Tipping point in Karachi

[Skywalker]

MQM will keep having a hard time until or unless they get rid off altaf and i hope he will die with a natural death but soon. I am proper urdu speaking karachiite and i miss my karachi when there was no mqm, they brought terror and gave away ammunition to our future leaders instead of pen.

I hope altaf will soon die in hell, hopefully farooq sattar will have relief from telling lies and defending the rhino everyday.

 

[ice_man]

nothing is going to happen to MQM. nothing!

IF the LeAs and Establishment were serious they would have put all leaders name on Exit Control.

As we see every leader of MQM is out of the country.

So this is just a total topi drama.

 

[xyxmt]

So you mean there is also 20th point not listed? Agree with your AH making a lot of damage himself than others but Dr Imran Farooq murder case nothing to do with this political move of resignation.

there are always points not listed in the public documents, and Altaf hussain is going crazy not for his captured karkuns but only for his own neck.

 

[pak-marine]

I understood the context in which those lines were said.

My point was that it was a silly and unreasonable thing to say.
He believes that the military wants him out and that the only way out is either Parliament protecting him and MQM, or confrontation.

Parliament should not protect criminals and MQM does not the strength to confront LEAs again. Mr. Hussain has put himself in a very delicate situation.

Its not unreasonable there is a big question mark who is in command in Pakistan is it the people which is represented by the parliament or the fauj ? technically he is correct

 

[Musafir117]

there are always points not listed in the public documents, and Altaf hussain is going crazy not for his captured karkuns but only for his own neck.

Now it's PMLN govt why Ch Nisar so delaying the procedure if they have nam NEHAD murderer and facilitator in their custody? Is PMLN also playing game to protect him? And don't tell me please the stories of Baloch separatists exchange etc. Well, we going of topic the thread is about Karachi.

 

[WAJsal]

So this is just a total topi drama.

Quite clear they wanted to pressure the federal government. Anyone can guess that this government doesn't want to create a new political situation-something they fear a lot, as it brings great threat to their government. Back to the point: now we hear government ministers saying they will talk to MQM, look at their reservations. MQM will try to pressurize Federal government to either get rid of Rangers or end the operation, which(operation) in itself is getting rid of criminal elements within MQM, as well as the criminals in general. something MQM is crying about from day one. Take Nine-zero raid for example, all sorts of excuses, no concrete counter, AH saying something else his members saying something else. And now Rangers have even provided them with the list of Target killers. So MQM has played politically a good move, but Army will not compromise, times have gone. It's complete clean up Karachi, that means MQM too. Ever wondered why AH cries all the time, as to operation being targeted at them, and at them only.
I hate posting in political section, but thought i'd share my views.
@notorious_eagle , your thoughts on these resignations?

 

[notorious_eagle]

@notorious_eagle , your thoughts on these resignations?

Dramay Bazi

Put pressure on the Federal Government to reign in the Rangers. What they don't understand is that the Army will not stop until they clear out all Criminal Elements in Karachi. MQM wants to protect its Militant Wing, after all its that Wing that brings in the Bacon because MQM lacks the majority to form its Government and make money through Corruption like PML-N or PPP. What MQM fails to understand is that this is not 92, this time the Army is serious and will eliminate all Criminal Elements in Karachi.

 

[Gazi]

Dramay Bazi

Put pressure on the Federal Government to reign in the Rangers. What they don't understand is that the Army will not stop until they clear out all Criminal Elements in Karachi. MQM wants to protect its Militant Wing, after all its that Wing that brings in the Bacon because MQM lacks the majority to form its Government and make money through Corruption like PML-N or PPP. What MQM fails to understand is that this is not 92, this time the Army is serious and will eliminate all Criminal Elements in Karachi.

MQM Organization isnt Militant Wing as it is Claimed to be. The only reason why LEA wants to eliminate MQM Unit and Sector structure is because It is Altaf's Power Base within Karachi as well as within MQM. MQM has another structure which is called APMSO which is the Power base of MQM as a Party rather then Altaf or any MQM Leader as it is Foundation stone of what we call MQM today and APMSO has proved to be very Effective Tool as well for MQM despite of being Marginalized for last few years in favor of Units and Sectors especially during NA246 as they were the once running the whole Campaign of NA 246 and their efforts had convinced lot of Young Voters to Support MQM over PTI otherwise PTI would have able to get more Votes then they got in 2013 General Election from this constituency.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

well you have predicted MQM's end several times repeatedly .. so when is the actual end than ?

As being a Karachite . i can tell you that mqm is doomed .

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

I think MQM will settle the issue by persuading govt not to help UK regarding Imran Farooq Murder, Bhai saab is looking after himself not the party, he screwed party too much already by his telephonic khitabats

Wo to soda ziyada ho jata ha na.

 

[notorious_eagle]

MQM Organization isnt Militant Wing as it is Claimed to be.

Yes, everyone would disagree with you on that especially the LEA. This excuse simply won't work anymore, every target killer caught claims that he belongs to the MQM.

The only reason why LEA wants to eliminate MQM Unit and Sector structure is because It is Altaf's Power Base within Karachi as well as within MQM. MQM has another structure which is called APMSO which is the Power base of MQM as a Party rather then Altaf or any MQM Leader as it is Foundation stone of what we call MQM today and APMSO has proved to be very Effective Tool as well for MQM despite of being Marginalized for last few years in favor of Units and Sectors especially during NA246 as they were the once running the whole Campaign of NA 246 and their efforts had convinced lot of Young Voters to Support MQM over PTI otherwise PTI would have able to get more Votes then they got in 2013 General Election from this constituency.

Its not about politics or votes, Rangers certainly are not interested in that. All they are interested in is ending crime in Karachi, and for them to do that they have to eliminate MQM's Militant Wing.

MQM Unit and Sector Structure indeed is the power base of AH, through this structure he was able to keep his party in line and spread his terror and chaos throughout the city. As the Rangers have smashed this structure, this is why AH has been crying and bit**ing so loudly on TV. Without this structure AH is powerless, this is why he has turned so Anti Army all of a sudden. It were these Unit in Charge or Sector Commander that were responsible for collecting Bhatta, Kidnapping for ransom or killing any opponents.

 

[Gazi]

Yes, everyone would disagree with you on that especially the LEA. This excuse simply won't work anymore, every target killer caught claims that he belongs to the MQM.

Structural Weaknesses are everywhere but that doesnt Qualify to call the whole Structure as Failure as many people have also benefited in terms of their Daily Bases Issues like Telephone Complains to Police FIRs of Stolen ID Cards.

Its not about politics or votes, Rangers certainly are not interested in that. All they are interested in is ending crime in Karachi, and for them to do that they have to eliminate MQM's Militant Wing.

MQM Unit and Sector Structure indeed is the power base of AH, through this structure he was able to keep his party in line and spread his terror and chaos throughout the city. As the Rangers have smashed this structure, this is why AH has been crying and bit**ing so loudly on TV. Without this structure AH is powerless, this is why he has turned so Anti Army all of a sudden. It were these Unit in Charge or Sector Commander that were responsible for collecting Bhatta, Kidnapping for ransom or killing any opponents.

Rangers Approach is becoming more and more Trail Blazing rather then Targeted in many areas for a minor Crime they sealed whole area and search House to House to find someone suspicious and that is something which would work against LEA in the long run and due to their Media Campaigns of so called Confession Statements throughout NA 246 Election Saga has also put their Credibility at risk as no Convictions have came out so far even from ATC.

Like I said MQM doesnt just have this Structure only it has APMSO as well and APMSO have been found Effective in NA 246 By Elections campaigns Getting Active after a very Long time on Public outreach at a very Difficult time of MQM so they have other Options as well but APMSO have always been about MQM then about Altaf as they are Foundation stone so for MQM Unit and Sector the Loyalty to Altaf Hussain was the foremost Criteria while for APMSO loyalty to MQM as a party becomes foremost Criteria.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Structural Weaknesses are everywhere but that doesnt Qualify to call the whole Structure as Failure as many people have also benefited in terms of their Daily Bases Issues like Telephone Complains to Police FIRs of Stolen ID Cards.

That's fine, but if their Political Face defends the Criminal Face, that is wrong and cannot be excused. Your argument would be very valid if the Political Wing of MQM was voluntary surrendering the Militant Wing.

Rangers Approach is becoming more and more Trail Blazing rather then Targeted in many areas for a minor Crime they sealed whole area and search House to House to find someone suspicious and that is something which would work against LEA in the long run and due to their Media Campaigns of so called Confession Statements throughout NA 246 Election Saga has also put their Credibility at risk as no Convictions have came out so far even from ATC.

Whatever tactics the Rangers might be using, the facts are that they are delivering results and by smashing Criminals in Karachi, they have decreased crime dramatically. Let the Professionals deal with how to plan and execute their tactics, not an Arm Chair General.

As far as their credibility is concerned, from whatever i have seen on TV except for Areas surrounding Nine Zero, everyone is praising the Rangers and sending them well wishes. So from whatever the Media has shown us about Karachi, it does look like the Public is very happy and who wouldn't be. Who wouldn't love Peace and Prosperity instead of Blood and Bhatta Khori which was wide spread before the Operation started.

Like I said MQM doesnt just have this Structure only it has APMSO as well and APMSO have been found Effective in NA 246 By Elections campaigns Getting Active after a very Long time on Public outreach at a very Difficult time of MQM so they have other Options as well but APMSO have always been about MQM then about Altaf as they are Foundation stone so for MQM Unit and Sector the Loyalty to Altaf Hussain was the foremost Criteria while for APMSO loyalty to MQM as a party becomes foremost Criteria.

Not at all related to the Operation

 

[ice_man]

Structural Weaknesses are everywhere but that doesnt Qualify to call the whole Structure as Failure as many people have also benefited in terms of their Daily Bases Issues like Telephone Complains to Police FIRs of Stolen ID Cards.
Rangers Approach is becoming more and more Trail Blazing rather then Targeted in many areas for a minor Crime they sealed whole area and search House to House to find someone suspicious and that is something which would work against LEA in the long run and due to their Media Campaigns of so called Confession Statements throughout NA 246 Election Saga has also put their Credibility at risk as no Convictions have came out so far even from ATC.

Like I said MQM doesnt just have this Structure only it has APMSO as well and APMSO have been found Effective in NA 246 By Elections campaigns Getting Active after a very Long time on Public outreach at a very Difficult time of MQM so they have other Options as well but APMSO have always been about MQM then about Altaf as they are Foundation stone so for MQM Unit and Sector the Loyalty to Altaf Hussain was the foremost Criteria while for APMSO loyalty to MQM as a party becomes foremost Criteria.

operation in wazirstan and TTP complains.

operation in Karachi and MQM complains.

clearly both terrorist parties assets being hurt.


secondly in both areas crime and bombings rate going down so yes LEAs are clearly working.

and MQM should instead of crying should support elimination of black sheep in their ranks if THEY REALLY ARE CLEAN