TLP riots and destruction- Aasia Bibi Blasphemy Judgement

[django]

I wish these folks had lived under those Jelali Osmanli Sultans!!!! Then they would have understood what the State means, and what's its like to be the mouthpieces of the enemies.....

These Jahil folks are reading the scripts written at the dark basements of the foreign intelligence agencies!!!! If Pak State wants to survive, they need to be extremely hard on them!!! It's "now or never"....

Sir scripts written by folk in madarsa in Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh India, all at the behest of RAW.Kudos Sir

 

[valkyr_96]

@ziaulislam
Mr IMF/Foreign agent I knew u have really little grasp on history. You should have known your fellow agent Asma Jahangir was also accused of blasphemy 295 C and acquitted.

I had asked you to aware yourself of asiya Noreen aka Asia bibi FIR report andher ask for clemency to Punjab Gov. Taseer in 2009. Later it was converted into amnesty petition as she admitted she did it. When her tussle happened with the 2 women she also had accused them of targeting her faith upon which she said something in reply.
She has admitted it few times again after that. This case by the protestors is being looked at propagation of islamophobia and targeting mocking of Islamic symbols for propaganda purposes. Asiya bibi was honored with sakharov award last year please google why was she given a 'freedom of thought' award.

DEsi liberal morons should just shut up or come on the streets instead of hiding like cowards behind anonymous accounts.

Asiya bibi was a final nominee but was not awarded the sakharov award the reason for the nomination is given as "behavior in prison, the dignity she has shown during all these years is the best proof of her being able to represent the dignity of a defender of human rights in the face of the worst fate"

https://www.rferl.org/a/eu-pakistan-sakharov-prize-nominess-bibi/28769933.html
On the EU parliament only her name is mentioned no mention of case....
Very civilised http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/...O85654/sakharov-prize-2017-meet-the-finalists

 

[Kabira]

This forum has turned into bloodthirsty mob that wants to kill everyone. Even if a citizen is damaging public or private properties he should not be killed and some bloodthirsty said "sure they must be killed".

We are living in a lawless state i mean?

Anyways... People can see what sort of extremism is happening here on this board. Even some senior folks jumped into the bandwagon... How are you people different from Khadim Rizvi?

As i said, i don't sympathize with the people involved in the burning of vehicles and damaging of properties. BUT they should NOT be killed. The state has NO RIGHT to kill its citizens.

BTW How many people did police kill in Faizabad dharna and how many policemen killed? SHAME!!!

For a fact... These Dharnas are happening in more than 80 cities and believe me they are peaceful... if even 50% if these dharnas were violent... You know a word called "CIVIL WAR"?

Thanks for your post.... AT LEAST someone is sane enough to hear the facts from both sides. It might be a rare instance but the courts have given a decision that doesn't reflect the facts in my opinion.

I think Mr. Saqib Nisar is destroyed by the fact that "It was NOT alcohol that was retrieved from hospital that day"

These kids are stupid. You don't kill unarmed protesters, you beat them with sticks and arrest them. Some may get killed in process if they turn violent and resist arrest.

 

[khail007]

I agree with the most part but the protest is the right of everyone. A peaceful protest we are talking about.

And if the leaders of TLP asked for damaging properties, setting vehicles on fire... then i must say they are wrong!

Definitely you are right, I didn't objected to peaceful protest which is the right and civilised way. Only objection is the destruction of properties of common people.

 

[Kabira]

Definitely you are right, I didn't objected to peaceful protest which is the right and civilised way. Only objection is the destruction of properties of common people.

Punishment for burning vehicles isn't death as far as I know.

 

[shining eyes]

Wealth is irrelevant, knowledge is relevant. Elite or not, if you arent advancing humanity.. the gas chambers for you... or maybe soylent green type situation.

Flawed!

Well, Thats a perfectionist approach and thats no way suitable for us humans because we are perfectly imperfect.

Example won't be the best but it shows why not! if we see it individually... say one's "loved one" (could be anyone son, father, mother, spouse etc) is not advancing the humanity, gas chambers for that person will destroy others. Putting the emotional factor in different situations will achieve the same result.

As i said we are not robots. the approach is best for machines with no emotions and human characteristics.

To the point... Peaceful protests are justified and its states responsibility to clear them out with non lethal force and the solution should be long-term

 

[SQ8]

Flawed!

Well, Thats a perfectionist approach and thats no way suitable for us humans because we are perfectly imperfect.

Example won't be the best but it shows why not! if we see it individually... say one's "loved one" (could be anyone son, father, mother, spouse etc) is not advancing the humanity, gas chambers for that person will destroy others. Putting the emotional factor in different situations will achieve the same result.

As i said we are not robots. the approach is best for machines with no emotions and human characteristics.

To the point... Peaceful protests are justified and its states responsibility to clear them out with non lethal force and the solution should be long-term

Long term solutions require education, economics and so on. This is hindering the long term solution; lets agree to disagree on the approach.

 

[PakSword]

Right on the point. I am not done reading it but I do agree with it. What “Pain Di siri” is doing is very obvious. We all knew his reaction after the verdict. There he is doing what he is asked to do.

What are your thoughts on it?

I have read most of it.. and I agree.

In my honest opinion, Islam puts a lot of emphasis on the number and quality of witnesses. A crime which is witnessed by one person can't be punished, even if there is a reasonable chance that the accused has committed the crime. If the crime is witnessed by fewer than the required number of persons according to Islamic law, it becomes a matter between the accused and the Lord.

After going through the verdict, it is clear to me that there is a problem with the quality, and the number of both the prime witnesses. In this case, even if Asia committed the blasphemy, she can't be awarded with capital punishment. Now it's between her and her Creator..

I have a doubt that even if she had committed the blasphemy in response to the abuses hurled against her religion, she can't be punished in current circumstances..

If this time we submit to the demands of these religious goons, tomorrow a new era of accusations and then forcefully getting favorite judgments will start. That will be the end of Pakistan as a society..

Illiterates think that 1400 years back, Islam didn't guide us about all this.. they live in an alternate dimension.. There is a reason that quality and number of witnesses carry enormous importance in Islamic jurisprudence..

Having said that, I am amazed.. actually disturbed.. that most of our religious scholars, who know about the importance of witnesses in Islamic jurisprudence, are going against Supreme Court.

They don't even realize that this will haunt themselves in future.. These religious scholars are themselves involved in so much blasphemous content, and that too in public domain, that these goons will start accusing and killing each other.. and that time is not very far away from now.

Imagine... Shia killing Ahle Hadith, Ahle Hadith Killing Barelvi, Barelvi killing Deobandi, and Deobandi killing Shia.. amazing society ours will become..

We may see in future that an individual (belonging to Deobandi sect) will one day announce that he and his friend has heard Khadim Rizvi of committing blasphemy in private.. and they both are ready take oath on Quran.. it will then be the duty of people who follow deobandi sect to kill Khadim.. or a Barelvi announcing in a market that he has heard Maulana Tariq Jameel hurling abusus at prophets.. and his goons will then kill Maulana..

This hasn't been taught by our deen..

 

[Hareeb]

TLY is worse than TTP and equivalent to PTM and MQM.

Is there any news about operation against TLY in Lahore?

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1481365325233259

 

[Moonlight]

I have read most of it.. and I agree.

In my honest opinion, Islam puts a lot of emphasis on the number and quality of witnesses. A crime which is witnessed by one person can't be punished, even if there is a reasonable chance that the accused has committed the crime. If the crime is witnessed by fewer than the required number of persons according to Islamic law, it becomes a matter between the accused and the Lord.

After going through the verdict, it is clear to me that there is a problem with the quality, and the number of both the prime witnesses. In this case, even if Asia committed the blasphemy, she can't be awarded with capital punishment. Now it's between her and her Creator..

I have a doubt that even if she had committed the blasphemy in response to the abuses hurled against her religion, she can't be punished in current circumstances..

If this time we submit to the demands of these religious goons, tomorrow a new era of accusations and then forcefully getting favorite judgments will start. That will be the end of Pakistan as a society..

Illiterates think that 1400 years back, Islam didn't guide us about all this.. they live in an alternate dimension.. There is a reason that quality and number of witnesses carry enormous importance in Islamic jurisprudence..

Having said that, I am amazed.. actually disturbed.. that most of our religious scholars, who know about the importance of witnesses in Islamic jurisprudence, are going against Supreme Court.

They don't even realize that this will haunt themselves in future.. These religious scholars are themselves involved in so much blasphemous content, and that too in public domain, that these goons will start accusing and killing each other.. and that time is not very far away from now.

Imagine... Shia killing Ahle Hadith, Ahle Hadith Killing Barelvi, Barelvi killing Deobandi, and Deobandi killing Shia.. amazing society ours will become..

We may see in future that an individual (belonging to Deobandi sect) will one day announce that he and his friend has heard Khadim Rizvi of committing blasphemy in private.. and they both are ready take oath on Quran.. it will then be the duty of people who follow deobandi sect to kill Khadim.. or a Barelvi announcing in a market that he has heard Maulana Tariq Jameel hurling abusus at prophets.. and his goons will then kill Maulana..

This hasn't been taught by our deen..

I second with you @PakSword completely agree with you.

They have damaged Islam more than anyone.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Sir scripts written by folk in madarsa in Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh India, all at the behest of RAW.Kudos Sir

Based on 300 years of experience, just show me the face I'll tell you the agency behind it....

 

[ziaulislam]

@ziaulislam
Mr IMF/Foreign agent I knew u have really little grasp on history. You should have known your fellow agent Asma Jahangir was also accused of blasphemy 295 C and acquitted.

I had asked you to aware yourself of asiya Noreen aka Asia bibi FIR report andher ask for clemency to Punjab Gov. Taseer in 2009. Later it was converted into amnesty petition as she admitted she did it. When her tussle happened with the 2 women she also had accused them of targeting her faith upon which she said something in reply.
She has admitted it few times again after that. This case by the protestors is being looked at propagation of islamophobia and targeting mocking of Islamic symbols for propaganda purposes. Asiya bibi was honored with sakharov award last year please google why was she given a 'freedom of thought' award.

DEsi liberal morons should just shut up or come on the streets instead of hiding like cowards behind anonymous accounts.

Being a mualana agent i know you wanted to lick banya boots not me, even today doing qurnabi is not allowed in maulana fantasy india..you wanted an india where everything is done to muslims...

well if asma jahengir did it, you should put a case on her why are you talking to me..

ofcourse she going to get all awards and is going to be given asylum and used to pressurize us to repeal this law... but whose fault is this ? Her? Or ours for using the law for petty self fights on water?

Oh because she will be used lets hang her

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

I have read most of it.. and I agree.

In my honest opinion, Islam puts a lot of emphasis on the number and quality of witnesses. A crime which is witnessed by one person can't be punished, even if there is a reasonable chance that the accused has committed the crime. If the crime is witnessed by fewer than the required number of persons according to Islamic law, it becomes a matter between the accused and the Lord.

After going through the verdict, it is clear to me that there is a problem with the quality, and the number of both the prime witnesses. In this case, even if Asia committed the blasphemy, she can't be awarded with capital punishment. Now it's between her and her Creator..

I have a doubt that even if she had committed the blasphemy in response to the abuses hurled against her religion, she can't be punished in current circumstances..

If this time we submit to the demands of these religious goons, tomorrow a new era of accusations and then forcefully getting favorite judgments will start. That will be the end of Pakistan as a society..

Illiterates think that 1400 years back, Islam didn't guide us about all this.. they live in an alternate dimension.. There is a reason that quality and number of witnesses carry enormous importance in Islamic jurisprudence..

Having said that, I am amazed.. actually disturbed.. that most of our religious scholars, who know about the importance of witnesses in Islamic jurisprudence, are going against Supreme Court.

They don't even realize that this will haunt themselves in future.. These religious scholars are themselves involved in so much blasphemous content, and that too in public domain, that these goons will start accusing and killing each other.. and that time is not very far away from now.

Imagine... Shia killing Ahle Hadith, Ahle Hadith Killing Barelvi, Barelvi killing Deobandi, and Deobandi killing Shia.. amazing society ours will become..

We may see in future that an individual (belonging to Deobandi sect) will one day announce that he and his friend has heard Khadim Rizvi of committing blasphemy in private.. and they both are ready take oath on Quran.. it will then be the duty of people who follow deobandi sect to kill Khadim.. or a Barelvi announcing in a market that he has heard Maulana Tariq Jameel hurling abusus at prophets.. and his goons will then kill Maulana..

This hasn't been taught by our deen..

Islam's principles are simple: if you have 100 folks in a boat and 99 of them are criminals then you can't sink the boat for the right of one innocent prevails.

 

[ziaulislam]

I have read most of it.. and I agree.

In my honest opinion, Islam puts a lot of emphasis on the number and quality of witnesses. A crime which is witnessed by one person can't be punished, even if there is a reasonable chance that the accused has committed the crime. If the crime is witnessed by fewer than the required number of persons according to Islamic law, it becomes a matter between the accused and the Lord.

After going through the verdict, it is clear to me that there is a problem with the quality, and the number of both the prime witnesses. In this case, even if Asia committed the blasphemy, she can't be awarded with capital punishment. Now it's between her and her Creator..

I have a doubt that even if she had committed the blasphemy in response to the abuses hurled against her religion, she can't be punished in current circumstances..

If this time we submit to the demands of these religious goons, tomorrow a new era of accusations and then forcefully getting favorite judgments will start. That will be the end of Pakistan as a society..

Illiterates think that 1400 years back, Islam didn't guide us about all this.. they live in an alternate dimension.. There is a reason that quality and number of witnesses carry enormous importance in Islamic jurisprudence..

Having said that, I am amazed.. actually disturbed.. that most of our religious scholars, who know about the importance of witnesses in Islamic jurisprudence, are going against Supreme Court.

They don't even realize that this will haunt themselves in future.. These religious scholars are themselves involved in so much blasphemous content, and that too in public domain, that these goons will start accusing and killing each other.. and that time is not very far away from now.

Imagine... Shia killing Ahle Hadith, Ahle Hadith Killing Barelvi, Barelvi killing Deobandi, and Deobandi killing Shia.. amazing society ours will become..

We may see in future that an individual (belonging to Deobandi sect) will one day announce that he and his friend has heard Khadim Rizvi of committing blasphemy in private.. and they both are ready take oath on Quran.. it will then be the duty of people who follow deobandi sect to kill Khadim.. or a Barelvi announcing in a market that he has heard Maulana Tariq Jameel hurling abusus at prophets.. and his goons will then kill Maulana..

This hasn't been taught by our deen..

well we actually did at trial court and than even at high court level when two high profile people were murdered ...

Did she comit blasphemy ..probably or may be..

Is there any proof or good witness..absolutely no..the main witness is a Mob who were ready to kill her! The other two ARE WOMEN WTH SERIOUS CONFLICT of interest and known liars who forget to tell about a fight a day ago

Point is we should just end the qazi and let mob decide ....just like till now honor killing and marriage to quran was use to grab most of women piece of land this can be the next thing..

 

[SunilM]

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