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Time to stop demonisation of Narendra Modi

I got just one word for the title of the thread... NEVER

Every other day a mosque is bombed...nvm, OBL was found in a town very near to GHQ...nvm, 1000s of innocent balochs have been killed..nvm, Every other day there is car bomb going off... nvm, Pakistan regarded as the most dangerous place on earth...nvm, but hey there was a religious riot in INDIA 10 years ago.

I say gtfo !!
 
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Let us stick to GUJARAT...................by bring in 84 it doesn't dilute his dharma.....................
He is responsible being a mute spectator for Godhra and then genocide of innocent Muslims................

Let the courts be the judge of that..
 
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Being a CM he didn't get Intelligence report that such an incident can happen in Godhra..............

Almost of all the bomb blasts in India was preceded by an intelligence warning..how many CMs (other than during 26/11) resigned as a result of this.
 
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Almost of all the bomb blasts in India was preceded by an intelligence warning..how many CMs (other than during 26/11) resigned as a result of this.
This only happens in India.... After all secular India.
 
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self cooked theories...will u please provide the links which claims 3000+ casualities

unoffcial and official data..i've given u both...not pls STFU

That was 10 years ago, but the victims of Gujarat riots are still in dire straits. I posted this article in another thread, but it seems more relevant here:

A dream gone sour
Harsh Mander
March 06, 2011

It’s nine years since many districts across Gujarat were swept by a tornado of hate. Innumerable lives were snuffed out, women and girls brutally raped and killed, and homes and livelihoods destroyed.

Thousands of people fled their homes in mortal fear. But nine years is a long time.
Nature equips the human body and spirit with extraordinary capacities to heal from great injury. Yet, there are some wounds that don’t mend even after a lifetime. I encounter such unhealed suffering among survivors of mass communal violence in Nellie of 1983, Delhi of 1984 and Gujarat of 2002. There is something about the violence of mass hate, which makes its wounds fester even after many others heal.


In villages and towns of Gujarat, survivors have adapted themselves to the everyday reality of second-class citizenship. I estimate that nearly 100,000 people have been permanently ejected and their erstwhile settlements ‘cleansed’ of Muslim residents. A quarter of these internally displaced people endure in austere relief colonies, established after the carnage by various Muslim organisations. The remainder have moved to the safety of numbers in poorly serviced Muslim ghettoes.

Across the state today, I observe what I regard as the ‘Dalitisation’ of the Gujarati Muslim. Like Dalits, Muslims in Gujarat today live in segregated settlements, socially devalued and economically ostracised. They are discriminated against in schools and police stations, deprived of basic public services, discouraged in both private and public employment, and excluded from social intercourse such as wedding and birth celebrations. Dalits have lived with these social and economic disabilities for centuries. But the process of pushing Muslims to the same humiliating margins of Gujarati society as Dalits was compressed into the single past decade. This is the enduring legacy of the politics of hatred and division, which has triumphed in Gujarat. We don’t know if and when this will ever change.

Muslims in Gujarat today don’t live in the expectation of another imminent orgy of mass violence. But they survive daily discrimination as an incontrovertible element of survival. Markers of Muslim identity are fading from Gujarati public life. In many villages, one of the conditions imposed on Muslim residents who wished to return was that the call of the azaan from their mosque should no longer resonate in the village. Auto-rickshaw drivers in every city in the country decorate their rickshaws with symbols of their religious faith (alongside pictures of buxom film actresses). In Ahmedabad, I can estimate that my rickshaw driver is a Muslim only because his rickshaw has no markers of faith. Muslim eateries have adopted culturally-neutral names like Ekta, Tulsi and Jaihind, and no symbols of Muslim faith decorate their walls.

We’re helping hundreds of survivors to fight criminal cases against those who slaughtered, raped and plundered in 2002. But we frequently lose these cases in courts, because many baulk at the last minute from naming their tormentors. They want to see them punished, but calculate that if they are to live in Gujarat they can’t afford to antagonise their neighbours. Some dignify these ‘compromises’ as forgiveness. But in their hearts they know that these are acts of surrender. It’s not easy to feel resigned to see your tormentors walk free on the dusty paths of your village everyday.

Many people who filed charges against their neighbours for the crimes of 2002 found themselves embroiled in false criminal charges, and some even spent months and years in jail. They dropped their charges, as the price to be freed from jail and be relieved from false criminal cases against them. Young Muslim men also live in fear that they will be picked up for terrorist crimes. Many are forced to spend hopeless years behind prison walls on flimsy charges of which they may be acquitted. But who can return to them the lost years of their lives? And of those of their loved ones who wait all these years outside in penury and despair?

It does little to reassure the Muslim citizens of Gujarat that their persisting persecution under his watch hasn’t dimmed the sheen of chief minister Narendra Modi — an icon for legions of his admirers. He is celebrated by virtually every national corporate heavyweight for the rapid economic growth and ‘efficient’ administration offered by his stewardship of Gujarat. Yet, he refuses to apologise for the crimes of the dark months of 2002 and the complicity of his state administration. On the directions of the Supreme Court, his personal role has been investigated — and raises many doubts. His former home minister and senior police officers are in jail for extra-judicial killings. His public speeches are laced with barbs, which taunt and label the Muslim community as regressive, violent and unpatriotic. But these make him not less but more of a hero for millions of his adoring middle-class supporters.

Madhavrao Golwalkar, the second Sarsanghchalak of the RSS from 1940 to 1973, dreamed of an India where religious minorities could live only as second-class citizens. The India of his aspirations can be glimpsed in today’s Gujarat. But the Constitution promised all its citizens a land of equality and fraternity. Its pledges lie in tatters for the Muslim residents of Gujarat, nine years after their massacre stirred the conscience of the people of India. Neither the law of the land nor the legacy of the Mahatma in the land of his birth has secured for the survivors of 2002 justice, security, social dignity and freedom from fear. How many more years will they have to wait?

(Harsh Mander is Director, Centre for Equity Studies)
 
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Disappointed but not entirely surprised by the court's verdict. It would be hard for anyone to prove if the directive to cops to look the other way came from Modi. Can anyone prove if Rajiv asked his followers to commit the riots in 84? The only silent reminder of their guilt is the thousands of innocent lives lost.
 
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thats exactly what i wanted to say...u cannot possibly kill a riot..they are spontaneous..only after-effects are measured to preventit from happening again in future.

Yes but the point is Modi did nothing DURING the riot so whilst the riot may have been spontaneous his actions prolonged it and thus caused further loss of life.

i am all for Modi to be PM he will make a good leader like Vajpayee (Modi was his Pupil as well) Gujarat has a economy growing at over 11% because of NaMo we need that for the nation to push for higher development

In a politicians life both negative and postitive publicity works in their favour , so let oppsition and congress owned mainstream media and newspapers keep ranting about Modi , it will only make him more powerful....

Modi is destined to be the PM of India one or the other day !!!:smitten:
The day Modi becomes PM India's credibility in the world will take a HUGE hit. How can a man accused of allowing ETHNIC CLEANSING be allowed to head a PLURALIST, SECULAR AND DIVERSE nation? Yes he has done impressive things with Gujarati economy but SO WHAT? This does not excuse him of his crimes (atleast not in most people's eyes). So for every 1% in economic growth you will allow Indian citizens to be slaughtered? 100? 1000? 1,000,000?
self cooked theories...will u please provide the links which claims 3000+ casualities

unoffcial and official data..i've given u both...not pls STFU

The numbers are irrelevant, if even 1 Indian citizen (those he is duty bound to protect and serve) was killied/hurt as a direct result of his action/inaction he is guilty of murder or the very least criminally negligence. The fact these are large numbers just makes it worse.


The fact you are arguing about numbers I find rather despicable, these were your fellow countrymen/women EVERY SINGLE life is precious.
 
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Yes but the point is Modi did nothing DURING the riot so whilst the riot may have been spontaneous his actions prolonged it and thus caused further loss of life.




The day Modi becomes PM India's credibility in the world will take a HUGE hit. How can a man accused of allowing ETHNIC CLEANSING be allowed to head a PLURALIST, SECULAR AND DIVERSE nation? Yes he has done impressive things with Gujarati economy but SO WHAT? This does not excuse him of his crimes (atleast not in most people's eyes). So for every 1% in economic growth you will allow Indian citizens to be slaughtered? 100? 1000? 1,000,000?


The numbers are irrelevant, if even 1 Indian citizen (those he is duty bound to protect and serve) was killied/hurt as a direct result of his action/inaction he is guilty of murder or the very least criminally negligence. The fact these are large numbers just makes it worse.


The fact you are arguing about numbers I find rather despicable, these were your fellow countrymen/women EVERY SINGLE life is precious.

I know a fact for sure that the rampaging kar-sevaks had the list of muslim homes acquired from local municipality records. MODI may not have spelled those orders in words but calling the army so late is indicative of his compliance.

Ok lets say MODI was innocent and became the PM. How can you ensure that a person who made the magnanimous mistake of calling in the army so late to quell the riots will not fail again if god forbid such situation arises ? Beware, this time the entire nation may be riot hit for his inability to govern a random mob.

And if MODI could not control some random mob in handful of districts, how can he govern a 1.3Bn large mob ?
 
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Then stop posting ur DEMONcratic **** in a PAKISTANI Forum.
 
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Modi is the only hope for india.
If he is PM they will be no terrorist attacks and economic growth will cross 12%.

Poverty in Gujarat has already been eradicated and will be eradicated in the rest of india if modi is elected PM.

VOTE BJP 2014
 
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That was 10 years ago, but the victims of Gujarat riots are still in dire straits. I posted this article in another thread, but it seems more relevant here:

A dream gone sour
Harsh Mander
March 06, 2011

It’s nine years since many districts across Gujarat were swept by a tornado of hate. Innumerable lives were snuffed out, women and girls brutally raped and killed, and homes and livelihoods destroyed.

Thousands of people fled their homes in mortal fear. But nine years is a long time.
Nature equips the human body and spirit with extraordinary capacities to heal from great injury. Yet, there are some wounds that don’t mend even after a lifetime. I encounter such unhealed suffering among survivors of mass communal violence in Nellie of 1983, Delhi of 1984 and Gujarat of 2002. There is something about the violence of mass hate, which makes its wounds fester even after many others heal.


In villages and towns of Gujarat, survivors have adapted themselves to the everyday reality of second-class citizenship. I estimate that nearly 100,000 people have been permanently ejected and their erstwhile settlements ‘cleansed’ of Muslim residents. A quarter of these internally displaced people endure in austere relief colonies, established after the carnage by various Muslim organisations. The remainder have moved to the safety of numbers in poorly serviced Muslim ghettoes.

Across the state today, I observe what I regard as the ‘Dalitisation’ of the Gujarati Muslim. Like Dalits, Muslims in Gujarat today live in segregated settlements, socially devalued and economically ostracised. They are discriminated against in schools and police stations, deprived of basic public services, discouraged in both private and public employment, and excluded from social intercourse such as wedding and birth celebrations. Dalits have lived with these social and economic disabilities for centuries. But the process of pushing Muslims to the same humiliating margins of Gujarati society as Dalits was compressed into the single past decade. This is the enduring legacy of the politics of hatred and division, which has triumphed in Gujarat. We don’t know if and when this will ever change.

Muslims in Gujarat today don’t live in the expectation of another imminent orgy of mass violence. But they survive daily discrimination as an incontrovertible element of survival. Markers of Muslim identity are fading from Gujarati public life. In many villages, one of the conditions imposed on Muslim residents who wished to return was that the call of the azaan from their mosque should no longer resonate in the village. Auto-rickshaw drivers in every city in the country decorate their rickshaws with symbols of their religious faith (alongside pictures of buxom film actresses). In Ahmedabad, I can estimate that my rickshaw driver is a Muslim only because his rickshaw has no markers of faith. Muslim eateries have adopted culturally-neutral names like Ekta, Tulsi and Jaihind, and no symbols of Muslim faith decorate their walls.

We’re helping hundreds of survivors to fight criminal cases against those who slaughtered, raped and plundered in 2002. But we frequently lose these cases in courts, because many baulk at the last minute from naming their tormentors. They want to see them punished, but calculate that if they are to live in Gujarat they can’t afford to antagonise their neighbours. Some dignify these ‘compromises’ as forgiveness. But in their hearts they know that these are acts of surrender. It’s not easy to feel resigned to see your tormentors walk free on the dusty paths of your village everyday.

Many people who filed charges against their neighbours for the crimes of 2002 found themselves embroiled in false criminal charges, and some even spent months and years in jail. They dropped their charges, as the price to be freed from jail and be relieved from false criminal cases against them. Young Muslim men also live in fear that they will be picked up for terrorist crimes. Many are forced to spend hopeless years behind prison walls on flimsy charges of which they may be acquitted. But who can return to them the lost years of their lives? And of those of their loved ones who wait all these years outside in penury and despair?

It does little to reassure the Muslim citizens of Gujarat that their persisting persecution under his watch hasn’t dimmed the sheen of chief minister Narendra Modi — an icon for legions of his admirers. He is celebrated by virtually every national corporate heavyweight for the rapid economic growth and ‘efficient’ administration offered by his stewardship of Gujarat. Yet, he refuses to apologise for the crimes of the dark months of 2002 and the complicity of his state administration. On the directions of the Supreme Court, his personal role has been investigated — and raises many doubts. His former home minister and senior police officers are in jail for extra-judicial killings. His public speeches are laced with barbs, which taunt and label the Muslim community as regressive, violent and unpatriotic. But these make him not less but more of a hero for millions of his adoring middle-class supporters.

Madhavrao Golwalkar, the second Sarsanghchalak of the RSS from 1940 to 1973, dreamed of an India where religious minorities could live only as second-class citizens. The India of his aspirations can be glimpsed in today’s Gujarat. But the Constitution promised all its citizens a land of equality and fraternity. Its pledges lie in tatters for the Muslim residents of Gujarat, nine years after their massacre stirred the conscience of the people of India. Neither the law of the land nor the legacy of the Mahatma in the land of his birth has secured for the survivors of 2002 justice, security, social dignity and freedom from fear. How many more years will they have to wait?

(Harsh Mander is Director, Centre for Equity Studies)




Why wont you address the issue of hindus in Pakistan and how they live in fear, their daughters kidnapped, failure of the poiice to register any complaints,, etc.

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Modi is the only hope for india.
If he is PM they will be no terrorist attacks and economic growth will cross 12%.

Poverty in Gujarat has already been eradicated and will be eradicated in the rest of india if modi is elected PM.

VOTE BJP 2014




Modi is someone I don;t mind voting for but every other member needs to be booted including the likes of Gahari, Advani, etc. If Modi wants a shot at winning, drop the BJP and float his own independent party

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Then stop posting ur DEMONcratic **** in a PAKISTANI Forum.


You stop your ************************************************ and Ill post whatever I want in any forum I feel like, go it?
 
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