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Thousands of Christians Pray for Democracy in China

Those Hong Kong Christians should stay away from politics,don't be used by the anti-China(not only CCP, they want to destroy the Chinese culture and make Chinese completely westernized) Vatican。
 
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Not only Christians, all the Chinese should pray fro Democracy in China IMO, else I'll have to pray.:what::angel:
Good Initiative by the Hong Kongers.:D
 
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I don't know about elsewhere, but most Christians in Hong Kong have one big problem, they seem to think whatever they believe are right and are the final truth. They are very stubborn on their views and refuse to accept or even consider other views. They also view other religions are inferior to theirs.

it is written in their holy book that their god is one and only the almighty and any other belief is heresy, cult or worshipping idols.
I wonder why the usa, uk .. are taking a softer stance towards india than other non christian and aetheist countries!

The political evolutions in China should change on a gradual pace according to the situations. It should adopt good policies of some countries and avoid at all cost following the worst examples of countries like india!

Those Hong Kong Christians should stay away from politics,don't be used by the anti-China(not only CCP, they want to destroy the Chinese culture and make Chinese completely westernized) Vatican。

they should apply for immigration to india!
 
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Those Hong Kong Christians should stay away from politics,don't be used by the anti-China(not only CCP, they want to destroy the Chinese culture and make Chinese completely westernized) Vatican。

gangbazi were never politic to begin with - it is their antipathy towards politics that foreign, subversive political forces are now trying to exploit for their own political gains.

it is power - the endless pursuit of power and subsequent exercise of it that ennobles a person. the way for gangbazi to be politic and thus patriotic is to impose politics on them - to start recruitment for CCP in hong kong, to force them to realize that the fate of hong kong lies not in some local councils but in the will and resolutions made at the highest level of national government and legislature, to make them pay for PLA garrisons in hong kong, to cajole the gangbazi to partake of the national political process. then gangbazi can lose the ignominous moniker of gangbazi and be dignified chinese.

a person who fears power, resents power, calumniate power isn't a good citizen or a good man and certainly doesn't make a good chinese.
 
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Countries like China, Vietnam and many Asian nations never had the western form of democracy and their respective governments and people are not familiar with the inner operations of such societies, so sudden changes of ruling styles can turn a country into chaos and become anarchistic. The social turmoils it creates can only bring the total collapse of the society and inadvertently the military or another form of totalitarianism would take over in which, more often than not, the country turn for the worst.

In recent decades there were many outcomes that point toward that trend because of American meddling.

China, perhaps other Asian countries too, should not follow the western form of democracy per se, but rather stay and support the present form of government and let her social changes, with the aids of modern knowledge and communications, evolve to her form of government that fits her people. No one can ever say one form of government is better than the others but rather which one fit the best.
 
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Its good to see some Chinese show their real hatred for Christians. All they did was just prayed for something they think is better.

This is what happens when you have a higher deeper friendship with religious bigots. You just lose respect for other religions!
 
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Not only Christians, all the Chinese should pray fro Democracy in China IMO.
Good Initiative by the Hong Kongers.:D

we didn't need your "democracy", when a government does a good job we do not change, despite some disadvantage.

Given the huge positive change in China and I don't know why we should change, people who want live in a democracy for XXX reason leave China.

otherwise it's sadism and go to an uncertain future sorry we are not like you or stupid european say yes maastricht Treaty ( while not even read the same contained ).

No matter what the political system as long as the government is doing a good job.
 
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hi,
real bible-based christians dont assault other people.
that is not taught in the bible.

u have misconceptions about the bible christianity led by the misbehaviour of so-called christians.
 
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I would say to them look at India that has "democracy". I think it is the grass is greener on the other side effect.

Your india obsession is serious.

India is not an example of an evolved successful democracy, we are a young nation and we have challenges and big ones given the huge and extremely diverse population and the thousands year old attitudes and a serious shortage of resources. We have a long way to go. Almost the entire west and japan would be very good examples of successful democracies.

China has made great strides and we in India admire it, there are many things in China that inspire us and also lead to a healthy motivation. But we also have our own achievements compared to Pakistan that was freed the same time India did and we thank our democracy for that. You don't see anything good about India because you are properly ''conditioned''.

You should be Superkaif's brother, not Hafizz's, who incidentally is permanently banned.
 
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As a Catholic, I think Cardinal Zen and the HK archdiocese are misguided. Jesus never condoned any particular form of earthly government. Rather Jesus spoke for the oppressed, down-trodden and outcast. Don't confuse "democracy" in the broad sense of "government for the people" with the narrow and decrepit definition that "democracy is what Western neo-imperialist countries arbitrarily decide it to be."


Vatican sides with anti-capitalist protesters and attacks global financial system - Telegraph

Vatican sides with anti-capitalist protesters and attacks global financial system

The Vatican aligned itself with anti-capitalism protesters around the world on Monday when it condemned "the idolatry of the market" and called for a radical shake-up of the global financial system.

By demanding that the worst excesses of global capitalism be reined in, the Holy See echoed the message of protesters encamped outside St Paul's Cathedral in London, the indignados of Spain and the Occupy Wall Street movement in the US.

In a forthright statement, the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace called for an end to rampant speculation, the redistribution of wealth, greater ethics and the establishment of a "central world bank" to which national banks would have to cede power.

Such an authority would have "universal jurisdiction" over governments' economic strategies.

Existing financial situations such as the World Bank and International Monetary Fund were outdated and no longer able to deal with the scale of the global financial crisis, which had exposed "selfishness, greed and the hoarding of goods on a grand scale".

The global financial system was riddled with injustice and failure to address that would lead to "growing hostility and even violence", which would undermine democracy.

Wealthy countries should not be allowed to wield "excessive power" over poorer nations, the Vatican said. (SinoChallenger: Ergo, DF-31A is doing the work of God in mysterious ways)

Cardinal Peter Turkson, the head of the pontifical council, said banks needed to question whether they were "serving the interests of humanity" in the way they operated.

The proposal was short on specific detail, beyond calling for a new tax on international financial transactions.

The Vatican hardly has an exemplary record on financial transparency and propriety.

Last year the Vatican Bank, known officially as the Institute for Religious Works, had €23m (£20m) of its assets frozen by Italian authorities as part of an investigation into suspected money-laundering.

After years of resisting calls for greater openness, the scandal forced the bank to adopt international norms on transparency.

The Holy See's murky financial past has included, most notoriously, its involvement in the bankruptcy of Italy's biggest private bank, the Banco Ambrosiano, in the early 1980s.

Its president, Roberto Calvi, who was nicknamed "God's Banker", was found hanged beneath Blackfriars Bridge, with investigators unable to rule whether he had committed suicide or had been murdered.

Thomas J Reese, a Vatican analyst at Georgetown University in the US, said the "radical" proposals put forward on Monday aligned the Holy See with the Occupy Wall Street movement and meant that the Vatican's views on the economic crisis were "to the Left of every politician in the United States".

He said the proposals reflected many of the encyclicals and addresses issued by Benedict XVI on the global economy during the last six years of his papacy.



Catholic social teaching on capitalism

The social doctrine of the Church stands above existing economic systems, since it confines itself to the level of principles. An economic system is good only to the extent that it applies the principles of justice taught by the Church. As Pope John Paul II wrote in 1987, in his encyclical letter Sollicitudo Rei Socialis: "The tension between East and West is an opposition... between two concepts of the development of individuals and peoples, both concepts being imperfect and in need of radical correction... This is one of the reasons why the Church’s social doctrine adopts a critical attitude towards both liberal capitalism and Marxist collectivism."

We may understand why the Church condemns Communism or Marxist collectivism which, as Pope Pius XI wrote, is "intrinsically evil" and anti-Christian, with its avowed goal being the complete destruction of private property, family and religion. But why would the Church condemn capitalism?

In his encyclical letter Centesimus Annus (n. 34), John Paul II recognizes the merits of free enterprise, private initiative and profit: "It would appear that, on the level of individual nations and of international relations, the free market is the most efficient instrument for utilizing resources and effectively responding to needs. But this is true only for those needs which are ‘solvent’, insofar as they are endowed with purchasing power, and for those resources which are ‘marketable’, insofar as they are capable of obtaining a satisfactory price. But there are many human needs which find no place on the market. It is a strict duty of justice and truth not to allow fundamental human needs to remain unsatisfied and not to allow those burdened by such needs to perish."

A little further in the same encyclical (n. 42), the Pope explains what is acceptable and what is not, in capitalism:

"Returning now to the initial question: can it perhaps be said that, after the failure of Communism, capitalism is the victorious social system and that capitalism should be the goal of the countries now making efforts to rebuild their economy and society? Is this the model which ought to be proposed to the countries of the Third World which are searching for the path to true economic and civil progress?

"The answer is obviously complex. If by ‘capitalism’ is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a "business economy", "market economy" or simply "free economy". But if by "capitalism" is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality, and which sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative."

Even if Marxism has collapsed, this does not mean the triumph of capitalism. Even after the fall of Communism there are still millions of poor people and situations of injustice in the world:

"The Marxist solution has failed, but the realities of marginalization and exploitation remain in the world, especially the Third World, as does the reality of human alienation, especially in the more advanced countries. Against these phenomena the Church strongly raises her voice. Vast multitudes are still living in conditions of great material and moral poverty. The collapse of the Communist system in so many countries certainly removes an obstacle to facing these problems in an appropriate and realistic way, but it is not enough to bring about their solution. Indeed, there is a risk that a radical capitalistic ideology could spread which refuses even to consider these problems, in the a priori belief that any attempt to solve them is doomed to failure and which blindly entrusts their solution to the free development of market forces." (Centesimus Annus, 42.) :usflag:

The fault that the Church finds with present capitalism is thus neither private property nor free enterprise. Far from wishing the disappearance of private property, the Church rather wishes its widespread availability so that all may become real owners of capital and be real "capitalists":

http://www.michaeljournal.org/capitalism.htm
 
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hi,
real bible-based christians dont assault other people.
that is not taught in the bible.

u have misconceptions about the bible christianity led by the misbehaviour of so-called christians.
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The bible true? the original? Old Testament? because the Old Testament is a terrible violence, intolérent and anti pagan / atheist or others religions.

I am an atheist ( tradition buddhist + Chinese folk religion by my family ) and you know what? I was attracted to Christianity why?

Well in truth I'll tell you the truth though because my reason is pathetic.

- Beauty cathedrals / churches inside and out (the strength we feel when we enter)
- The ritual / ceremony.
- The priest clothing
- The symbol (Cross , we can see on churches and individuals)
- Influenced by my friend , ... (yeah be Christians it's to be fashion, it's so normal we can see many pub cause Japan , South Korea , American ....).
- ....

Most of you I am convinced, you have had the same feeling or one of what I just mentioned or maybe I'm wrong!
But I know that some hide on a facade hypocrisy to not say the truth.

Because old testament is violent .

+ same if people use new testament you can look South Korea , Phillipine or american , .... it's just pathetic and I know maybe why he is violent .


Sorry , but me personally , I refuse because it has no connection with us, are coming into China is brutal (see unequal treaty), view the danger it entails, or by religionists, used by other countries for reason politique , out of respect for the legacy of our ancestors and our identity and the fear of no longer feel at home in China (I feel less at home today ).

I prefer a country conservatism ( Yes we can look a big Westernisation in China architecture, either by culture (religion) ,it's worse than Japan or South Korea during their development, I would say it's even downright alarming )
 
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Christianity is a mental prison. If you have any doubts, just look at the behavior of "Christian" nations. Do they do as they preach? You love them, do they love you?
 
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Christianity is a mental prison. If you have any doubts, just look at the behavior of "Christian" nations. Do they do as they preach? You love them, do they love you?

Look at your Own Christian Chinese like Sinochallenger:

Accrediting DF-31A to Jesus. :lol:

SinoChallenger: Ergo, DF-31A is doing the work of God in mysterious ways
 
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If China ever becomes a democracy, within one generation, they will overtake my country as the world's most powerful 'super-power'. One billion+ Chinese, free to believe, speak, work, own, pray, vote, invent, prosper, as they wish, electing their own government and insisting that it be transparent, democratic, and accountable to them....well, that will be unstoppable, and this American Christian, prays for that day to come soon.
 
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