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Time is running short for "drone strikes" in Pakistan!

Droning about drones
Ejaz Haider



In Davos, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani has again spoken out against US drone attacks in FATA and the NWFP, saying these attacks are counter-productive. Neither the statement nor the logic is new.

Much the same has been said by President Asif Zardari. He too continues to voice this refrain. In fact, almost all top Pakistani officials have voiced opposition to US drone attacks. Everyone also denies the government knows about these attacks or has tacitly agreed to them.

US officials, both in the previous Bush administration and now in the Obama administration, insist Pakistan knows about these strikes. At a January 27 hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates made clear that the drone attacks would continue. Gates also told Committee Chairman Senator Carl Levin that the decision had been conveyed to the Pakistani government.

From the American angle, drone attacks make eminent sense for several reasons.

Reports indicate the strikes have mostly been successful against high-value Al Qaeda-Taliban targets. That shows that US intelligence capability is increasing in terms both of credibility as well as actionability.

There are two obvious benchmarks for the success ratio of these strikes: the US has chosen to ignore Pakistani complaints; change of administration has made no difference to a policy directive issued by former President Bush.

Successful drone strikes mean no loss to US troops; they preclude the need for the US to mount elaborate extraction operations or raids in hostile territory. The strikes keep the Al Qaeda-Taliban leadership on the run, makes them suspicious of people around them, keeps them guessing about the extent of US intelligence penetration and creates fear among those harbouring them.

Suspicion, uncertainty and fear are not morale boosters.

If these attacks weren’t bagging the prize, Washington would have begun the process of falling in line with Pakistan’s sentiments. But they are effective, at least to the point where, having done the complex cost-benefit maths, America is prepared to ignore Pakistani complaints.

So far we have assumed that Pakistan is not in on these strikes.

I doubt that assumption very much (see Ejaz Haider, “Implausible deniability”; Daily Times, November 21, 2008).

Ideally, the US could have improved the optics and made it easier for Islamabad by providing the latter the UCAV (Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle) capability. But for various reasons it hasn’t done so, not least because of lack of trust on both sides. It told Islamabad that it would strike high-value targets wherever it may find them. Islamabad has the option to either own up to them or deny that it is in the loop.

For political reasons, Islamabad seems to have taken the latter course — i.e. the Americans are doing it without our knowledge. There may be “technical” truth in this insofar as while the US has informed Pakistan that it would make such strikes, it doesn’t tell Pakistan where and when it is going to strike.

This is the only way of reconciling Pakistan’s position (we don’t know) with the US position (we have told them). It doesn’t matter that Pakistan’s “we don’t know” refers to, if at all, lack of knowledge about specific strikes rather than full knowledge of the general condition that such strikes will be made.

The logic that such strikes are counter-productive is nothing but dissembling. They in fact complement ground operations.

As I wrote in the above-referred article: “...successful counter-insurgency [ops]...require operating at two levels: fighting against and mopping up insurgents’ strongholds on the ground and taking out their leadership through strikes, mostly clandestine. To be effective, both sets of operations need effective intelligence... Since ground operations against leadership that is constantly on the move, is scattered or is well-protected can be costly, missile strikes are a better option.”

Some element of deniability would have been okay, but the “lady doth protest too much, methinks”. Why?

One reason could be that Islamabad is really not in the loop on this; also, that it does genuinely think these strikes are counter-productive.

The other reason could be that it wants to have greater frequency of protest than the number of strikes, this being for political and diplomatic reasons.

If it’s the first, then it has already protested too much and needs to do something beyond summoning the US ambassador and issuing a demarche. Start putting those red lines one by one and see where it leads.

And does it really think these strikes are counter-productive?

It is important to note here that the way in which the protest is being mounted conflates the issue of striking from the air with that of the strikes being mounted by a foreign country. This creates confusion. If drone/aerial strikes are counter-productive per se, then leaving aside the problem of sovereignty, does it matter who makes them. Pakistan, mounting those strikes, if it had the capability, would be adding no value to its counter-insurgency effort.

Something tells me that is not the case, we would be happy to strike if we had the UCAVs. So are the Americans.

And if we are in on the general, if not the specifics, then is it a good policy to protest too much, indeed more than may be required? No.


Invoking sovereignty National Assembly-style can be dangerous in Pakistan. Already the parliamentary committee on national security has condemned these attacks and asked the new American administration to stop these attacks. Speeches laced with platitudes are mouthed and passions aroused. No real attempt is made to either get expert input on policy options or to debate issue(s) dispassionately.

Add to this the folly of pushing through with a policy of denial that just doesn’t wash and the situation becomes ridiculous. If you are in but can’t own up, play it down.

If you are not, play it down still unless you can play it right up to the sky and into the tail of the UCAV
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Ejaz Haider is Op-Ed Editor of Daily Times and Consulting Editor of The Friday Times. He can be reached at sapper@dailytimes.com.pk
 
If I could respond to that, I dont mind a few civilians dying in ANY CAUSE if it is for a greater good.... Call it Principle of Greater Good if you will, but I dont mind... honestly, I dont...

So why don't you and your family move to Waziristan??

I am sure you will start to mind
 
"NO ... to shoot down a bloody drone and face the enemy as a united nation!"

Leading the charge from Canada, are you?

You couldn't be closer, big guy. We're right next door. Why don't you set an example?

In fact, given your brave talk, how can you not?

Don't worry, when the time will come I will be in Pakistan supporting our troops and this will not be the first time ... Pakistanis are not like Americans who don't care where US Army operates as long as they get to enjoy a six pack over the weekend ...

Everything is jittery in Pakistan but we still love Pakistan and will stand up to the agression ... Pakistan wanted to see how Mr. Obama is going to be different and we have our answer ...
 
The logic that killing some innocent civilians doesn't matter is absurd not to mention hypocritical, and in fact reduces the attacker to the level of the "barbaric" suicide bomber that blows himself/herself up in a crowded market place while targeting one or two enemy troops.

It is even worse, given the sophisticated technology at the disposal of the missile striker versus the rudimentary equipment and limited movement restricting the suicide bomber. Killing innocent people is a war crime, it's hypocrisy, and it's terrorism. Doesn't matter if they're collateral damage or from a suicide bomber.

As for the "greater good", hitting one or two targets is of no greater good. This is a stealth war, if it really is a genuine WoT, one where force alone won't win anything. Blowing up one or two Arabs (who are in no short supply) and then lots of innocent people won't achieve very much.
 
The logic that killing some innocent civilians doesn't matter is absurd not to mention hypocritical, and in fact reduces the attacker to the level of the "barbaric" suicide bomber that blows himself/herself up in a crowded market place while targeting one or two enemy troops. .

I disagree, because a suicide bomber is not working to find a solution to the problem but he himself is the problem.

On the other hand, sometimes violence is necessary in order to achieve peace.

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It is even worse, given the sophisticated technology at the disposal of the missile striker versus the rudimentary equipment and limited movement restricting the suicide bomber. Killing innocent people is a war crime, it's hypocrisy, and it's terrorism. Doesn't matter if they're collateral damage or from a suicide bomber. .

Well then in that case all the armies of the world should disband immediately because its immoral.

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As for the "greater good", hitting one or two targets is of no greater good. This is a stealth war, if it really is a genuine WoT, one where force alone won't win anything. Blowing up one or two Arabs (who are in no short supply) and then lots of innocent people won't achieve very much.

That is true - the collateral damage should not perpetuate the violence by creating more hatred in the bargain.
 
It is not proven that the "innocents", so-called, are not, in fact the family members of terriorists themselves, or the family members of the hosts of terrorists. if you choose to give refuge to a murderer and are killed because of your complicity, YOU are responsible for the deaths of your family. Most of the reports of drone strikes always note that "militants" rush to the scene, control access, and cart off bodies to who knows where. The actual number of "innocent" people killed is highly in doubt. If the people involved were truly concerned with giving the Pakistani Government the credible information needed to confront the Americans over these drone strikes, they would let the Pakistani authorities investigate without fear or favor. They don't. They like the hysteria that the Pakistani press whips over these actions. It serves their purposes.
 
I disagree, because a suicide bomber is not working to find a solution to the problem but he himself is the problem.

On the other hand, sometimes violence is necessary in order to achieve peace.

Well this means that Kashmiri mujahideens are doing the right thing ... their idea of peace is a united Kashmir which is free from Indian occupation ...
 
Well this means that Kashmiri mujahideens are doing the right thing ... their idea of peace is a united Kashmir which is free from Indian occupation ...

Their idea is wrong in the first place, so lets understand that before we get into methods.
 
It is not proven that the "innocents", so-called, are not, in fact the family members of terriorists themselves, or the family members of the hosts of terrorists. if you choose to give refuge to a murderer and are killed because of your complicity, YOU are responsible for the deaths of your family. Most of the reports of drone strikes always note that "militants" rush to the scene, control access, and cart off bodies to who knows where. The actual number of "innocent" people killed is highly in doubt. If the people involved were truly concerned with giving the Pakistani Government the credible information needed to confront the Americans over these drone strikes, they would let the Pakistani authorities investigate without fear or favor. They don't. They like the hysteria that the Pakistani press whips over these actions. It serves their purposes.

5 year old children are not innocent now? Riiiiiggghhhhhtttttt :crazy:
 
Their idea is wrong in the first place, so lets understand that before we get into methods.

So it is only fair when you call it fair?

If their idea is wrong then you are a supporter of people who killed Bhagat Singh, Sukh Dev and Raj Guru (All of them close to my heart).
 
5 year old children are not innocent now? Riiiiiggghhhhhtttttt :crazy:

The five year old is innocent. But his death in a drone strike was caused by his parent for putting him in harm's way. Civilized soldiers do not hide themselves with their children. Terrorists who do that know that they are putting their children at risk and, I think, welcome the sacrifice of their children for Allah.
 
The five year old is innocent. But his death in a drone strike was caused by his parent for putting him in harm's way.

What a ridiculously idiotic Israeli logic type of quote.

Children do exist even in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Some parents are too poor to move, or too unhealthy to do so. Some of them do not believe they are with any form of militant, just another local, or an Arab that fought the Soviets. There is nothing to stop a child from being in the vicinity, and not bothering to notice one is a sheer act of terrorism.

In most cases, there is nothing more than an ALLEGATION of a militant. There's been no definite proof that militant existed for much more than half of these cold blooded murderous drone strikes.
 
What a ridiculously idiotic Israeli logic type of quote.

Children do exist even in Afghanistan or Pakistan. Some parents are too poor to move, or too unhealthy to do so. Some of them do not believe they are with any form of militant, just another local, or an Arab that fought the Soviets. There is nothing to stop a child from being in the vicinity, and not bothering to notice one is a sheer act of terrorism.

In most cases, there is nothing more than an ALLEGATION of a militant.

To follow your logic, the Pakistani Army or other security forces should all stay in their barracks. Because WHATEVER action they take MIGHT kill a five year old. Such thinking would give free rein to any criminal or anti-government militant to do as they please since THEY don't care WHATEVER about the five year old. Get a grip! War is hell and some innocents get killed. A lot of innocents get killed in traffic accidents too, but, we still have to drive cars and trucks to get on with life. The point is the killing of "innocents" is EXAGGERATED for political effect by the miscreants and YOU are supporting them with your "sympathy".
 
To follow your logic, the Pakistani Army or other security forces should all stay in their barracks. Because WHATEVER action they take MIGHT kill a five year old. Such thinking would give free rein to any criminal or anti-government militant to do as they please since THEY don't care WHATEVER about the five year old. Get a grip! War is hell and some innocents get killed. A lot of innocents get killed in traffic accidents too, but, we still have to drive cars and trucks to get on with life. The point is the killing of "innocents" is EXAGGERATED for political effect by the miscreants and YOU are supporting them with your "sympathy".
it's because of people like you, america is the center focus of hate around the world. Oh wait a minute! almost everyone I meet is like you, monstrous, savage beasts that only pleasure in killing people. there is absolutely no excuse for any innocent to be killed in any conflict, when it comes to your forces, the killing is pretty much intentional.

you disgust me, along with your other hardcore redneck fanatics that feed off of innocent blood being spilt all over the world. everytime I turn the freaking channel, I see rednecks like you on FOX news, screaming how "mozlems" should be wiped out.

it's amazing, how you can kill millions of people in Europe, Iraq, Afghanistan, Japan, Vietnam, Phillipines, and other places we can't even remember, and drop two atomic bombs and wipe out entire cities, not even sparing the babies recently born in hospitals. yet you still claim to have morals and try to enforce your ideology over others. absolutely disgusting...
 
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