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You're right but killing your own generals and other officers will help enemy only.There should be strict monitoring in your military and anyone planning to rebel should be executed.Like in Pakistan we have Military Intelligence Wing which take care of these things and keep an eye on people within the Army.MI saved entire leadership of Pakistan Army in 1980's i think when some over zealous general was thinking about assassination the entire leadership and then again same thing in 1994 but MI saved Army leadership.
 
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Eastwatch,yes a pretty long post indeed.

And you have yourself mentioned quite a few "whys" and "mights" in your analysis so I will desist from commenting.

I am no expert in BD affairs. I posted on this thread as I saw an article getting unnecessarily used for India bashing by people who couldn't even read the article fully and grasp what was mentioned. Hope you see my point.
Politics at the upper level is very nasty. We the normal people think everything in a smple way. But, the army generals are always there to get control over other countries' affairs. I do not necessarily blame India for whatever it used to do to influence the affairs of BD.

Considering the history of Indian involvement in our liberation war, similar covert operations were not unexpected. But, today our democracy and our armed forces are much stronger. It may not be possible any more for India to covertly influence our affairs as it happened in the past.

However, AL policy is again dividing the nation, and paving the way for influence across the border. But, I also understand that for every AL action, there will be an equal and opposite reaction from the BD population.
 
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Politics at the upper level is very nasty. We the normal people think everything in a smple way. But, the army generals are always there to get control over other countries' affairs. I do not necessarily blame India for whatever it used to do to influence the affairs of BD.

Considering the history of Indian involvement in our liberation war, similar covert operations were not unexpected. But, today our democracy and our armed forces are much stronger. It may not be possible any more for India to covertly influence our affairs as it happened in the past.

However, AL policy is again dividing the nation, and paving the way for influence across the border. But, I also understand that for every AL action, there will be an equal and opposite reaction from the BD population.

I understand that many a times political events are beyond what they seem on the surface. I also understand that BD intelligentsia resent India's (sometimes) big brother attitude. I got a first hand expereince in my convos with a BD guy doing his doctorate from JNU in Delhi who was my neighbour. He was pretty vocal on what he saw as Indian influence in BD affairs, echos of which I often see amongst BD members on this forum.

If AL is indeed ought to divide BD I guess they will be defeated in the next election. I hope that turns out to be the case if it leads to a stable BD and in effect a stable region.
 
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Could not be that India was behind him? Ershad was sent to Deradun sometime in 1972 for a specialized training. There Indians came to understand the mind of this soft-speaking alcoholic General, who would do any crime for power and win over a woman.

So, he might have been chosen as an would be successor to BD throne at that juncture. India was just waiting for an opportune time. Every one knows India disliked Zia because he was distancing BD from India and was getting closer to China and Pakistan. India certainly did not see these developments very kindly.

But, then people would ask why Awami League went against Ershad in the late 80s and dethroned him if he was India's choice. Well, this post is not to ponder about that question.

Sorry for the long post.


A good number of Ershad's family members live in West Bengal and are Indians.Some writers like Zainal Abedin openly termed him as an Indian agent.
I don't know he was agent or not,but surely had lots of connection with India.This in turn gives birth to the theory that he was an Indian Puppet.
 
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IIf AL is indeed ought to divide BD I guess they will be defeated in the next election. I hope that turns out to be the case if it leads to a stable BD and in effect a stable region.
Politics is always 'Today it is the garland of flowers, but tomorrow it is of torn shoes.' This is more true for Bangladesh. In a free and fair election, BD population have always expressed their dissatisfaction against a ruling Party.

Ruling Parties always think that the last election was the final one and the electorates have given thier final verdict. But, usually they are defeated in the next one. Politicians should be visioneries to see the future and to forsee the result of their activities in the next election. But, our politicians with low IQ see a colourful future only.

History always repeats itself, but our politicians never learn from the mistakes of their adverseries nor from their own. Late President Zia remains in the hearts of almost all the BD population. If AL touches him, then there will be a strong anti-AL repercussion.
 
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What was Zia's role during the 1971 war?

I expect someone else to give you an elaborate answer to your question. My short answer is as follows:

Zia was a Major in the Paksitan Army working in the East Bengal Regiment. He was stationed at the Chittagong Cantonment when the liberation struggle started. Important AL leaders were in flight to save their lives, and Sheikh Mujib HAD NOT declared independence of Bangladesh. So, people were disoriented.

In lieu of this, the Bangali Police in the Razarbaag HQ in Dhaka raised against the much superior Pakistan Army when the latter attacked on the early morning of 26th March, 1971. Police had only .303 rifles to repulse machine gun attacks by the military. Many hundreds of them perished. At least 10,000 people were killed in Dhaka on that night.

Since there was no explicit declaration of independence from Sk. Mujib or any other leaders, it made East Bengal Regiment troops, East Pakistan Rifles' Bangali troops, Police, Ansars (militias) and population quite disoriented. They just did not know what the Bangali political leadership intended to do.

This was a time when Yahya Khan had already moved about 25,000 to 30,000 Bangali troops to west Pakistan and under the plan of Pakistan Army the remainder in the east were to be systematically killed after being disarmed.

Since there was no central command structure against the occupation of Pakistan Army, therefore, it was going to be a one-sided slaughtering of Bangali armed men. In such a critical time, Chittagong AL leaders were trying to seek supports from Bangali troops in the Cantonement.

And Major Zia was the person who, upon request and after giving due consideration to all the aspects, came forward and declared for an independent Bangladesh. He made two different declarations. The first one said of a Bangladesh Provisional Governmet under his command. But, when the Chittagong AL leaders protested that it cannot be accepted, he changed the statement something as follows:

"I, Major Ziaur Rahman, hereby declare the independence of Bangladesh on behalf of our great leader Bangabandhu Sheikh Mujibur Rahman."

This much-awaited declaration worked as a magic to the population and the armed men. When they found that East Bengal Regiment troops are supporting the independence, they started to moblize themselves with whatever weapons, including bamboo sticks, they could master to fight against the occupation army.

It also happened that before Pakistan army could capture and kill the Bangali army, EPR troops, Police and Ansars, this declaration allowed them to distance themselves from the west Pakistani troops and thus save their lives. Only because of participation by these Bangali troops it was easy for us to fight. Ordinary Muktis were under their command.

So, Ziaur Rahman's cotribution was a major factor that the initial political resistance could be transformed into an armed struggle to liberate the country. Without this timely declaration, most of the Bangali troops would have been killed, and even if then AL wanted to continue the war it would have to fully depend upon India.

However, population would not have supported that kind of dependence upon India at that initial stage. So, it is very difficult to forecast an outcome of our liberation war if Zia's timely declaration was not made. It can also be said that the war could not have progressed without EBR troops leading it.

Sorry, it was supposed to be a short answer, but became a little lengthy. However, you will admit that it is shorter than a hundred page book on this topic.

By the way, Zia was one of the nine Sector Commanders of the Liberation War, and afterwards became the President of Bangladesh. He was a good administrator, at par with President Ayub Khan.
 
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Always here for our brothers on east side :P if you know what I mean :pakistan::china:

3 Prone COOPERATion
 
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It's open secret that Bharat and local gaddar element were behind the assassination of general zia becasue it was zia who rescued us from becoming sikkim. He also made BD part of greater ummah.

Terrorist bharat behind the down fall of islamic rooted BNP-jamat in last election with help of another gaddar dog moeen and sold out bharati paid media that constantly spread Propaganda to dilute people mind about BNP-Jamat.

Is it any wonder why bharati praise low life mujib, la-hasina and mushrik inspired awami yet hate zia, Begum Zia, BNP and jamat?

By god if we can come to state power next time around then no gaddar will be around to collaborate with mushrik. :sniper:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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