Thrice attacked, Hindu community in Orakzai deliberate migrating

[Mrc]

attacks by ajmal kassab

who happened to be an Indian despite lies and deceit by Indian govt ... truth has come out in form of his domicile

 

[YeBeWarned]

Yes victims are victims we also lost 369 muslims hindus yahudis masihis in 26 /11 attacks by ajmal kassab.

the same Ajamal was an Indian ?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Built*, and no it's built by Muslims for Muslims keeping Islam in mind which asks you to respect and protect minorities. Stop being an idiot.

dont write silly comments!

And what about the Muslims of India ?? Should they migrate to Pakistan - "their own country" ??

u mean those congressy mullas like azad? or obaid ullah sindhi? or whatever, those so called muslims who even tried to assassinate our leader Quaid e Azam in early 40s?

Those Muslims who r today represented by a womanizer like MJ Akbar etc etc..
Look u had time to migrate and settle and own yr own country Pakistan as soon as till 90s it was yr choice not to...
Yr our enemy and the Enemy of Islam, just as Hindus,,, u hold no value, heck u dont even have a value among yr own countrymen....What to speak of us foreigners?

 

[jamal18]

Pakistan is build by muslims for the muslims! they should go to their own country

Never! Pakistani Hindus are as much Pakistani as muslims. It would be a great shame for the entire country if they left through persecution.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Never! Pakistani Hindus are as much Pakistani as muslims. It would be a great shame for the entire country if they left through persecution.

Look! yr a minority which is itself under prosecution in the country u live in...Tommy Robinson or that British first movement is a great example.......where even yr Sharia rules and marriages like Nikkah arnt registered...Where yr women r turning out to be like that woman in this forum like Divergent etc etc.....Now dont get pissed off but thats the reality and deep down u know thats the future of yr generations.

We live in a proper islamic republic, where we dominate and we CAN DEFINE the laws rules and ideologies.....These slogans of ''Pakistan is for everyone'' was used because we were facing certain scenario, of minority prosecution and unity troubles as population being divided b/w sympathising TTP/BLA etc and the 'other' people who were liberals......We chose them for the tactical reasons, and that paid off, now things r under control we no longer have an existential threat.

So now, we no longer have to follow a strategy which has lost its purpose in our eyes. This country was afterall build on the blood sacrificed by the Muslims and Muslims only and we still giving her our blood to keep her safe......But now we need stability, and for that stability we need to reduce or ssshhhhuu off those whose loyalties with our country might now be as strong as that of the mainstream and majority of the population.

Afterall we can see from the examples of Almedia and Mascarenhas(the christian journalist from Pakistan who defected to tell the British abt our nuke program in 70s, and it was he who revealed that for the first time in west publicly abt the existence of a 'Muslim Bomb')

Quran explicitly says that these Jews and Christians can never be our Friends and we can see why......And in our country, we will no longer allow this drama to continue, after Asia Bibi case and her Husband even calling Trump for help without even caring that this can cause a civil war in Pakistan and the countries like Netherlands and the organizations UN kidnapping her Muslim Lawyer into Netherlands are a great examples of that as well.

Things have changed and r quickly changing!

 

[jamal18]

Look! yr a minority which is itself under prosecution in the country u live in...Tommy Robinson or that British first movement is a great example.......where even yr Sharia rules and marriages like Nikkah arnt registered...Where yr women r turning out to be like that woman in this forum like Divergent etc etc.....Now dont get pissed off but thats the reality and deep down u know thats the future of yr generations.

We like in a proper islamic republic, where we dominate and we CAN DEFINE the laws rules and ideologies.....These slogans of ''Pakistan is for everyone'' was used because we were facing certain scenario, of minority prosecution and unity troubles as population being divided b/w sympathising TTP/BLA etc and the 'other' people who were liberals......We chose them for the tactical reasons, and that paid off, now things r under control we no longer have an existential threat.

So now, we no longer have to follow a strategy which has lost its purpose in our eyes. This country was afterall build on the blood sacrificed by the Muslims and Muslims only and we still giving her our blood to keep her safe......But now we need stability, and for that stability we need to reduce or ssshhhhuu off those whose loyalties with our country might now be as strong as that of the mainstream and majority of the population.

Afterall we can see from the examples of Almedia and Mascarenhas(the christian journalist from Pakistan who defected to tell the British abt our nuke program in 70s, and it was he who revealed that for the first time in west publicly abt the existence of a 'Muslim Bomb')

Quran explicitly says that these Jews and Christians can never be our Friends and we can see why......And in our country, we will no longer allow this drama to continue, after Asia Bibi case and her Husband even calling Trump for help without even caring that this can cause a civil war in Pakistan and the countries like Netherlands and the organizations UN kidnapping her Muslim Lawyer into Netherlands are a great examples of that as well.

Things have changed and r quickly changing!

Always good to have your view.

As for minorities, even in an Islamiic republic they have rights, that is explicitly stated in shariah. I'm pretty sure being murdered violates their rights. When they leave, it means we have failed to protect them. A failure on our part.

Almeida and Mascarenhas? Just because a dozen Pakistanis in Bradford rape young girls, it doesn't mean all Pakistanis are paedophiles. One bad Pakistani christian doesn't mean all christians are traitors.

There is some religious leader they keep mentioning on this forum who is into predictions. He explicitly stated that the verse ' ..christians are not your friends..' relates to modern times and an alliance with Nato (Christendom).' It's a question of interpretation.

Not sure why you mention Pakistanis in the UK, but we live here out of our own choice. We are free to follow our religion if we choose to do so.

I would have thought that if Christians protect and look after their minorities, so should Muslims.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Always good to have your view.

As for minorities, even in an Islamiic republic they have rights, that is explicitly stated in shariah. I'm pretty sure being murdered violates their rights. When they leave, it means we have failed to protect them. A failure on our part.

Almeida and Mascarenhas? Just because a dozen Pakistanis in Bradford rape young girls, it doesn't mean all Pakistanis are paedophiles. One bad Pakistani christian doesn't mean all christians are traitors.

There is some religious leader they keep mentioning on this forum who is into predictions. He explicitly stated that the verse ' ..christians are not your friends..' relates to modern times and an alliance with Nato (Christendom).' It's a question of interpretation.

Not sure why you mention Pakistanis in the UK, but we live here out of our own choice. We are free to follow our religion if we choose to do so.

I would have thought that if Christians protect and look after their minorities, so should Muslims.

lala g i mentioned yr Britishism because u guys r educated in there, their christian ideologies like these freedom crap is inculcated into yr heads......and i can see where yr coming from and why u reach to the conclusion that ''if christian/non muslims in general r killed here its because we failed to protect them''

When i said we can Define laws here and then interpret them according to our will freely because here We r the ''alpha and Omega''

Here now according to our interpretation, a non Muslim is killed because HE DESERVED IT! we Muslims r just venting our anger for what is done to the Muslims in Israel and Christian countries as well as Hindu country india!

Look not a lot of people know abt this but during Ameer Taimoor aka Taimoor Lung era had created Hindustan a markaz back in 12th century when the first Muslim Empire was officially established in here....He make the markaz after taking permission from the main markez of Muslim empire being rule from Baghdad!

Thats why the full sharia laws were never established in here, because we were a minority and a different version of Islam was developed by Ulema and Sufi Saints called Sufism for this region specifically later it was from here it spread into Iran and Central Asia of today...it wasnt the other way around as its popularly believed, thats why even today Multan is called the city of Saints not anyother city be it in Middle East or Iran or Central Asia, who also have a heavy influence of sufism even in turkey!

Thats why parda for women wasnt fully established that they properly wear bhurka, but rather 'chaddar or chaar diwari' concept was developed for them in here and the music which was strictly outlawed in Islam and Sharia was relaxed here to influence and temp local hindus to get into the fold of Islam, thats why concepts Qawali and Naat/Nasheed emerged......Thats why even those orthodox arabs, dont like the Muslims of Hindustan ie Pakistanis and other south asian Muslims, and call Sufism an abomination of Islam etc......Simply because they dont know abt these facts, and abt Ameer Taimoor and his pack/treaty/permission with the Ulemas of the highest order and the Khalifa of the time in Baghdad to do that. And Build a custom made separate Markaziat of Islam in Hindustan/South Asia, separate from orthodox ways of Shariat implemented in Arabic World and Turkic World.

Heck, do u even know that in the western china the Islam spread because we Muslims actually gave our daughters to them in marriage? This is severely outlawed in Islam but it was relaxed, so we could build a strong foundation with those who dont share anything in common with us and through this foundation we spread Islam and made them Muslim too over time. This is exactly what Akbar also did when he married jodha bai......and because of that today there arnt many hindu rajpots as many as there are Muslim Rajpots, and even the greatest Muslim Scholar of that time like Mujadid Alif Sahni never objected to that.....yes he objected to his experient of 'deen e elahi' concept and later it was reversed but he never objected to his marriage to jodha?

Why did that happened? Because we Muslims were dealing with 'Pagans' now! not with the people of the books like before in Middle East from where we came from. Things had to change, new strategies had to be developed, and this strategy was developed after taking the permission of it from main Khilafat and Ulema of the time sitting in Baghdad, our ultimate capital.

But now my dear, we no longer need to follow those old ways......We got our country now, and thats why i said ''a country build by Muslims for Muslims'' and let me add..... based on two nation theory. Because that experient of Ameer Taimoor/Sufism i guess failed. There r still many more hindus then Muslims in india and were even during 1947 when Pakistan was born and where it was us Muslims who were already declared a minority by congress party of india in 1920s or 1930s itself.........Thats why we had no other choice but to unite under the baron of Muslim League for an independent Muslim country.....That process initiated under Ameer Taimoor by Ulema and Saints in here was disturbed and disbanded because of British invasion of Hindustan/South Asia and for the fact that we Muslims were given a status of minority rather then its actual throne bearers as we were before...A minority is a powerless toothless entity on the mercy of a majority....Hence the option of an independent Country build by Muslims and for the Muslims in South Asia was vital.

But as a mere British citizen with Pakistani decent may have never known abt these historical facts and reasoning but we in Pakistan do......because it was us who inherited our glorious muslim rule spread across 1000 years by making a country for Muslims only in south asia!

And now we need to take the next step in here and go back to the orthodox ways of Sharia that was implemented into Turks, Arabs etc........Now to take that natural next step, these non muslims have to be gotten rid off one way or another...or by making special rules Israeli style.

Im not some clown or joker here who is sitting on his *** and saying whatever comes in his mind. I know what im saying and what im propagating........and the above mentioned facts is the ideology, though process and historic experiences behind that.

 

[I.R.A]

........Now to take that natural next step, these non muslims have to be gotten rid off one way or another...or by making special rules Israeli style.

In real life, if you intend to harm a Pakistani non Muslim in my presence, I will 100% side with the Non Muslim Pakistani, even if it leads to violently drill some sense in you.

"I pledge my word of honour that,

I shall do my duty to God, to my country, and to my fellow human beings and shall obey all the rules and regulations of this Institution.

I shall honour my parents, teachers and elders and be good to those who are younger than me.

I shall do the best that I can to help all the people who are old, poor, crippled or in distress.

Everyday I shall do at least one good deed that will please a fellow human being without the distinction of country, class, colour or creed.

I shall try to make the school tradition "Discipline and Hardwork" and the school Motto "Character is Destiny" as part and parcel of my life."


I haven't forgotten this. May be you have. Just a reminder this is what we pledged everyday in our school life and it wasn't meant to be some words uttered everyday.

 

[rashid.sarwar]

What a propaganda article and heading, if 3 hindus are killed then out of 34, 31 other may be muslims are killed. The issue described are faced by all the people in tribal areas not just hindus, yes they might some more issues related to prayer but the rest of the issues are common to all people of fata. Military displaced thousands, may be million people to clean the area of TTP.

One more article to defame Pakistan written by so called Pakistani...

Thrice attacked, Hindu community in Orakzai deliberate migrating
By Shahabullah Yousafzai
Published: November 25, 2018
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All three Hindu victims of Orakzai blast were merchants. PHOTO: EXPERESS

PESHAWAR: People are gathered around three dead bodies. This is the funeral ceremony of Manan, his father Sara Chand and Manan’s father-in-law Matak – three members of the Hindu community who were among the 34 people killed in Friday’s suicide blast at Kayala Bazaar of Orakzai, a tribal district.

The cremation rites of these unfortunate men are to be performed by a pundit and a distant relative, as no male member is left in the two families. Women are weeping while two minors, including one three-year-old, look at the people and the dead bodies with fear and bewilderment.

These men used to sell used items every Friday in front of the mobile phone shop of Naqeem Ali, who also got injured in the blast. They used to set a stall at the market when the winter season set in. But Friday proved to be their last day of this winter.

Post Kalaya blast scenario

Erma is the village where these men used to live. They were the male members of the last three Hindu families left in the area, once worst affected by rise of militancy and subsequent military operations.

Naqeem Ali, who is also their neighbour, told The Express Tribune over phone that while other members of the Hindu community living in former tribal areas left the areas with other temporarily displaced person (TDPs) these families stayed behind due to extreme poverty and limited resources.

“Out of these three families, two have been left with no male member except for the three-year-old child of Manan, whose father and both grandfathers died in the suicide blast,” he said.

Now the remaining members of these Hindu families are also going to migrate as the Kalaya Bazaar, where they did business, has already been targeted thrice, he added.

He said Muslim also took part in the Saturday’s cremation ceremony – held by the River Indus near Attock – and showed their solidarity with the bereaved family. Minorities have suffered the most and most of them migrated after the war against militancy started, he said.

Minority in FATA

According to Baba Jee Gurpal Singh – a Sikh community notable and a Malik of the former Khyber Agency – there are 27 thousand non-Muslims including Christians, Hindus and Sikhs living in formerly Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata).

But a member of the Christian community, Arshid Masih, said there were fifty thousand non-Muslims before the Taliban rise in Fata, but militancy forced them to displace. Kurram, Orakzai and Khyber are areas where their numbers are higher as compared to the rest of the tribal districts.

Most members of the Sikh community who did various businesses migrated to Peshawar during the era of militancy and those who lacked capital shifted to Hasanabadal and Nankhana Sahib. However, members of the Hindu community shifted inner Pakistan and Sindh as the TDPs, Gurpal Singh said.

Singh said some 12,000 Sikhs live in Peshawar. They follow the same traditions and lifestyle as other tribal people do but they face more problems than the Muslims majority.

“We don’t have a cremation place for Hindus in the provincial capital and the Sikh community has to spend a lot at the final rituals of their loved one. Hindu cremation grounds (Shamshan Ghats) are nonexistent in the province despite repeated calls.

“We have also filed a case in the Peshawar High Court for establishing Shamshan Ghat at six K-P districts, and the decision is expected on December 5. We hope that despite government’s deceiving tactics, the court would favour us,” he said.


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[GHALIB]

who happened to be an Indian despite lies and deceit by Indian govt ... truth has come out in form of his domicile

Lol. Lol .....
How great you got issued ajmal kassais domicile in 2018 july .

Hafij seyed offered his namaz e janaza in 2008 ? Why this namaz e janaza?

 

[Umair Nawaz]

In real life, if you intend to harm a Pakistani non Muslim in my presence, I will 100% side with the Non Muslim Pakistani, even if it leads to violently drill some sense in you.

"I pledge my word of honour that,

I shall do my duty to God, to my country, and to my fellow human beings and shall obey all the rules and regulations of this Institution.

I shall honour my parents, teachers and elders and be good to those who are younger than me.

I shall do the best that I can to help all the people who are old, poor, crippled or in distress.

Everyday I shall do at least one good deed that will please a fellow human being without the distinction of country, class, colour or creed.

I shall try to make the school tradition "Discipline and Hardwork" and the school Motto "Character is Destiny" as part and parcel of my life."


I haven't forgotten this. May be you have. Just a reminder this is what we pledged everyday in our school life and it wasn't meant to be some words uttered everyday.

there was one important thing taught to us in APS....''when times change so must strategies''........because my dear, in the end its all about us in Pakistan not anybody else. And here we can tweak the laws and define them at our will with changing era and the needs that come along with it to adjust.

We are in the end the alpha and omega here, lets not forget. All is well that ends well.

 

[I.R.A]

there was one important thing taught to us in APS....''when times change so must strategies''........because my dear, in the end its all about us in Pakistan not anybody else. And here we can tweak the laws and define them at our will with changing era and the needs that come along with it to adjust.

We are in the end the alpha and omega here, lets not forget. All is well that ends well.

I am not going to discriminate a fellow Pakistani because he doesn't share my beliefs. No law can ever justify that. And plus I don't know why we should feel threatened when we are the majority? No all is not well if the end has been achieved by oppressing and abusing others.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

I am not going to discriminate a fellow Pakistani because he doesn't share my beliefs. No law can ever justify that. And plus I don't know why we should feel threatened when we are the majority? No all is not well if the end has been achieved by oppressing and abusing others.

yera, because we are an ideological state in the end! there is no proper survival for us in this modern digital age without this, where is cyber space to over too and the ideological and their indoctrination plays vital part among the masses......Problem is we r far far behind in this aspect, and we still remain vulnerable to this day from these foreign ideologies and their indoctrination among the vulnerable youth of our country. Now when it comes to Muslims, we can still manage it like we already did in War on terror but with non muslims things get difficult, since they dont believe in Islam etc etc, the old typical reasons.....So why not make Pakistan a religiously monolithic society? Get rid of root cause.....Im not asking for discrimination, just get rid of the problem is what im propagating.

Actually let me explain it further, During Ayub Khan era post independence such things were heavily under discussion, and the decision was made then abt going Islamic Gen Zia just carried that strategy and it was him who actually or in reality implemented it. It wasnt like Zia was the boogeyman that we r made to believe he only implemented what was already decided beforehand.

And what was decided during ayub khan era was that, since Pakistan lives in a very vulnerable region, where we have Afghanistan at one end and India on the other, what we require as a nation is unity above all. Now Pakistan being so diverse and with that age old Indus divide and for the fact that this region of hindustan/south asia has been religious for the past 8000 years ie pre Islam era......So the most unifying factor was chosen to be Islam, on her principles ie Sharia/Shariat nation was supposed to be build then onwards.

Now that we have made it a proper Islamic Republic then what next? for that the decision was to give our people a goal and a purpose which was to reestablished our Muslim Empire in South Asia, what followed was Afghan war, Kashmir uprising and so on etc etc.....Now that Pakistan and India both r nuke states, this had complicated things......So the solution was that instead of recapturing India and going back into old sufi ways to spread Islam among the non Muslim population....It was decided that we should now build our power enough to entirely annihilate the non Muslims of India or just go for all population of India's annihilation. So that they in future wont be able to regroup and fight our future generations and challenge their might ever again like the did when British arrived and rebelled against the Kings back then after Aurangzeb's death or how rajpoots were doing during Akbar era and he had to take this 'romantic' route to control them and bring them in the fold of Islam over time.

The non Muslim prosecution of 90s and 2000s in Pakistan actually was part of this plan and strategy, which continues because inorder to annihilate them we need to get rid of the vulnerable part of our society which are not as tuned in as the Muslim citizens of Pakistan are.

Now however with that Asia Bibi case and Cyril Almeida episode, new tactics are required which are more intune with modern 21st century digital age........which is make for them harder to survive in Pakistan and tweak laws and amand it needed and redefine the statements of our founding father and the ideologies to make that happen......Just like how west is trying to get rid of Muslims by putting restrictions for them and so is Israel doing which is another ideological state just like us.

This is vital to ensure our long term survival and stability in this enemy ridden region that we live in. Remove the source of the problem and go for the kill let there be no reason and no entity living and surviving to challenge our domination EVER AGAIN.....BTW in future Afghanistan will also be invaded too just like India...whether we do that before india or after remains to be seen.

Just like We developed the Strategy to deal with pagans called Sufism.......This is the new strategy developed post independence when that old strategy was deemed unnecessary and outdated when Pakistan was made which already had Muslims in domination and in majority and to challenge the new threats and concerns which come along with it ie a Muslim State carved out of a pagan region and the pagans being not able to digest and face the reality of her existence. Now inorder for its smooth transition into our society we need to get rid of non muslims within and outside in this region and then Globally in future.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Whatever damage, terrorist can't do, copy and past masters come out to finish the job.
@DANCING GIRL, were these three the target of terrorist Satan's child? If not then please feel free to tell us all the reason behind promoting this propaganda.

What is the point of this thread, 34 people died in terrorist attack. Count again 34, propaganda you posted is about 3. What about the other 31 victims they don't count because they weren't Hindus?

Indian newspaper don't give to much coverage to crimes in India part of the policy adopted by the news industry because it sheds a negative light on the country, we have people roaming the internet looking for any post that can add to their copy and paste count.

 

[Max]

Well surprised to learn there are Hindus in KPK. I though they only exist in Sindh and south Punjab.

Anyways RIP to all the victims of Orakzai blast.