Three Different Radars Recorded The SU-30 Kill

[Aadi_1591]

Really, then what does image prove...

...and yet all our F-16's are accounted for according to Lockheed Martin/Pentagon/DoD.

The only doubt raised has been by Times of India who have no clearance to the Pentagon.

JUST LOOK AT THE GRIM ON THEIR FACES ANYBODY CAN TELL WHAT HAPPENED TO IAF ON 27TH

 

[SecularNationalist]

The reason the IAF Mirage pilots gave to disengage was due to a mysterious malfunction on their radars and that too of both Mirage 2000

No mystery here. Mirage 2000 radars were jammed by PAF Awacs. As a result they were not able to launch their MICA missiles because they depend on radar to work.
That was one excellent presentation of electronic warfare by PAF.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

No mystery here. Mirage 2000 radars were jammed by PAF Awacs. As a result they were not able to launch their MICA missiles because they depend on radar to work.
That was one excellent presentation of electronic warfare by PAF.

AWACS or DA 20? I think in PAF Calendar it was mentioned that Thunders jammed Mirage 2000s' radar.

 

[SecularNationalist]

AWACS or DA 20? I think in PAF Calendar it was mentioned that Thunders jammed Mirage 2000s' radar.

Swedish Ereye AWAC.

 

[dbc]

No mystery here. Mirage 2000 radars were jammed by PAF Awacs. As a result they were not able to launch their MICA missiles because they depend on radar to work.
That was one excellent presentation of electronic warfare by PAF.

So MICA was useless? @BON PLAN sacré bleu!

 

[BON PLAN]

So MICA was useless? @BON PLAN sacré bleu!

1) No MICA was fired, so impossible even for a small brain like you to say it is useless.
2) There are 2 kinds of MICA : a RF seeker one and a IR seeker one. India has ordered the two. The IR one can be used without any radar, just relying (even on search mode) on its seeker that is very sensible.
3) As Pak said a Su30 was shoot down and India said no, we can consider all that as BULL SHIT (In the contrary, was the **** F16 really shooted down ? ).

 

[SecularNationalist]

1) No MICA was fired, so impossible even for a small brain like you to say it is useless.
2) There are 2 kinds of MICA : a RF seeker one and a IR seeker one. India has ordered the two. The IR one can be used without any radar, just relying (even on search mode) on its seeker that is very sensible.
3) As Pak said a Su30 was shoot down and India said no, we can consider all that as BULL SHIT (In the contrary, was the **** F16 really shooted down ? ).

Then most probably IAF were using RF seeker ones on that day.
MICA missiles are not useless at all. They are good missiles,the ones operating those missiles and AWACS on 27 the February were useless. Good Training on AWACS is a key to success. Current Indian air chief accepted that IAF is not as good as PAF when it comes to AWACS integration.
PAF AWACS and AMRAMS can be useless if we have bunch of incompetent personnel operating them but fortunately that's not the case.

 

[Mighty Lion]

No mystery here. Mirage 2000 radars were jammed by PAF Awacs. As a result they were not able to launch their MICA missiles because they depend on radar to work.
That was one excellent presentation of electronic warfare by PAF.

No Mirage 2000 radars were ever jammed.
Your own Kaiser Tufail admitted Mirage 2000 radar emissions were detected.
The pilots had to bug out as it is futile to take on numerical odds of 6:1.

 

[SecularNationalist]

No Mirage 2000 radars were ever jammed.
Your own Kaiser Tufail admitted Mirage 2000 radar emissions were detected.
The pilots had to bug out as it is futile to take on numerical odds of 6:1.

Kaiser tufail is a retired from PAF for a long time,he was not remotely part of operation swift retort. His words regarding this mission are just his own thoughts not facts.
According to the ones who took part in that operation , specially the personnel who operated AWACS all communications from indian side were jammed. The indian jets were not able to listen what their ground controllers or Awacs were instructing them.
And that bug out thing is quite shameful if you think that's true. When it comes to your country,s defence you must have to fight with what you have. Scaring and running away is not an option. It's like running away from the India pakistan border and allowing Pakistan to come inside india because pakistan is invading with more soldiers. So genius,brave indians would prefer to save their lives because fighting back is not futile

 

[airomerix]

No Mirage 2000 radars were ever jammed.
Your own Kaiser Tufail admitted Mirage 2000 radar emissions were detected.
The pilots had to bug out as it is futile to take on numerical odds of 6:1.

So, they were cowards?

Have they been court-martialed yet? Ususally when defense is outnumbered, you send reinforcements.

But your guys decided to bug out. Wow. What medal did you award them for this? Bunch of more vir chakras? Are they on sale at some thayla in Delhi? ,

 

[HRK]

Kaiser tufail is a retired from PAF for a long time,he was not remotely part of operation swift retort. His words regarding this mission are just his own thoughts not facts.
According to the ones who took part in that operation , specially the personnel who operated AWACS all communications from indian side were jammed. The indian jets were not able to listen what their ground controllers or Awacs were instructing them.
And that bug out thing is quite shameful if you think that's true. When it comes to your country,s defence you must have to fight with what you have. Scaring and running away is not an option. It's like running away from the India pakistan border and allowing Pakistan to come inside india because pakistan is invading with more soldiers. So genius,brave indians would prefer to save their lives because fighting back is not futile

stop arguing with idiot troll he is dragging you to his level ....

try to understand he is posting his own created fiction as facts and arguing on these with you so you have no chance to debate on the 'reported facts' even in Indian media .... just post the indian media reports of the for this idiot if you are so determined to respond his fictions and move on .... and plz remember he is an habitual troll with his 4th or 5th ID on this forum its better to ignore this idiot

@airomerix ^^^

 

[BON PLAN]

So MICA was useless? @BON PLAN sacré bleu!

conjecture, about MICA.

For AIM9X it's a reality : https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/news/a27094/su-22-dodge-aim-9x-sidewinder/

How Did a 30-Year-Old Jet Dodge the Pentagon's Latest Missile?

So, they were cowards?

Have they been court-martialed yet? Ususally when defense is outnumbered, you send reinforcements.

But your guys decided to bug out. Wow. What medal did you award them for this? Bunch of more vir chakras? Are they on sale at some thayla in Delhi? ,

Is it better to loose a modernised M2000 but not to be a (idiot) coward pilot, or save your plane when the situation is loosed from the beginning ?

 

[PakGuns]

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Apparently there were three different types of radars which were monitoring and recording the PAF operation ''Swift Retort'' on the morning of 27th February against Indian air and ground targets. The three radars, ground-based, F-16 and AWACS work totally independently of each other. One is American radar tech (F-16), the Ground-based radar purportedly having latest upgraded German tech modules and the state-of-the-art Swedish AWACS, on all three r the SU-30s blip vanished from the radar scope after the AMRAAM made its mark. Surely all 3 radars can't be faulty at one time .That explains the reason why the other SU-30 ran for dear life and exited the arena supersonic. If the SU-30 Hassan engaged wasn't hit then why did the other SU-30 run away? And why didn't the targeted SU-30 which apparently dodged the AMRAAM resurface on the radars? That also explains why the Mirage-2000s avoided to engage as they found out on the radio about the violent end of the SU-30. The reason the IAF Mirage pilots gave to disengage was due to a mysterious malfunction on their radars and that too of both Mirage 2000...i mean what are the odds of that, seriously !! It also explains the panic that was created that caused them to shoot down their very own Mi-17.

read it out of dead... lol maybe they thought Pakistan has launched full scale air operations ..

 

[Mighty Lion]

Kaiser tufail is a retired from PAF for a long time,he was not remotely part of operation swift retort. His words regarding this mission are just his own thoughts not facts.
According to the ones who took part in that operation , specially the personnel who operated AWACS all communications from indian side were jammed. The indian jets were not able to listen what their ground controllers or Awacs were instructing them.
And that bug out thing is quite shameful if you think that's true. When it comes to your country,s defence you must have to fight with what you have. Scaring and running away is not an option. It's like running away from the India pakistan border and allowing Pakistan to come inside india because pakistan is invading with more soldiers. So genius,brave indians would prefer to save their lives because fighting back is not futile

Completely wrong
Except MiG-21 no IAF jets faced comms issue.
Our Phalcons, Su30s come with NPP Polyot secure radiosets, whereas AEW&CS got south African SDRs. M2K-I also had new secure radios. Bisons had INCOM but its encrypted modes don't work so were unsecure.

So, they were cowards?

Have they been court-martialed yet? Ususally when defense is outnumbered, you send reinforcements.

But your guys decided to bug out. Wow. What medal did you award them for this? Bunch of more vir chakras? Are they on sale at some thayla in Delhi? ,

IAF SOPs and ROEs strictly mention not to engage if enemy has numerical superiority of more than 4:1.
Of course reinforcements were sent from bases in Punjab and Haryana and even Rajasthan but they obviously took some time to reach (flying time) hence by the time they reached skirmish was over.

 

[diligence]

1) No MICA was fired, so impossible even for a small brain like you to say it is useless.
2) There are 2 kinds of MICA : a RF seeker one and a IR seeker one. India has ordered the two. The IR one can be used without any radar, just relying (even on search mode) on its seeker that is very sensible.
3) As Pak said a Su30 was shoot down and India said no, we can consider all that as BULL SHIT (In the contrary, was the **** F16 really shooted down ? ).

What the heck is that called if not saying 'MICA being useless'? Why a retard French doesn't get it that not being able to use a thing is called the thing is useless? MICA might be a good missile but that good missile was rendered useful by the PAF using whatever the means.

conjecture, about MICA.

For AIM9X it's a reality : https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/news/a27094/su-22-dodge-aim-9x-sidewinder/

How Did a 30-Year-Old Jet Dodge the Pentagon's Latest Missile?


Is it better to loose a modernised M2000 but not to be a (idiot) coward pilot, or save your plane when the situation is loosed from the beginning ?

First of all, congratulations. You are inventing your own version of English. [...to loose a modernised...][...situation is loosed from...] You're a French, so I understand that.
Save for what? Just to be ashamed later or for getting an Indian gallantry award for leaving the front unattended?