Time for Vietnam to join the NATO?

[bshifter]

If China continues on an aggressive path there will be anti-China alliance.

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, India, New Zealand and Australia are prime candidates to join such an alliance. It will take US political and military backing for such an alliance to materialize.


typical chinese logic ... the elephant in the room is China


Vietnamese army + US Air Force would wreck any Chinese invading army

Non Chinese here said the same thing about the stupidity of that guy, nothing to do with Chinese logic.

Do you mean the same Vietnamese army that wrecked the US invading force decades ago?

 

[khansaheeb]

China is number one security threat. So sees the US. So does the Nato. So Vietnam.
We can leave it as Nato.
85 percent of Vietnamese support a US military alliance.
Turkey wants to leave.
So there is a vacant place.

Not sure when you were born or what nationality you are but if you are truly Vietnamese then you would know that: Guenter Lewy in 1978 estimated 1,353,000 total deaths in North and South Vietnam during the period 1965–1974 in which the U.S. was most engaged in the war.

hundreds of thousands of your women were turned into prostitutes and concubines and hundreds of thousands taken for the sex trade to the US when Saigon collapsed.

 

[Dai Toruko]

Has China recently released military pressure on Vietnam? I don't remember. The only move that has anything to do with Vietnam is China building a new government ship, 200,000 tons.But there are no big weapons on it.

Relax, man.

Their history of fighting (successfully) against the French, the Japanese, the French again, the US, and China in order to secure their independence and territorial integrity is almost unmatched in the 20th century.
One should not overlook the fact that the Vietnamese were also responsible for the ousting of a genocidal and insane ruler named Pol Pot in Cambodia, who happened to be a Chinese ally, and whom the Chinese supported. This was the primary reason why China attacked Vietnam in 1979 at a time when a substantial part of the PAVN was in Cambodia. The Chinese regulars ran into the Vietnamese militia and received a savage mauling. If Vietnam received sufficient modern military equipment from either Russia or the US, along with naval support, I rather doubt that the Chinese would find it feasible to overrun and hold Vietnam. After all, off and on they've tried for around 1000 years to do this without much success.

 

[nahtanbob]

Non Chinese here said the same thing about the stupidity of that guy, nothing to do with Chinese logic.

Do you mean the same Vietnamese army that wrecked the US invading force decades ago?

Losing a million soldiers to kill 57,000 of your enemy is not my idea of wrecking

 

[bshifter]

Losing a million soldiers to kill 57,000 of your enemy is not my idea of wrecking

Who lost a million soldiers and to whom? Be more specific and do not forget to add trustworthy sources for everyone here to confirm. But we do know the Vietnamese and US army fear the Chinese soldiers more than anything. There are enough references in historical books, Korean War and the many battles Vietnamese lost to Chinese.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Losing a million soldiers to kill 57,000 of your enemy is not my idea of wrecking

It wasn't Vietnam vs. US. It was North Vietnam vs. South Vietnam + US. How many were lost by South Vietnam?

 

[Beast]

Let's not get angry over a fake vietnamese comment who is holding a german passport sitting thousands of km away from vietnam.

 

[Place Of Space]

If China continues on an aggressive path there will be anti-China alliance.

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, India, New Zealand and Australia are prime candidates to join such an alliance. It will take US political and military backing for such an alliance to materialize.


typical chinese logic ... the elephant in the room is China


Vietnamese army + US Air Force would wreck any Chinese invading army

After WWII, Europe was totally destroyed, millions of people have no food, no rooms, no jobs. This is background Marshall plan came out, America controlled Europe, and NATO founded. In short, the dying Europe had no option at all.
The most Asian countries still have choice today. This is very difficult for America. The only chance for America is making the area unstable. But dangerous situtation is not beneficial to those countries. On the other hand, America had wiped out Asia economy once in 1997 Asian Financial Crisis. America can hardly provide something to your ally nowadays while you want to use those countries.
China will not just sit and wait your attack. Don't forget Chinese annual military expenditure is taking 1.3% of GDP so far. After USA make together an aggressive alliance, China will rise it to 2-4%, this will make airforce and navy greatly grow. China even can think about Putin's indication of China-Russia ally. One effective ally is better than a herd of crowds.
On tactical level, China-Russia will choose one of your alliance as target, this country will be continuesly attacked, this unfortunate wretch will be bleeding always, we will make this country an unbearable burden to America till it fails.

 

[艹艹艹]

 

[nahtanbob]

After WWII, Europe was totally destroyed, millions of people have no food, no rooms, no jobs. This is background Marshall plan came out, America controlled Europe, and NATO founded. In short, the dying Europe had no option at all.
The most Asian countries still have choice today. This is very difficult for America. The only chance for America is making the area unstable. But dangerous situtation is not beneficial to those countries. On the other hand, America had wiped out Asia economy once in 1997 Asian Financial Crisis. America can hardly provide something to your ally nowadays while you want to use those countries.
China will not just sit and wait your attack. Don't forget Chinese annual military expenditure is taking 1.3% of GDP so far. After USA make together an aggressive alliance, China will rise it to 2-4%, this will make airforce and navy greatly grow. China even can think about Putin's indication of China-Russia ally. One effective ally is better than a herd of crowds.
On tactical level, China-Russia will choose one of your alliance as target, this country will be continuesly attacked, this unfortunate wretch will be bleeding always, we will make this country an unbearable burden to America till it fails.

Russia has nothing to gain from China alliance. Russian conflict of interests are in Europe which China is no position to help

1% or 5% of GDP - China cannot attack any country without getting attacked back.

The collection of countries for potential anti-China alliance is large - USA, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, India, New Zealand and Australia

 

[Place Of Space]

Their history of fighting (successfully) against the French, the Japanese, the French again, the US, and China in order to secure their independence and territorial integrity is almost unmatched in the 20th century.
One should not overlook the fact that the Vietnamese were also responsible for the ousting of a genocidal and insane ruler named Pol Pot in Cambodia, who happened to be a Chinese ally, and whom the Chinese supported. This was the primary reason why China attacked Vietnam in 1979 at a time when a substantial part of the PAVN was in Cambodia. The Chinese regulars ran into the Vietnamese militia and received a savage mauling. If Vietnam received sufficient modern military equipment from either Russia or the US, along with naval support, I rather doubt that the Chinese would find it feasible to overrun and hold Vietnam. After all, off and on they've tried for around 1000 years to do this without much success.

Pol Pot was supported by America and Thailand in the first place for countering Vietnam. Laos had not "Pol Pot", it was occupied by Vietnam too, don't make this vain execues.

Russia has nothing to gain from China alliance. Russian conflict of interests are in Europe which China is no position to help

1% or 5% of GDP - China cannot attack any country without getting attacked back.

The collection of countries for potential anti-China alliance is large - USA, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, India, New Zealand and Australia

The back of Europe ally and Pacific ally are America. You may know Russian national emblem is two eagles. He played geopolitcs for hundreds of years. America power is not overwhelming, when you put more power in Asia, you will reduce it in Europe, the countrrary is like this way too. Russia and China can both gain a lot.

The alliance looks large, but they all have brain, they are not your robot. The larger your alliance is, the more you have to pay. We know this, China had a dozen of ally in the past. No matter how large your alliance is, China-Russia ally will only choose one target, where America can't give up and have to continusely supply blood transfusion.

 

[8888888888888]

Not going to work, there used to be an Asian Nato but N Vietnam proved that it’s toothless so it was dissolved when China became a USA ally in the 70s.

 

[Viet]

Pol Pot was supported by America and Thailand in the first place for countering Vietnam. Laos had not "Pol Pot", it was occupied by Vietnam too, don't make this vain execues.


The back of Europe ally and Pacific ally are America. You may know Russian national emblem is two eagles. He played geopolitcs for hundreds of years. America power is not overwhelming, when you put more power in Asia, you will reduce it in Europe, the countrrary is like this way too. Russia and China can both gain a lot.

The alliance looks large, but they all have brain, they are not your robot. The larger your alliance is, the more you have to pay. We know this, China had a dozen of ally in the past. No matter how large your alliance is, China-Russia ally will only choose one target, where America can't give up and have to continusely supply blood transfusion.

The US support came later.
Pol Pot was supported and militarily armed by communist China. We knew the goal was clear: to encircle Vietnam from the western flank. Ten thousands of chinese military advisers were arrested and sent to prison camp when Cambodia fell.

 

[donkeykong]

U can join when u become a democracy

 

[S10]

YES!! Join NATO please.

Now is it time for Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates to give me all their money? I think it is.