own statesmanship, coupled with a refusal to discuss the matter reasonably since 1962, has led us to the present tangle.
Dibyesh Anand · Today · 07:15 pm


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Political commentators have been gushing over the possibilities of strengthened economic and strategic relations between China and India, but the unresolved border dispute remains alive and can always play spoiler in the future. A border is, after all, more than a line on the map or a series of military posts on the ground; it is a reflection of how the political elite of a nation-state thinks about its security.

Chinese-controlled Aksai Chin is claimed by India as part of Jammu and Kashmir, and Indian-controlled Arunachal Pradesh is claimed by China. The only feasible solution is to accept the status quo and transform the Line of Actual Control into an international boundary. There have been several rounds of talks since the 1990s, but a resolution remains distant. Despite its parliamentary majority, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government will be unable to sell a permanent boundary settlement without being accused of ceding territory in Aksai Chin, though in reality it will only be giving up its claim over a territory India never controlled.

This raises a pertinent question: what precisely is the border upon which India and China cannot agree?

New neighbours

Through history, China and India have not been neighbours. The current de facto border has its genesis in a line drawn on a map by Henry McMahon during a secret treaty between Britain and Tibet in March 1914. Both entities, British India and Tibet, are no more: one has been transformed into postcolonial India and the other was occupied and colonised by communist China. Yet India and China, both of whom have overthrown the mantle of Western imperialism, are jostling over the same imperialists’ line – and have completely militarised and destroyed the traditional zone of contact that the border regions were.

The border is a legacy of a few dynamics, including the expansionist policies of the British in the Himalayan regions of India, the disappearance of the traditional Tibetan state, which had political and sacral hegemony over much of the region, and the modern nationalisms in postcolonial India and revolutionary China, which are keen on implementing a rigid notion of sovereignty in the border regions and legitimising the primacy of militarised security over the religious, cultural and human rights of the people inhabiting the region.

Stuck in the middle

The primary loser in the dispute is neither India nor China but Tibet. China has occupied most of Tibetan territory, while India has occupied the Tawang tract, which was historically part of Tibet. The Tibetan state had given up the Tawang region to British India in 1914 on the understanding that they would get friendship and assistance to protect their independence from China. When China went on to occupy Tibet in 1949-'50, India reneged on that understanding, preferring the diplomatically attractive Hindi-Chini-bhai-bhai rhetoric over a strategically sound and morally defensible Indo-Tibetan friendship.

Despite reluctantly hosting the Tibetan exile community today, India did not offer any tangible help to the Tibetans in their struggle for independence. Today, as Modi and Xi plan collaborations on various fronts, Tibetans are reminded that in this world of realpolitik, morality and human rights are subservient. Tibetans are perceived as strategic assets or liabilities in bargaining with China, not people of an occupied land for whom India should raise its voice. For India, it is the border matters, not the border inhabitants.

Myths peddled by India

The popular as well as strategic approach of many in India towards the border dispute is jaundiced by the myths the Indian state peddled about the humiliating war of 1962. After the 1962 defeat, there was no credible reflection at the policy level in India. Indians accepted as real the myths that Indian territorial claims were legitimate and sacrosanct and that the Chinese were duplicitous and stabbed gullible India in the back. The reality could not be further from this. The first Survey of India Map in 1950 showed the boundary as undefined in Aksai Chin and as undemarcated in the north east. It was only in the summer of 1954 that Jawaharlal Nehru gave personal orders for all old maps to be withdrawn and destroyed and to remove qualifiers and show the McMahon Line in bold, as if that was the de jure boundary.

Nehru later claimed innocence, insisting that there was no boundary disagreement and that Chinese claims were surprising. Since 1959, India rejected all the diplomatic overtures of Zhou Enlai and said negotiations could only take place if China withdrew from Aksai Chin, though India would not offer anything in return. Since 1961, the Indian military followed a "forward policy" in the border regions that was not only provocative but based on the assumption that China would not retaliate.

A great unresolved mystery from the time is why the best Indian minds working in Intelligence, military and diplomacy accepted this assumption without a murmur of protest. It can be explained by Nehru’s hubris in his own capacity as a statesperson, bureaucracies subservient to him, and the inability of the civilian and military elite to be independent-minded. Macho posturing was the order of the day. The Indianisation of the top brass in the military occurred only after independence in 1947, so they were inexperienced as leaders. Faced with an army that had its genesis in revolutionary wars, the Indian army, which had been servant to an imperial power, failed to perform its basic duty of protecting the country.

Henderson Brooks report

The post-war military report is still confidential, though an excerpt from it was leaked online earlier this year by Neville Maxwell. This Henderson Brooks Report shows that the Indian military barely put up a fight in the north east. There was a total failure of command and control at every level. The only thing that saved India from losing more territories was the unilateral ceasefire declared by China and the Chinese withdrawal back to the pre-war LAC. Had China not withdrawn, India could not have done much.

Rather than reflect upon its own follies, India embarked on militarisation and refused to negotiate. While the fantasists may be waiting for China to collapse one day, the fact is that China is here to stay and India has an option of either being sincere in negotiations or letting the dispute fester. It took the border dispute and a revolt in Tibet and the exile of the Dalai Lama in 1959 to destroy the camaraderie of early 1950s. Unless China manages to put an end to the Tibet issue by reaching a settlement with the Tibetans led by the Dalai Lama, and both India and China resolve their disagreements over the border, the newfound bonhomie could unravel once again.

Professor Dibyesh Anand is head of the Department of Politics and International Relations at the University of Westminster in London.

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There might be a histroy where borders are undecided...but conflict happens when histroy of the past is imposed on the present scenario...Based on the history, all human beings are apes and there were no notion of nationhood..that does not mean nations will stop defining boundaries..In the same vein, there was no China in Tibet but still then China occupied it...

The bottom line is that if any one including both India and China thinking that China will China Occupied Kashmir and India will handover Arunachal Pradesh then both are leaving in dream land..In this age of nuclear bombs and communication, change is not going to happen..It is just a matter of time about when China realizes it...
 
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These so-called border lines (like the MacMahon line) were drawn by White British colonialists from the other side of the planet, who had no authority whatsoever to draw lines across Asia.

And according to India's own internal Army report, it was in fact Nehru who started the 1962 war:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

The bottom line is that if any one including both India and China thinking that China will China Occupied Kashmir and India will handover Arunachal Pradesh then both are leaving in dream land..In this age of nuclear bombs and communication, change is not going to happen..It is just a matter of time about when China realizes it...

Both China and India have "No First Use" policies, which means a conventional war is very possible.
 
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These so-called border lines (like the MacMahon line) were drawn by White British colonialists from the other side of the planet, who had no authority whatsoever to draw lines across Asia.

And according to India's own internal Army report, it was in fact Nehru who started the 1962 war:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India

Again, i am not discounting your argument..Your argument might be right..And let us for a moment i accept that India started war and India also got defeated....So now the next question is why China did not give a logical conclusion to the entire border episode at that time...China could have occupied Arunachal Pradesh and whatever area you have won from India....In that scenario, there could be an settlement to this bounbdary dispute...

But if China has not taken any logical conclusion at that time when it has enough scope to do it, why again now?....See....in practical sense, as long as any war is not happening where one party looses, there is not any possibility of redrawing of boundary if also the argument of respective parties might have some valid arguments....
 
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how helpless the chinese are feeling now! they supported russia's action in ukraine, now, where is their strategic partner russia ? :lol:
 
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No it really is not. At least one of the two sides will need to be terminally unhinged for that.

So why didn't that stop Nehru from putting military posts far beyond even the MacMahon line (in land India does not even claim) and then tell the Indian Army to throw the Chinese out of that area?

Which is Chinese land even according to the MacMahon line?

Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line - Business Standard

This is according to India's own internal Army report, the Henderson-Brooks report.
 
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So why didn't that stop Nehru from putting military posts far beyond even the MacMahon line (in land India does not even claim) and then tell the Indian Army to throw the Chinese out of that area?
Which is Chinese land even according to the MacMahon line?
Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line | Business Standard News
This is according to India's own internal Army report, the Henderson-Brooks report.

Because Nehru was terminally unhinged.
 
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These so-called border lines (like the MacMahon line) were drawn by White British colonialists from the other side of the planet, who had no authority whatsoever to draw lines across Asia.

And according to India's own internal Army report, it was in fact Nehru who started the 1962 war:

It wasn't China, but Nehru who declared 1962 war - The Times of India



Both China and India have "No First Use" policies, which means a conventional war is very possible.

Of course..conventional small scale war is possible..But just think a scenario, if some one is loosing a territory, then war does not have any limitation about what would be extent that will get stretched...If someones sovernity is breached, they will not wait for no first use policy knowing well that the reaction will be the violent too...There is no limit to be a bad boy in a war..Treating and relationship takes back seat then...

So why didn't that stop Nehru from putting military posts far beyond even the MacMahon line (in land India does not even claim) and then tell the Indian Army to throw the Chinese out of that area?

Which is Chinese land even according to the MacMahon line?

Dhola Post that triggered war was on China's side of McMahon Line - Business Standard

This is according to India's own internal Army report, the Henderson-Brooks report.

Neheru is another s***....Because of him the entire partition has happened and Kashmir is still an issue...
 
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how helpless the chinese are feeling now! they supported russia's action in ukraine, now, where is their strategic partner russia ? :lol:
we need Russia to defeat you? Should we also call Russia for Philippines too?

There might be a histroy where borders are undecided...but conflict happens when histroy of the past is imposed on the present scenario...Based on the history, all human beings are apes and there were no notion of nationhood..that does not mean nations will stop defining boundaries..In the same vein, there was no China in Tibet but still then China occupied it...

The bottom line is that if any one including both India and China thinking that China will China Occupied Kashmir and India will handover Arunachal Pradesh then both are leaving in dream land..In this age of nuclear bombs and communication, change is not going to happen..It is just a matter of time about when China realizes it...

The line is what it is today, maybe we wil advance abit here and there, but hte over all effect will be minimal.

Getting AP? To what end? We already have enough trouble developing Tibet, we are not getting that burden, India knows how difficult to build there.

Besides, it's 2014, who wants more territory anymore.
 
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Again, i am not discounting your argument..Your argument might be right..And let us for a moment i accept that India started war and India also got defeated....So now the next question is why China did not give a logical conclusion to the entire border episode at that time...China could have occupied Arunachal Pradesh and whatever area you have won from India....In that scenario, there could be an settlement to this bounbdary dispute...

But if China has not taken any logical conclusion at that time when it has enough scope to do it, why again now?....See....in practical sense, as long as any war is not happening where one party looses, there is not any possibility of redrawing of boundary if also the argument of respective parties might have some valid arguments....

Because China was in a desperate situation at that point.

In 1962, not only were we going through the worst famine in our entire history (the Great leap forward), we were also facing open hostility from both the superpowers, the USA and the USSR. Who had successfully contained us in all directions.

It was due to this desperate situation, that Zhou Enlai made this excessively generous offer to India:

BBC News - India climbdown may help China border dispute

By Subir Bhaumik
Itanagar, Arunachal Pradesh
17 April 2012

India has been reluctant to part with any portion of the disputed territory since the 1950s.

It rejected a swap offer made by China's former Prime Minister Zhou Enlai in 1960, asking India to recognise China's control of Aksai Chin in the west as a quid pro quo for China's recognition of the McMahon line.

After rejecting that offer, India initiated a "forward policy" to control the disputed territories in the Himalayas.


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That's why, despite winning conclusively on both fronts, we unilaterally withdrew in the Eastern sector. Because Zhou Enlai wanted to give India another chance at his offer.

India of course rejected it (in favor of the Forward Policy). And today China is no longer in that desperate situation, so we can safely say this offer has long since expired.
 
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we need Russia to defeat you? Should we also call Russia for Philippines too?



The line is what it is today, maybe we wil advance abit here and there, but hte over all effect will be minimal.

Getting AP? To what end? We already have enough trouble developing Tibet, we are not getting that burden, India knows how difficult to build there.

Besides, it's 2014, who wants more territory anymore.

Exactly..That is what even i am also saying..why not make Line of Actual control now as an International border...Just close the issue...I am not sure if you guys will beleive us or not...China needs India to be neutral or somehwat friendly to him than India needs China...The reason is simple...China is an aspiring power to replace US in this century...So it needs stability at its border if they would like to expand their influence...India does not have that capacity to compete with China but India can be an irritant for China to grow its influence as Pakistan is doing with India...So i hope that China should be smart enough to just make LAC as border and close the issue rather than raising about conquering Arunachal Pradesh again and again...

of course your offer might have been expired..and also neither China is the same like 1962 not India is in same situation as 1962 too...If China feels that India can be pushed over and China can redraw the boundary, then i am sorry to say....It is not happening...India may not get China occupied Kashmir ...But it is not going to happen that India will loose Arunachal..
Because China was in a desperate situation at that point.

In 1962, not only were we going through the worst famine in our entire history (the Great leap forward), we were also facing open hostility from both the superpowers, the USA and the USSR. Who had successfully contained us in all directions.

It was due to this desperate situation, that Zhou Enlai made this excessively generous offer to India:

BBC News - India climbdown may help China border dispute

By Subir Bhaumik
Itanagar, Arunachal Pradesh
17 April 2012

India has been reluctant to part with any portion of the disputed territory since the 1950s.

It rejected a swap offer made by China's former Prime Minister Zhou Enlai in 1960, asking India to recognise China's control of Aksai Chin in the west as a quid pro quo for China's recognition of the McMahon line.

After rejecting that offer, India initiated a "forward policy" to control the disputed territories in the Himalayas.


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That's why, despite winning conclusively on both fronts, we unilaterally withdrew in the Eastern sector. Because Zhou Enlai wanted to give India another chance at his offer.

India of course rejected it (in favor of the Forward Policy). And today China is no longer in that desperate situation, so we can safely say this offer has long since expired.
 
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Because Nehru was terminally unhinged.

Well, at least when Nehru started the Forward policy against us, he knew that China was in the middle of the worst famine in our history (Great leap forward), which dropped our GDP by 1/3 and put the entire country on the brink of collapse.

Not to mention that both the USA and the USSR were actively hostile to us at that point. With us having fought the Korean war with the USA and all her allies in the previous decade, and being in the middle of the Sino-Soviet split as well.

So he had every reason to believe that he would be able to seize our territory without a fight. It was not an illogical belief to have, considering the factors above.

Today though, any Indian leader that wants to restart a Forward Policy against China truly would be unhinged, since clearly the balance of power has reversed quite dramatically.

Our official policy is "China's peaceful rise", which will give us enough time to at least finish our current stage of economic development (possibly by 2025). But we will also defend ourselves with everything we have, if anyone is foolish enough to start another war against us. And I believe the world has plenty of fools who might be willing to risk just that.
 
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we need Russia to defeat you? Should we also call Russia for Philippines too?

you are already defeated. your troops have retreated to pre-september 10 status quo, it is only your media under the rule of your leaders who are not making it public for face-saving reasons. your media is publishing bs reports to tell the chinese masses that their leader xi jinping has done some commendable job in india but in reality he has been defeated.

washington post says:

In China, media focused on the personal relationship between the two leaders, and editorials and commentaries emphasized the similarities between the two countries — how they were both ancient civilizations, supported each other in fighting for independence and are in the process of national “rejuvenation,” as Xi put it Wednesday. The Global Times published an editorial saying that India-China cooperation could fundamentally change the world in the face of Western hegemony.

:lol:

can't believe, in this century, such archaic thinking still exists among some loser jokers. prime minister narendra modi made your leaders shiver
 
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Well, at least when Nehru started the Forward policy against us, he knew that China was in the middle of the worst famine in our history (Great leap forward), which dropped our GDP by 1/3 and put the entire country on the brink of collapse.

Not to mention that both the USA and the USSR were actively hostile to us at that point.

So he had every reason to believe that he would be able to seize our territory without a fight. It was not an illogical belief to have, considering the factors above.

Today though, any Indian leader that wants to restart a Forward Policy against China truly would be unhinged, since clearly the balance of power has reversed quite dramatically.

I highly doubt that Nehru was out to grab territory, never amount to malice what can be amounted to incompetence.

And India has almost no offensive capability on it's Chinese border, so there is no question of a new Forward Policy.
 
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