Threat to destroy Indian N-plant stopped attack on Kahuta

[ramu]

Indeed there is room for improvement as Kargil coffin corruption scandal ran a figure of several thousand dead, and as for discussing the sensitive issue, ironically the officer didn't disclose the fact that at least one strategic peak remains occupied by the Pakistan forces.

Ya room for improvement is good... Coffin corruption scandal... do you know what came out of it ? Nothing substantial but bad media image for sure.

Talking on room for improvement.

In 1965, Pakistan had a mission, did they meet the mission objectives? No.

Dare I mention Indian objectives in 1971.

In 1999, Pakistan had different mission objectives. Did they meet those objectives ? No.

 

[Windjammer]

Now that I have addressed your Kargil victory concerns, let me answer the rest.



On one hand you talk of the propaganda mechanism and on the other you talk about things that does not meet the eye. It is Indians who have played devils advocate and it is reported by the same propaganda mechanism by Indian media. It is interesting to see that you have totally scuttled the argument and raising concerns in new sectors without acknowledging the end of the previous argument.

Come on buddy, are you buying all this just like the sensible implications applied earlier. It may seem digressing but we are well aware of the role the media you are trying to champion, played even in a social issue like the marriage of Indian Pakistan sport stars.
Anyways, as for the topic, i had already posted the surrounding events earlier, however since you have decided to solicit for your country fellow, it's rendered out of equation.

 

[ramu]

Come on buddy, are you buying all this just like the sensible implications applied earlier. It may seem digressing but we are well aware of the role the media you are trying to champion, played even in a social issue like the marriage of Indian Pakistan sport stars.
Anyways, as for the topic, i had already posted the surrounding events earlier, however since you have decided to solicit for your country fellow, it's rendered out of equation.

Ahh Shoib & Sania... Shoid, who could not stand up to his prior commitment and could not even acknowledge that he had married to someone. And thought Hyderabad was marriage destination ... to fly in marry and fly out.

Anyway, a person who lied in public glare and then had to divorce, least I say, it is just too complicated an issue to judge Indian media from that episode.

Don't digress please.

 

[Windjammer]

Ya room for improvement is good... Coffin corruption scandal... do you know what came out of it ? Nothing substantial but bad media image for sure.

I think your defense minister also resigned, was that on moral grounds.

Talking on room for improvement.

In 1965, Pakistan had a mission, did they meet the mission objectives? No.

You knowledge seems something out of place, since it was your Army chief who sent out advance victory celebrations to his set up only to be left bone dry.

Dare I mention Indian objectives in 1971.

Any thoughts on who still ends up with a bloody nose after the conspiracy.
DISTURBED BORDER

In 1999, Pakistan had different mission objectives. Did they meet those objectives ? No.

Let's put it this way, it wasn't at least India which obstructed in gaining those objectives. As some US Generals put it, it was a brilliant plan, magnificently executed.

 

[Windjammer]

Ahh Shoib & Sania... Shoid, who could not stand up to his prior commitment and could not even acknowledge that he had married to someone. And thought Hyderabad was marriage destination ... to fly in marry and fly out.

Anyway, a person who lied in public glare and then had to divorce, least I say, it is just too complicated an issue to judge Indian media from that episode.

Don't digress please.

I would say that if anything it was for the authorities to act on and not the frivolous media to portray as if Taj Mahal was being shifted to Pakistan.

 

[ramu]

I would say that if anything it was for the authorities to act on and not the frivolous media to portray as if Taj Mahal was being shifted to Pakistan.

Let us not draw lessons from each others media mishaps. We have good journalism and some unfortunate indulgence like the over blown Sania episode. It is unfortunate that bird brains use a wide brush to paint the town red.

 

[ramu]

I think your defense minister also resigned, was that on moral grounds.
You knowledge seems something out of place, since it was your Army chief who sent out advance victory celebrations to his set up only to be left bone dry.
Any thoughts on who still ends up with a bloody nose after the conspiracy.
DISTURBED BORDER


Let's put it this way, it wasn't at least India which obstructed in gaining those objectives. As some US Generals put it, it was a brilliant plan, magnificently executed.

Resignation : Moral grounds... All credit to him.

Ya Indians have the habit of congratulating themselves a decade before anything happens on the ground. Example Arjun or LCA. But end of the day, the mission objectives of Pak was not met. Period.

Bangladesh and the Hindu article. You seriously think we are bothered by Bangladesh? It is just an other thing we can do better with and Hasina and PM Manmohan Singh together are doing a fine job.

Kargil: yes well executed but results on ground. Zero. India lost few soldiers. Pakistan looked to get away from recognising army regulars but later collected body bags.

Whoever is responsible for Pakistan to lose face in international world, the end result is zilch. All the bravado of your soldiers has changed nothing to add positive spin to status quo with ofcourse 1971 that created a new country.

 

[PakSher]

For the Pakistani view:

Lets see the Indian General's view on Kargil and who won?

Not convinced we won Kargil: Lt Gen Kishan Pal to NDTV

 

[vandemataram]

Despite India is growing ....it will be eventually be conquered once again by Muslims. Read predictions. Please repeat some Gujrat type incidents...will make it easy for us. We have ruled 700 years..... next episode is coming.....

Apaprt from hosting congregations and talkshows and others ZM is also capable of selling to the Paksitani mass some strong horse $ h i t

 

[PakSher]

The scope of the article, did India have the guts to attack Pakistani nuclear installations, Yes or NO, based on history, India big Army, big Air Force and all of it big economy, India never dare to cross the line.

If India did not cross the line in the 80s when we did test the nuclear and ballistic missile, India will never have the guts to do it ever again. It lost it chance and with PAF transitioning into a modern air force and the arsenal Pakistan has as compared to 1982 is far more advanced and superior both in quality and quantity.

Pakistani armed forces did gain practical fighting experience in the 80s fighting covertly against the USSR, Operation Destert Shield, Operation Desert Storm, Kargil War, Bosnia and now the WOT. We have armed forces that have actually done combat around the world. India has armed forces that only have Kargil on their resume and most training in their school with very little or no combat experience at all.

Match action with your words otherwise continue to eat those veggie burgers.

 

[vandemataram]

how kashmir is indian part they dnt even have looks like u majority of ppl in kashmir are muslims

lo sajjanon..

inhen dekhiye, in log ki tadat kitni badi hai bahisaab?

Muslims look different from others (sic Hindus) Christians etc..
They are from the martial races
They have fairer skin
Women are all beautiful...


Bhaiya yeh sab lapet te lapet te barson bit gaye...

 

[PakSher]

Resignation : Moral grounds... All credit to him.

Ya Indians have the habit of congratulating themselves a decade before anything happens on the ground. Example Arjun or LCA. But end of the day, the mission objectives of Pak was not met. Period.

Bangladesh and the Hindu article. You seriously think we are bothered by Bangladesh? It is just an other thing we can do better with and Hasina and PM Manmohan Singh together are doing a fine job.

Kargil: yes well executed but results on ground. Zero. India lost few soldiers. Pakistan looked to get away from recognising army regulars but later collected body bags.

Whoever is responsible for Pakistan to lose face in international world, the end result is zilch. All the bravado of your soldiers has changed nothing to add positive spin to status quo with ofcourse 1971 that created a new country.

Actually India had to import body bags because they ran out. 1971 we lost the war and we do not deny it like India does for 1948 and 1965 even after loosing 23% of Kashmir.

1971 India did not win militarily. It did by setting up 38 Muqti Bani terrorist training camps, just like it did for training LTTE terrorists in Sri Lanka. India still did not have the guts to come into to East Paksitan. Regarding Bangladesh they killed their founder Mujib and quickly learned that India cannot be trusted, that is why they come to Pakistan to buy weapons not India. So in the long term India is still not trustworthy for them. India did invest close to $7 billion in 20 years years to train, equip and fund Muqti Bani but it turned out to be a short term investment, no return yet $$$.

 

[Windjammer]

Resignation : Moral grounds... All credit to him.

If he indeed wasn't guilty, the guy should have stood his ground.

Ya Indians have the habit of congratulating themselves a decade before anything happens on the ground. Example Arjun or LCA. But end of the day, the mission objectives of Pak was not met. Period.

You seem to be missing the point, India attacked across the International border even without having the formality to declare the war.

Bangladesh and the Hindu article. You seriously think we are bothered by Bangladesh? It is just an other thing we can do better with and Hasina and PM Manmohan Singh together are doing a fine job.

And Sri Lanka, and Nepal and Pakistan.... list is indeed depressing.

Kargil: yes well executed but results on ground. Zero. India lost few soldiers. Pakistan looked to get away from recognising army regulars but later collected body bags.

You need to study the Indian officer's disclosure without the bravado of progressive media and an open mind.

Whoever is responsible for Pakistan to lose face in international world, the end result is zilch. All the bravado of your soldiers has changed nothing to add positive spin to status quo with ofcourse 1971 that created a new country.

Now let's see, major non NATO ally, front line state against WOT, all American arms and equipment flowing much to India's dismay and disappointment. BTW, some times after Kargil, the 2002 , year long million man stand off also resulted in some 500 Indian casualties without a shot fired in anger and the Indian forces eventually conducting a soul destroying withdrawal. Testimony to the caliber of Pakistan soldiers and their resolve.