Three Strongest Navies in Southeast Asia (Vietnamese Report)

[Leishangthem]

ASEAN needs to be peaceful,and prove that they are better than the middle east and africa.Y'all don't want the diabolic west knocking at your door step looking to seize influence again..

Vietnam is the main culprit of the tensions in SCS,this tiny nation has been very impudent and they know it .This little nation which was hardly a mid power,went on a capturing spree of Islands in China's backyard.
Such insolent action would always draw the ire of any nearby superpower.Imagine the reaction of US , if Mexico had went on a capturing spree of islands in gulf of mexico ,in america's backyard ?No super power would allow that.

China is a superpower,and Vietnam along with the rest of Asean must learn to treat it as such more often ,instead of drifting from reality under US's poking.

I think we are not going to have any aircraft carrier since we dont have any ambitious plan to control large areas of sea except our own sea territory.

PT PAL Indonesia has offered this helicopter carrier since 2014 but no respond from Navy until now

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What we need to do is to wait for KF 21/IFX to complete its development in 2026 inshaAllah and then build this plane for at least 200 planes and develop wingman STEALTH drone for this plane that has been designed to have this capability.

While in the mean time we have to rely on our F 16 , Su 30/27, Hawk 200, and T 50i (attack and trainer version)

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Indonesia has low cost strategy which is to build many Fast Missile Boat where KCR 40 program is built in private owned shipbuilding and KCR 60 program is built in state owned shipbuilding (PT PAL)

KCR 40 (Fast Missile Boat 40 meter)

It has low RCS, much cheaper than frigate or corvette and proven to be effective

Next is Stealth missile boat is prepared

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Minisubmarine with capability to launch torpedo is also plan to be built and it possibly unmanned

Indonesia just need to let China take care of the SEAs in pacific,no one wants open seas more than china,it's their lifeline.Indonesia can focus all the resource on economic development instead of wasting money on pointless sphere.Not like anyone's threatning the nation .These carriers and such only fuels right winged nationalism ,which will be used by some Trump like maniac for political gain while setting the development back by decades.

 

[redtom]

Kilo Submarine of Vietnam. This is the best among the class.

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So what is Singapore navy strong at? Basically Singapore navy is an arounder. Singapore has a lot of money. Singapore has marine aviation.

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You're right. I think it is the decisive force of the Southeast Asian Navy. The small size of the navy determines that Southeast Asia’s anti-submarine capabilities are very weak, and a high-tech submarine force can easily end the opponent’s navy. But I don’t think there will be real wars between Southeast Asian countries, and it’s a bit wasteful to invest huge sums of money to maintain the submarine force.

 

[Indos]

So it will be safe to assume that Indonesia places more priority to its airforce than it's navy? Given the size of it's coastline and islands I would have assumed a more aggressive naval posture.
But large naval vessels are also platforms of power projection, so I guess going for smaller platforms makes sense if only defense is in mind, more numbers also can be built to guard local interests.

We will keep building frigates but in slower pace than missile boats and supporting vessels in which the production is both handled by state owned and private owned shipbuilders.

As we are speaking now, PT PAL is building another 3 of 60 meter missile boats and one LPD.

You can see one LPD is being built in this video in PT PAL facility

Indonesia with large Marine force is already a threat to our neogbouring countries, despite we are actually building our marine force is to protect our other islands as main army force is centered in Java and Sumatra islands as the most important island in the Republic.

During Jokowi administration, we are bulding many new supporting ships like oil tanker for Navy and LST which are built in several shipbuilding, private and state owned ones

Last year alone

Private owned shipyard

PT Batamex

PT Bandar Abadi Shipyard

1 LST and another unfinished one

https://twitter.com/x/status/1366273087818190856

Coast Guard

PT Palindo Marine

State owned Shipyard

PT Dok Kodja Bahari

2 LST

PT PAL Indonesia

1 LPD (Hospital ship for Navy)

One Submarine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb8cqPNGUBA

And another 40 meter and 60 meter missile boats have also been launched (lazy to find the videos)

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Wouldn't be surprised if Indonesia eventually goes for an aircraft carrier to secure interests given it's growing economy and volatile neighborhood.
Any such plans to improve specifically blue water capability currently? LHDs, large fleet supports/tankers, carriers, ssns?
The Thai one is seriously only an helicopter carrier. Don't even know if it's operational.

LHD is on the book & potential partner for the deal will be either S. Korean / Japan. And LHD can be converted to carrier if necessary.

Tankers is currently being built by locar firm.

SSN is a huge no but maybe in the future who knows.

The Thai carrier (can't even spell them) is still operational the last time I check & has provided HADR.

 

[Titanium100]

Indonesia just need to let China take care of the SEAs in pacific,no one wants open seas more than china,it's their lifeline.Indonesia can focus all the resource on economic development instead of wasting money on pointless sphere.Not like anyone's threatning the nation .These carriers and such only fuels right winged nationalism ,which will be used by some Trump like maniac for political gain while setting the development back by decades.

Indonesia may not face threats today but who knows what happens tomorrow. Indonesia should rush against time to arm itself as much as it can. Nobody cares about trump or any foreign US lunatic in fact Indonesia should secure it's future against all comers and Indonesia has a very vigilante policy non tolerance of provocations and self-defense won't be jeopardized at all costs

 

[Leishangthem]

Indonesia may not face threats today but who knows what happens tomorrow. Indonesia should rush against time to arm itself as much as it can. Nobody cares about trump or any foreign US lunatic in fact Indonesia should secure it's future against all comers and Indonesia has a very vigilante policy non tolerance of provocations and self-defense won't be jeopardized at all costs

I'm not saying no weaponization at all,not just over exertions of weapons development, the pointless paranoia only creates conflict.When Indonesia arms itself to teeth it draws reaction from Malaysia and nearby nations ,which inturn heightens tension. These weapons development only serves to stroke pointless nationalism on internet among the gullible while each coin spent is a missed sum for the development process.Nothing is more wasteful than weapons armament in case of developing nations .An alliance between Asian nations is more important than armament,do you see france/germany,spain Italy arming against each other? they arm themselves under a tribalistic mindset of projecting power over global south. And the thing they would most favour is the internal fight between Asian nation be it among ASEAN nations or Indonesia vs Australia(the ideal cannon fodder for west in Asia) or China.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

China should be included. Hainan province is considered southeast Asia.

 

[antonius123]

LHD is on the book & potential partner for the deal will be either S. Korean / Japan. And LHD can be converted to carrier if necessary.

Tankers is currently being built by locar firm.

SSN is a huge no but maybe in the future who knows.

The Thai carrier (can't even spell them) is still operational the last time I check & has provided HADR.

Cannot unless have VTOL like F-35; and converting it is also not as easy.

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Cannot unless have VTOL like F-35; and converting it is also not as easy.

Maybe that's why purchasing F-35(B?) is on the docket.

Point is carrier is already on the list.

I'm not saying no weaponization at all,not just over exertions of weapons development, the pointless paranoia only creates conflict.When Indonesia arms itself to teeth it draws reaction from Malaysia and nearby nations ,which inturn heightens tension. These weapons development only serves to stroke pointless nationalism on internet among the gullible while each coin spent is a missed sum for the development process.Nothing is more wasteful than weapons armament in case of developing nations .An alliance between Asian nations is more important than armament,do you see france/germany,spain Italy arming against each other? they arm themselves under a tribalistic mindset of projecting power over global south. And the thing they would most favour is the internal fight between Asian nation be it among ASEAN nations or Indonesia vs Australia(the ideal cannon fodder for west in Asia) or China.

Indonesia regards China as its only realistic near-term military foe, with a specific potential for military confrontation over its Natuna Islands near the South China Sea

Regional Responses to U.S.-China Competition in the Indo-Pacific: Indonesia

The U.S. Department of Defense's 2018 National Defense Strategy highlights the importance of working with regional allies and partners in order to manage China's rise as a strategic competitor to the United States in the Indo-Pacific region. In this country-level report in a series, the author...

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Expect Indonesia joining a grouping like QUAD somewhere in the future.

 

[Viet]

ASEAN needs to be peaceful,and prove that they are better than the middle east and africa.Y'all don't want the diabolic west knocking at your door step looking to seize influence again..

Vietnam is the main culprit of the tensions in SCS,this tiny nation has been very impudent and they know it .This little nation which was hardly a mid power,went on a capturing spree of Islands in China's backyard.
Such insolent action would always draw the ire of any nearby superpower.Imagine the reaction of US , if Mexico had went on a capturing spree of islands in gulf of mexico ,in america's backyard ?No super power would allow that.

China is a superpower,and Vietnam along with the rest of Asean must learn to treat it as such more often ,instead of drifting from reality under US's poking.

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Indonesia just need to let China take care of the SEAs in pacific,no one wants open seas more than china,it's their lifeline.Indonesia can focus all the resource on economic development instead of wasting money on pointless sphere.Not like anyone's threatning the nation .These carriers and such only fuels right winged nationalism ,which will be used by some Trump like maniac for political gain while setting the development back by decades.

We are the main culprit? Oh sorry, my mistake, I previously thought a chinese eunuch was.
I give you an advise. If you think you are the smartest guy in the room then highnoon, you may seek a doc.

 

[Indos]

Indonesian Navy decision to have submarine base in Natuna Island will make Indonesian territory in Natuna sea become more controlled. 3 more Changbogo submarines will likely be ordered late this year or beginning of next year.

 

[Viet]

Maybe that's why purchasing F-35(B?) is on the docket.

Point is carrier is already on the list.


Indonesia regards China as its only realistic near-term military foe, with a specific potential for military confrontation over its Natuna Islands near the South China Sea

Regional Responses to U.S.-China Competition in the Indo-Pacific: Indonesia

The U.S. Department of Defense's 2018 National Defense Strategy highlights the importance of working with regional allies and partners in order to manage China's rise as a strategic competitor to the United States in the Indo-Pacific region. In this country-level report in a series, the author...

www.rand.org

Expect Indonesia joining a grouping like QUAD somewhere in the future.

Of course China is the main threat to Indonesia, who else? You are much smarter than the dummies in the Philippines, Thailand and Malaysia.
Increasing your military strength is never wrong. Only delusional people believe only white hooligans are bad, yellow hooligans and rapists are nice.

 

[Leishangthem]

We are the main culprit? Oh sorry, my mistake, I previously thought a chinese eunuch was.
I give you an advise. If you think you are the smartest guy in the room then highnoon, you may seek a doc.

I don't understand your fascination for contributing to the cause of those that have treated y'all in such a humiliating and inhumane manner and some still do it at their land. Where's the dignity and self-respect? Flee on boat , suck up to them adhere to them?nothing else?

NED basically couped an election in Malaysia in so-called "ASEAN UNION'' ,imagine the reaction from Europe if China claimed doing the same in EUROPEAN UNION? Any comprehension?

Instead, ASEAN has allowed NED and other western infiltration agents to run amock on their land ,that only confirms why China needs to reign in the seas near it ,who knows which NED backed regime will pull in the SCS at the behest of their Western patrons.Like Malaysia that blocked many of BRI projects as soon as the NED backed regime got into power,next on the Imperialist's radar is Philippines ,Thailand, Indonesia; meanhwile Myanmar was already run from Washington using puppet Suu kyi. .

 

[Viet]

I don't understand your fascination for contributing to the cause of those that have treated y'all in such a humiliating and inhumane manner and some still do it at their land. Where's the dignity and self-respect? Flee on boat , suck up to them adhere to them?nothing else?

NED basically couped an election in Malaysia in so-called "ASEAN UNION'' ,imagine the reaction from Europe if China claimed doing the same in EUROPEAN UNION? Any comprehension?

Instead, ASEAN has allowed NED and other western infiltration agents to run amock on their land ,that only confirms why China needs to reign in the seas near it ,who knows which NED backed regime will pull in the SCS at the behest of their Western patrons.Like Malaysia that blocked many of BRI projects as soon as the NED backed regime got into power,next on the Imperialist's radar is Philippines ,Thailand, Indonesia; meanhwile Myanmar was already run from Washington using puppet Suu kyi. .

Check your head! Why should we surrender our seas to China because the US is bad? Why has one thing to do with another? You can give me your house, your money, your property, your gf to me when I have them I can protect it against robbery.
Win win.

 

[Leishangthem]

Check your head! Why should we surrender our seas to China because the US is bad? Why has one thing to do with another? You can give me your house, your money, your property to me when I have them I can protect it against robbery.

Overexerted its position more than "our seas" ,if we follow traditional policy of who has the longest stick gets the cow,china would get everything.

Y'all talk about naval threat while literally getting coup-ed at one's own home,and sovereignty hijacked. China threat & "white men is better " just because they are not there abusing you at the moment ? The mental damage that Hollywood and western propaganda did is apparent.ASEAN should built basics,provide better nutrient boosting food for the mass to develop physically and mentally more than previous generation and educate themselves better,learn from Korea,Japan or China instead of West.Not shame fellow asians with thoughtless acts after whatever respect the further northern counterparts has brought.