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The US wars of Choice have now cost US Taxpayers more than one and a half trillion Dollars -- hind sight is 20/20, however, one can't avoid the realization that had the US and the intl community devised a US$$10-15 Billion 15 year investment project for Pakistan and a similar 3-5 Billion for Afghanistan - no need for the sacrifices of US soldiers, and it would be investments




There's another side to Obama's COIN
By Jim Lobe

WASHINGTON - Amid continued high levels of violence and a steady stream of reports of high-level government corruption in Kabul, a growing number of foreign policy specialists are urging United States President Barack Obama to reconsider his counter-insurgency (COIN) strategy in Afghanistan.

In a new report released on Wednesday, a bipartisan group of three dozen former senior officials, academics, and policy analysts argued that the administration's ambitious "nation-building" efforts in Afghanistan were costing too much in US blood and treasure and that, in any event, "prospects for success are dim
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Calling for an accelerated timetable for reducing the US military presence, the "Afghanistan Study Group", which also urged intensified efforts to reach a negotiated solution with the Pashtun-based Taliban, echoed many of the points made in the latest strategic survey that was released by the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) in London on Tuesday.

"As the military surge reaches its peak and begins to wind down, it is necessary and advisable for outside powers to move to a containment and deterrence policy to deal with the international terrorist threat from the Afghan/Pakistan border regions," said IISS's director general John Chipman in introducing this year's report.

"At present, the COIN strategy is too ambitious, too removed from the core security goals that need to be met, and too sapping of diplomatic and military energies needed both in the region and elsewhere," he noted. "For Western states to be pinned down militarily and psychologically in Afghanistan will not be in the service of their wider political and security interests."

The two reports come amid growing public skepticism both in the United States and its European and North Atlantic Treaty Organization partners - two of which, Canada and the Netherlands, have just withdrawn all of their troops - about the course of the war, which will soon mark its ninth anniversary. Currently costing US taxpayers US$100 billion a year, the Afghan war became the longest in US history this summer when it exceeded the Vietnam conflict.

Despite the appointment in June of General David Petraeus, the author of the US COIN strategy in Iraq, to head US and coalition forces in Afghanistan, two out of three respondents in a recent CNN poll said they believed Washington was "not winning" the war. Half said the war could not be won.

Sixty-eight percent of respondents in a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll taken last month said they were "less confident" that the war would be brought to a "successful conclusion" - a striking increase from the 58% who took that view last December. Only 23% said they were "more confident".

The increasingly sour mood is no doubt due in part to the preoccupation with the economy and growing political support in both parties for cutting the yawning government deficit, of which the $100 billion spent on Afghanistan is not an insignificant part.

But the persistent high casualty rates - this year's total US military death toll, 331, already exceeds 2009's high of 317 - has also contributed to the growing popular conviction that the war is simply not worth the cost
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Meanwhile, the virtually daily reports of high-level corruption in the government of President Hamid Karzai - this past week, major stories have featured the run on the politically well-connected Bank of Kabul - have persuaded a growing number of people, including members of the foreign policy elite and even a number of normally hawkish Republicans, that Washington simply lacks the kind of local partner that any true COIN campaign requires to prevail.

Released as congress returns to Washington after the long August recess, the Afghanistan Study Group's report, entitled "A New Way Forward: Rethinking US Strategy in Afghanistan", appears designed to provoke debate about US policy during the mid-term election campaign and in the run-up to a formal review in December by the Obama administration of how its COIN strategy is faring.


On the advice of Petraeus and the Pentagon, Obama has increased the number of US troops deployed to Afghanistan from some 35,000 when he took office in January 2009 to about 100,000 today. He has vowed to begin withdrawing troops in July 2011, although the pace at which they will be withdrawn has not yet been determined and remains a source of considerable contention within the administration.

The administration has been split for some time. The so-called COINistas have argued for a major "nation-building" effort combined with a military campaign directed against the Taliban that they depict as inseparable from al-Qaeda. Others within the administration, reportedly led by Vice President Joseph Biden, have argued for a less ambitious counter-terrorism campaign (CT) aimed more narrowly against al-Qaeda on both sides of the Afghan-Pakistan border.

In that respect, the Study Group, whose membership spanned the political spectrum from the Democratic left to the libertarian right but was weighted most heavily towards "realists" who until George W Bush generally dominated the post-World War II foreign policy elite, is aligned more closely with the CT advocates.

Quoting former US statesman and arch-realist Henry Kissinger, the report noted that "Afghanistan has never been pacified by foreign forces" and that "waging a lengthy counter-insurgency war in Afghanistan may well do more to aid Taliban recruiting than to dismantle the group, help spread conflict further into Pakistan, unify radical groups that might otherwise be quarrelling amongst themselves, threaten the long-term health of the US economy, and prevent the US government from turning its full attention to other pressing problems."

"We've been creating enemies faster than friends," noted Paul Pillar, who served as the US Central Intelligence Agency's national intelligence officer for the Middle East and South Asia from 2000 to 2005, at the report's release at the New America Foundation (NAF). Complaining of a "disconnect" between the conduct of the war and the US aim of destroying and disabling al-Qaeda, he described the US intervention in Afghanistan as "a nine-year-long mission creep".


The report called instead for a five-pronged strategy that would "fast-track a peace process designed to decentralize power within Afghanistan and encourage a power-sharing balance among the principal parties"; intensify diplomatic efforts with Afghanistan's neighbors and others "to guarantee Afghan neutrality and foster regional stability"; and lead an international effort to develop the country's economy.

Obama, it said, should "firmly stick to his pledge to begin withdrawing US forces in the summer of 2011 - and earlier if possible. US force levels should decline to the minimum level needed to help train Afghan security forces, prevent massive human-rights atrocities, resist an expansion of Taliban control beyond the Pashtun south, and engage in robust counter-terrorism operations as needed."

In particular, US forces should maintain their capabilities "to seek out known al-Qaeda cells in the region and be ready to go after them should they attempt to relocate elsewhere or build new training facilities," the report said. "Al-Qaeda is no longer a significant presence in Afghanistan, and there are only some 400 hardcore al-Qaeda members remaining in the entire Af/Pak theater, most of them hiding in Pakistan's northwest provinces."

Besides Pillar, other signers of the report included Gordon Adams, a top White House budget official for national security under the Bill Clinton administration who is currently with the Stimson Center; Steve Clemons, the head of NAF's American Security program; Patrick Cronin, a senior adviser at the Center for a New American Security; W Patrick Lang, who served as the top Middle East/South Asia officer in the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency during the 1990s; Selig Harrison, an Afghan specialist at the Center for International Policy; and Stephen Walt, a Harvard University scholar considered a leader of the "realist" school of international relations.

Jim Lobe's blog on US foreign policy can be read at LobeLog.com
 
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Dedicated to our Afghan forum Members


An Afghan bone for Obama to chew on
By M K Bhadrakumar

When Robert Blackwill, who was former United States secretary of state Condoleezza Rice's deputy as national security adviser and George W Bush's presidential envoy to Iraq, took the podium at the International Institute of Strategic Studies think-tank in London on Monday to present his "Plan B" on Afghanistan, readers of the Wall Street Journal would have wondered what was afoot.

Blackwill is wired deep into the bowels of the US establishment, especially the Pentagon headed by Robert Gates. And the IISS prides itself as having been "hugely influential in setting the intellectual structures for managing the Cold War". Thus, the setting on Monday was perfect.

Blackwill has remarkable credentials to undertake exploratory voyages into the trajectory of US foreign policy. In a memorable opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal in March 2005 titled "A New Deal for New Delhi", he accurately predicted the blossoming of the US-India strategic partnership. He wrote:

The US should integrate India into the evolving global non-proliferation regime as a friendly nuclear weapons state ... Why should the US want to check India's missile capability in ways that could lead to China's permanent nuclear dominance over democratic India? ... We should sell advanced weaponry to India ... Given the strategic challenges ahead, the US should want the Indian armed forces to be equipped with the best weapons systems ... To make this happen, the US has to become a reliable long-term supplier, including through co-production and licensed manufacture arrangements.

Blackwill's construct almost verbatim did become US policy. Again, in December 2007 he penned a most thoughtful article titled "Forgive Russia, Confront Iran". He wrote:

To engage Russia, we need to substantially change our current policy approach to Moscow ... This is not to underrate the difficulties of interacting with Moscow on its external policies and its often-raw pursuit of power politics and spheres of influence ... But there are strategic priorities, substantive trade-offs and creative compromises that Western governments should consider. The West needs to adopt tactical flexibility and moderate compromise with Moscow.

Again, he hit the bull's eye in anticipating the US's reset with Russia. So, an interesting question arises: Is he sprinting indefatigably toward a hat-trick?


There can be no two opinions that the crisis situation in Afghanistan demands out-of-the-box thinking. Blackwill's radically original mind has come up with an intellectual construct when hardly 10 weeks are left for US President Barack Obama to take the plunge into his Afghanistan strategy review.

Blackwill foresees that the US's Afghan counter-insurgency (COIN) strategy is unlikely to succeed and an accommodation of the Taliban in its strongholds becomes inevitable in the near future. The current indications are that the process is already underway. (See Taliban and US get down to talks Asia Times Online, September 10, 2010.)

The Blackwill plan probes the downstream of this "accommodation". Blackwill flatly rules out a rapid withdrawal of American forces from Afghanistan as that would be a "strategic calamity" for regional stability, would hand over a tremendous propaganda victory to the world syndicate of Islamist radicals, would "profoundly undermine" the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) and would be seen as a failure of US leadership and strategic resolve.

Therefore, he proposes as a US policy goal a rationalization of the tangled, uneven Afghan battlefield so that it becomes more level and predictable and far less bloody, and enforcement of the game can come under new ground rules
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Prima facie, it appears scandalous as a plan calling for the "partition" of Afghanistan, but in actuality it is something else. In short, US forces should vacate the Taliban's historic strongholds in the Pashtun south and east and should relocate to the northern, central and western regions inhabited by non-Pashtun tribes.

Blackwill suggests the US should "enlist" the Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazaras to do more of the anti-Taliban resistance, instead of COIN. And the US should only take recourse to massive air power and the use of special forces if contingencies arise to meet any residual threats from the Taliban after their political accommodation in their strongholds.

A striking aspect of the Blackwill plan is that it is rooted in Afghan history and politics, the regional milieu and the interplay of global politics.
Since 1761, Afghanistan has survived essentially as a loose-knit federation of ethnic groups under Kabul's notional leadership. The plan taps into the interplay of ethnicity in Afghan politics. The political reality today is that the Taliban have come to be the best-organized Afghan group and they are disinterested in a genuinely broad-based power-sharing arrangement in Kabul.

Unsurprisingly, the non-Pashtun groups feel uneasy. Their fears are not without justification insofar as the erstwhile anti-Taliban Northern Alliance has disintegrated and regional powers that are opposed to the Taliban, such as Russia, Iran and India, have such vastly divergent policy objectives (and priorities) that they cannot join hands, leave alone finance or equip another anti-Taliban resistance.

The Kabul government headed by President Hamid Karzai is far too weak to perform such a role. (Blackwill, curiously, doesn't visualize Karzai surviving.)
According to Blackwill's plan, the US offers itself as the bulwark against an outright Taliban takeover. It envisages the US using decisive force against any Taliban attempt to expand beyond its Pashtun strongholds in the south and east, and to this end it promises security to non-Pashtun groups.

If it works, the plan could be a geopolitical coup for the US. It quintessentially means the US would hand over to the Taliban (which is heavily under the influence of the Pakistani military) the south and east bordering Pakistan while US forces would relocate to the regions bordering Central Asia and Iran.

The US would be extricating itself from fighting and bloodshed, while at the same time perpetuating its military presence in the region to provide a security guarantee to the weak Kabul government and as a bulwark against anarchy and extremism - on the pattern in Iraq.

The US's and NATO's profile as real-time providers of regional security and stability can only boost their influence in Central Asian capitals.

Seemingly recent random "happenings" mesh with Blackwill's plan, including:

A base to be built for US special forces in Mazar-i-Sharif.
The expansion of the air bases at Bagram and Shindand.
The overhaul of the massive Soviet-era air base in Termez by the US and NATO.
An agreement between the German Bundeswehr and the Uzbek government regarding Termez as a stop-off point for NATO military flights.
Fresh deployments of US special forces in Kunduz.
The US's parleys with non-Pashtun leaders in Berlin.
Mounting pressure on Hamid Karzai's brother Ahmed Wali Karzai to vacate Kandahar

(Blackwill said in an interview with the British Telegraph newspaper last week, "How many people really believe that Kandahar is central to Western civilization? We did not go to Afghanistan to control Kandahar.")

As a seasoned diplomat, Blackwill argues that China and Russia will choose to be stakeholders in an enterprise in which Washington underwrites Central Asia's security. True, China and Russia will be hard-pressed to contest the US's open-ended military presence in Afghanistan that is on the face of it projected as the unfinished business of the "war on terrorism". Central Asian states will be delighted at the prospect of the US joining the fight against creeping Islamism from Afghanistan.

The Blackwill plan brilliantly turns around the Taliban's ascendancy since 2005, which had occurred under Pakistani tutelage and, in retrospect, thanks to US passivity
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Blackwill admits that his plan "would allow Washington to focus on four issues more vital to its national interests: the rise of Chinese power, the Iranian nuclear program, nuclear terrorism and the future of Iraq".

Without suffering a strategic defeat, the US would be able to extricate itself from the war while the drop in war casualties would placate US opinion so that a long-term troop presence (as in Iraq) at the level of 50,000 or so would become sustainable. This was exactly what General David Petraeus, now the top US man in Afghanistan, achieved in Iraq.


Ambassador M K Bhadrakumar was a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service. His assignments included the Soviet Union, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Germany, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, Kuwait and Turkey.
 
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As mentioned earlier (last year), the U.S. will substantially increase the ties with India in coming years.

Western countries will try to neutralize Russia so China can be isolated.
Which is impossible.

India will see a massive foreign investment coming in--
 
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Pakistan will join SCO very soon which will help us to mend ties with Russia. Now, our current policy makers might be thinking in a different way but the above stated things are future facts. Pakistan should reshape her policy.

The increasing number of rifts between China and the U.S. (economic policy) is not just a 'political step' as the elections are coming in. Yeah, it has a political background but other things are on the table too.
 
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The americans thought China will continue to finance their stupid debt bonds and Obama even flew to China on a begging trip but Chinese are using their surplus to trade and cash to invest in world wide project seriously diminishing american financial and political clout. There was a time when america was the massive investory in world infrastructure projects today you cant name one highway or railway financed by america. Infact America itself is luring Chinese investments for California railway.

America can bless india with all the FDI it wishes and to increase the Indian share of american trade they would be obliged to buy american public debt. Same story will repeat however China has enough assertiveness to take actions on its own. India like arabis will scumb to pressure of continously financing american debt.
 
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The americans thought China will continue to finance their stupid debt bonds and Obama even flew to China on a begging trip but Chinese are using their surplus to trade and cash to invest in world wide project seriously diminishing american financial and political clout. There was a time when america was the massive investory in world infrastructure projects today you cant name one highway or railway financed by america. Infact America itself is luring Chinese investments for California railway.

America can bless india with all the FDI it wishes and to increase the Indian share of american trade they would be obliged to buy american public debt. Same story will repeat however China has enough assertiveness to take actions on its own. India like arabis will scumb to pressure of continously financing american debt.

I think you are on the wrong page. It will be a strategic nightmare for the U.S. to abandon Indian ship after decades. Can't you see the ship turning? Iran, Afghanistan and now Pakistan. China is already in another camp.
The U.S. will not create another enemy in South Asia, not at all.
OR The U.S. won't 'abandon' another ally i.e. India.
 
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Doesn't have to be -- neither Pakistan nor India want a Wahabist regime in Afghanistan, neither do the Iranian nor do the Russian -- What India is contesting is the notion that Afghanistan is Pakistan's backyard - it's a useless, pointless contest - Indian signing and dancing and movies, all good and welcome but do Afghans actually think that India as a power player in Afghanistan? No, they don't - don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that trade and culture with India are unimportant, they are very important - but allow me to use an example to provide the contrast - from one end of Afghanistan to the other, East to West and North to South, the medium of exchange is the Pakistani rupee - get a haircut and the barber will complain about Pakistan and ISI and what not, but the chair you are sitting in is made in Sialkot, the clippers as well, and the complaining is done in fluent urdu and the barber was born in Pakistan -- it's just a very different kind of thing, I don't think people, especially the US types, realize the depth of relationship, I mean ordinary peolpe come and go, buy and sell and live one season here one season there, nobody is harassing them for a visa or a passport which they don 't have, even a Afghan ID letter they don't have, but will ask if you can help them get a Pakistani Shenahkti card.

So, for indians it's a contest which is not one they can win, because the premise of the contest is mistaken - see Durand, whether you like it or not, connects the two, out in the middle of nowhere, you'll find kohat cement - now, I think botht he US and the Indian shoudl have used this Pak-Afghan connection -when I say the Us type is a fanatic, this is what I was referring to, instead of using this and creating win win, he choose to caste it as a negative, spread poison for 9 years through his radio liberty and now finds himself isolated - the same with the Indian.

The Iranian has no such problem, he too shares a border and people come and go, as do goods - Iranian goods and more and more currency are dominating the western border region. They have the Shi'ah and the Hazara

The Russian, while not a fanatic, doesnot want any Wahabi govt in Afghanistan, it's the one thing everybody agrees to but cannot see to make it work to their mutual advantage. They think they have the Uzbek, but the Uzbek is looking for a better deal.

Then there is the briothers Karzai and that whole idiot Kandahar game of who is more legitimate ($$) and there is the Northern Alliance and jamiaat - hostile to Pakistan as if it was mothers milk, because, well, they want to claim a Iranian connection as farsi speakers, but find their Sunni-ness gets in the way, but if it rattles the Pakistanis cages, they are up for it. They for sure don't want any Wahabi regime.

Into all of this mess, enter the US - Intl declaration of human rights and women's rights, and "democracy" and the NGOs - behind it all, a fanatical ethic against Islam and Muslims and a cold calulation of strategic imperative - - out of Afghanistan, where in Asia will they go?? There's new troubles created in Kyrgyzstan, then that place will implode - See, this is why I created that thread, new wars for Asia - US has no other option but to muscle into business and to position it's military to "protect it's interests" -- it's crude, but increasingly it does not work.


Why? You think they are 10 feet tall? Have all the answers? -- If theyh knew what they wanted, what's taken them 10 years to not get it??

If you know what they are doing there please tell the rest of us.

There are some flaws in ur story.

1.) You have not mentioned the role of china in all of this.

2.) You don't understand Indian point we just want a trade route through Iran-Afghanistan.

So don't start old crap of India wants to encircle pakistan from Afghanistan.

3.) For that India-Iran wants a stable and moderate Afghanistan.

4. Its also in the security interest of China-Russia a moderate Afghanistan. As insurgents in their countries are finding safe heaven and support from FATA.

And not to forget china wants to exploits the natural resources of Afghanistan and Russia also wants a trade route.

5.) Don't underestimate India's soft power and goodwill. And even if you tries to ignore that or take that lightly don't underestimate India's RAW/military/economic strength.

Further, I don't wanna go into ethnic details and conflicts in Afghanistan.

So the conclusion is that the peace and stability is the only option sooner all of us realize that better for us.
 
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If Iran, Pakistan, China, Uzbek and Russia can help each other on Afghan issue, the U.S. will cry foul. However, I think it is impossible.
 
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There are some flaws in ur story.

1.) You have not mentioned the role of china in all of this.

2.) You don't understand Indian point we just want a trade route through Iran-Afghanistan.

So don't start old crap of India wants to encircle pakistan from Afghanistan.

3.) For that India-Iran wants a stable and moderate Afghanistan.

4. Its also in the security interest of China-Russia a moderate Afghanistan. As insurgents in their countries are finding safe heaven and support from FATA.

And not to forget china wants to exploits the natural resources of Afghanistan and Russia also wants a trade route.

5.) Don't underestimate India's soft power and goodwill. And even if you tries to ignore that or take that lightly don't underestimate India's RAW/military/economic strength.

Further, I don't wanna go into ethnic details and conflicts in Afghanistan.

So the conclusion is that the peace and stability is the only option sooner all of us realize that better for us.


2.) You don't understand Indian point we just want a trade route through Iran-Afghanistan.

So don't start old crap of India wants to encircle pakistan from Afghanistan.


Well, I will not go in details because muse is more than capable to answer you. However, I will like to state one thing here--You don't understand Pakistan's point! Solve Kashmir issue first than we will give you trade route. BECAUSE until unless Kashmir issue is resolved, differences between us will be there.

You guys will fall hard. What will we lose? We already have the trade route!!!! You do not have it!!!!
 
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We had alerted our readers, in particular our Afghan forum readers that there are plenty of reasons to reconsider the role of the US -- but now, how will US citizens in a election cycle respond to this plan??

Search for WMD in Iraq turned out to be a dud, a giant lie - this so called WOT will soon morph into something very very different - will the American voter be on board? Not unless he can scared out of his mind once again.

And what of logistics? well, if not through Pakistan, it would have to go through Russia - and will the Chinese really take the muscling into their action by the US, sitting down? The US will need another base of operations, Kyrghzistan will do nicely since the US will step in to "secure" the rights of all ethnicities and safeguard their future.

And the Pakistines? what of then? The Saudi Wahabi will win their state out of Southern and Eastern Afghanistan and for their first move, will claim Balouchistan - welcome to Wahabistan Pakistines.

So Pakistines will find their Arbi idol gods will have stabbed them in the backs - no price is too high to pay for the greater glory of Wahabism.

And the poor Afgoons? grist for the mills - and a lesson to all, especially Muzlooms.

But of course this just one scenario, small things can have really big effects and destinies are changed by the will to act, and then is serendipity.
 
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There will be a significant blow to Wahabi ideology along with mulli scum ideology in coming years in PAKISTAN.
 
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Maybe - but what happens to Indian designs if Afghanistan is partitioned?
 
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It would be like chest thumping but i did propose this view on a previous thread, it was partition of afghanistan. You see this theme is nothing new, the western mind is the same and history does repeat itself. If we can see through history, the west has successfully retained its leverage on asia only through breaking it up.

The best example is India and Pakistan.

Divide and conquer is their age old mantra. It can be on varied factors , religions ethnicities, races etc etc. Seems like the Americans are taking a lesson out of their Atlantic brother's book of past.

The points obvious but supported and proved in this article by the ambassdor are :

USA cannot and will not do a rapid withdrawal from Afghanistan due to face image, the possibility of covering Central Asia where it didn't have a foothold till now, from where it can keep an eye on China.

If we leave the jingoism and patriotism out, for India and Pakistan the possible outcomes are as belows:

For Pakistan it would be a victory of strategic nature because it does get a friendly afghanistan, but only part of it.

However there is a flip side to this, i.e. its reach to central asia will be cut off to some extent and by this to some more little extent to China too, because while the Talib controlled area will be friendly , the Northern areas would be more like a level playing field where everybody can work out.

Also Pakistan will be left with a military hardened fighting force just at its borders. This could be a boon and a bane too.

The more interesting thing i would like to harp on is, when this supposed division happens what would be the reaction of International audience?? Its obvious that there will be only one official Afghanistan, known and recognised interantionally, so the government of Taliban cannot be official. Will Pakistan openly recognise this rule?? You see the govt of Pakistan has officially declared that they are going after the Taliban some 10 years back itself.

Also Pakistan's image has taken a battering due to obvious reasons which i need not mention here, the reason i am talking about this is, when the dust settles and the Taliban are (if in future) recognised by GOP, wouldn't the International comunity cry foul. What would be the stance of GOP officially on this?? This is something i cannot predict.
 
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It is in the BEST interests of Pakistan to take Russia, Iran and China into confidence. Lets throw the dice--Even if Mullah Umar and co form a collation government in unified Afghanistan, Pakistan will have a SEVERE BACKLASH, not from mullahs but from other regional players.

Pakistan must must and must take Russia and Iran into confidence. Sometimes, you have to go against your ego and 'set limits' to get benefit.

We will see more insurgency in Afghanistan-Pakistan area after mullahs form a collation. Again, not necessarily from mullahs but---
Just my opinion.
 
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