Time for Pakistanis to put Pakistan first

[53fd]

I think the U.S. is trying something new, trying to get the terror groups out from under the thumb of the ISI's tutelage. Like in Iraq where the U.S. did manage to pry most Sunni militants away from the embrace of Al-Qaeda.

But what happened to the 'we don't negotiate with the terrorists' motto? What happened to all the criticism of Pakistan in brokering peace deals in Swat, & Kurram recently? Especially when America is doing the same thing in South & North Afghanistan with different Taliban factions? What's with the double dealing, lying & the hypocrisy?

America says it does not want to endanger Pakistan, as an unstable Pakistan leads to an unstable region. But all its actions have been destabilizing Pakistan, whether that is killing innocent tribals, or letting hundreds of Afghan terrorists infiltrate into Pakistan from Afghan safe havens.

 

[Solomon2]

But what happened to the 'we don't negotiate with the terrorists' motto?

Apparently the U.S. is trying to negotiate with middle management, not the string-pullers in the ISI. (But Gates says he doesn't really know if they are the real thing or just "pretenders" as in the Baradur case last year.)

 

[harberjeet singh]

americans want Pakistanis to attack haqqani,make him an enemy so that america can few weeks later make friends with haqqani,just like india

america wants Pakistan to make more and more enemies even with its own citizens.
dollar has its wonders

 

[S.M.R]

The Islamists need to flock to Saudi Arabia or Somalia if they want to put loyalty towards Pakistan down their "priority list". The HT members are delusional with their ambitions of "restoring the caliphate", & they need to start putting Pakistan before the "Muslim Ummah" (aka breeding grounds for the Taliban). The Taliban are keen on implementing & enforcing their distorted version of Islamic Shariah onto the people, against the wishes of the people. There are certain non-violent secular Pakistanis as well that do not want to defend this nation (critical viewpoints are allowed & encouraged, but protecting the interests of Pakistan should be the number one priority). Both extremes need to prioritize their loyalties towards Pakistan, but my thread is primarily aimed at the religiously intolerant group that resorts to violent extremism, in an effort to restore a distorted version of Islamism, that works against the interests of Pakistan. As a Muslim, I believe that it is my primary responsibility to defend my country, & I shall do it from everyone acting against it, whether that is religious extremists or the secularists.

Don't worry bilal, they will not succeed in their so called 'islamic mission'. As liberal pakistanis do not give an ear to what they say. As long as they are able to get arms and ammunition easily, they will continue with the 'violent mission' to impose their thoughts on others. We need to cut off their supply line, which is mainly from the afghan-pak unsecured border. The anti-pakistani forces are using them for their own interests, i.e. destruction of Pakistan. And these extremists, simply accept the foreign help with a theory in their mind that the 'foreign hand' is in fact helping them to achieve their goal of 'islamic state'.

 

[khurasaan1]

It is America that has negotiated (& is further negotiating) peace deals with terrorists in Afghanistan.

Yea! so US is terrorist too, who trying to make deal with the terrorists....

 

[khurasaan1]

Apparently the U.S. is trying to negotiate with middle management, not the string-pullers in the ISI. (But Gates says he doesn't really know if they are the real thing or just "pretenders" as in the Baradur case last year.)

Keep on doing new experiments ...but u guyz will lead to no where except distruction.....cuz making deals with terrorists is a disaster....making ureself terrorist too.....

 

[Icarus]

Apparently the U.S. is trying to negotiate with middle management, not the string-pullers in the ISI. (But Gates says he doesn't really know if they are the real thing or just "pretenders" as in the Baradur case last year.)

That's a pretty tall claim, one which the world's best intel agencies have failed to prove, what makes you so sure that the string pullers are in fact ISI ?

 

[khurasaan1]

But what happened to the 'we don't negotiate with the terrorists' motto? What happened to all the criticism of Pakistan in brokering peace deals in Swat, & Kurram recently? Especially when America is doing the same thing in South & North Afghanistan with different Taliban factions? What's with the double dealing, lying & the hypocrisy?

America says it does not want to endanger Pakistan, as an unstable Pakistan leads to an unstable region. But all its actions have been destabilizing Pakistan, whether that is killing innocent tribals, or letting hundreds of Afghan terrorists infiltrate into Pakistan from Afghan safe havens.

Everything is quite clear in broad daylight that US is itself a biggest terrorist , now dont wanna fight with them....is a hypocrite

 

[53fd]

That's a pretty tall claim, one which the world's best intel agencies have failed to prove, what makes you so sure that the string pullers are in fact ISI ?

In fact, it can equally well be argued that the CIA are the string pullers in the north Afghanistan safe havens that are used by Afghan terrorists to infiltrate into Pakistan.

 

[53fd]

Apparently the U.S. is trying to negotiate with middle management, not the string-pullers in the ISI. (But Gates says he doesn't really know if they are the real thing or just "pretenders" as in the Baradur case last year.)

America can leave the region whenever it wants, it has no real stakes in the region. Pakistan cannot change Afghanistan as its neighbor. Pakistan has to suffer the consequences of the US actions inside Afghanistan everyday.

 

[Patriot]

1= tel US to mind there own business
2= mutual defense pact with china
3= mutual defense pact with iran
4= mutual defense pact with turkey
5= get out of WOT
6= talk to those who are pakistani and crush the rest of terrorist
7= take the PA out of civilian areas
8= make it compulsory for every 18 to 21 year old to serve in armed forces for 3 years
9= declare a first use of nukes policy
10= push for a regional block for china pakistan iran and turkey
11= make direct road and rail links between beijing islamabad tehran and istambul
12= abolish the visa restrictions between the four countries
13= ablish the trade based in dollars and change it to yuan or gold or commodity exchange

You are smoking some serious shi!t The Iranians, Chinese and Turks will be laughing while reading your fairytale.

 

[CENTCOM]

Dear readers,

Are both nations not victims of religious extremism and intolerance that has resulted in thousands of innocent deaths and the spilling of innocent blood on our soil? Are we both not continuously targeted by the Taliban mullahs, a common enemy bent on using religious extremism and intolerance to destroy our peace and our sovereignty?

Dear readers, do we remain strong, do we serve justice, do we honor those killed by letting go of our joint efforts and creating a safe-haven for our enemy; Taliban religious ideology, extremism, intolerance and violence? Are we not, to terrorists, a strong alliance, a common threat standing in their way and preventing them from occupying a state and once again using it as a safe haven to terrorize the globe. Join Middle Eastern youth in saying “no, no, no to violent religious extremism”; A failed experiment in Swat Valley. Forum readers, differences have and will once again arise, but they are dwarfed by cooperation like the recent decision to form a joint anti-terror squad and a core commission to protect borders. Is this not evidence that differences aside our alliance in the War on Terror (WOT) is mutually beneficial. (Read Here). We end this post with what Senator Kerry said during his recent meeting with Pakistani officials. “We must never lose sight of this essential fact, we are strategic partners with a common enemy in terrorism and extremism” and “Both of our countries have sacrificed… so much that it just wouldn’t make sense to see this relationship broken or abandoned.”

CDR Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

 

[53fd]

Dear readers,

Are both nations not victims of religious extremism and intolerance that has resulted in thousands of innocent deaths and the spilling of innocent blood on our soil? Are we both not continuously targeted by the Taliban mullahs, a common enemy bent on using religious extremism and intolerance to destroy our peace and our sovereignty?

Dear readers, do we remain strong, do we serve justice, do we honor those killed by letting go of our joint efforts and creating a safe-haven for our enemy; Taliban religious ideology, extremism, intolerance and violence? Are we not, to terrorists, a strong alliance, a common threat standing in their way and preventing them from occupying a state and once again using it as a safe haven to terrorize the globe. Join Middle Eastern youth in saying “no, no, no to violent religious extremism”; A failed experiment in Swat Valley. Forum readers, differences have and will once again arise, but they are dwarfed by cooperation like the recent decision to form a joint anti-terror squad and a core commission to protect borders. Is this not evidence that differences aside our alliance in the War on Terror (WOT) is mutually beneficial. (Read Here). We end this post with what Senator Kerry said during his recent meeting with Pakistani officials. “We must never lose sight of this essential fact, we are strategic partners with a common enemy in terrorism and extremism” and “Both of our countries have sacrificed… so much that it just wouldn’t make sense to see this relationship broken or abandoned.”

CDR Speaks,
DET, United States Central Command
U.S. Central Command

What Pakistan & Afghanistan do are their own internal matters, & what the US has essentially done by removing senior ranking Taliban from the UN Sanctions list, & brokering peace deals with them, & letting them infiltrate into Pakistan in hundreds is endanger the whole region. As well as killing a huge number of innocent Afghani civilians. The US has made the region today more precarious than what it was in 2001.

 

[gubbi]

1= tel US to mind there own business
2= mutual defense pact with china
3= mutual defense pact with iran
4= mutual defense pact with turkey
5= get out of WOT
6= talk to those who are pakistani and crush the rest of terrorist
7= take the PA out of civilian areas
8= make it compulsory for every 18 to 21 year old to serve in armed forces for 3 years
9= declare a first use of nukes policy
10= push for a regional block for china pakistan iran and turkey
11= make direct road and rail links between beijing islamabad tehran and istambul
12= abolish the visa restrictions between the four countries
13= ablish the trade based in dollars and change it to yuan or gold or commodity exchange

interesting strategic thinking, I must say... and put in a very well manner,

You call THAT strategic and 'thinking'? Seriously?

 

[skylab20]

What Pakistan & Afghanistan do are their own internal matters, & what the US has essentially done by removing senior ranking Taliban from the UN Sanctions list, & brokering peace deals with them, & letting them infiltrate into Pakistan in hundreds is to endanger the whole region. The US has made the region today more precarious than what it was in 2001.

US is playing double games, it is doing because they have realized, afghanistan is not in their control, the day US started maligning pakistan of terrorists, it started funding TTP, it also start to encourage terrorism so that they can escape the blame